Charlottesville
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Where are these gangs of roving nazis that are going door to door and beating the shit out of people and killing them?
Why would you even ask the question if you don't support them?
If you don't CONDEMN them, then you are FOR them.
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Quote:Really? Do you really think this??? I sure hope not.
I think if someone claims to be a neo-Nazi or a White Supremacist they have admitted guilt already simply based on what they stand for. - GSTRING
I can think of a million ways that this can go wrong. First of all, "standing for something" is NOT A CRIME. It's called free speech. If I were to say "I think the USA should be all white, and we should kick out all of the colored people" that's NOT A CRIME.
Now, it starts veering into criminal behavior when someone makes terrorist threats ("I'm going to kill all of you", in CA that would be called "assault") or incitement to violence ("String 'em up!") although that varies from state to state. It REALLY becomes a crime when you put words into actions. In any case, you need EVIDENCE before you can convict someone.
Applying your logic, tho, I would say that anyone showing up with a hoodie and mask is clearly intent on committing criminal behavior. Right?
Quote:With all of the cellphone videos out there, it becomes a lot easier to determine "who did what". In a melee, it's important to see who started it because other people's actions could be self-defensive. Sometimes you can't tell, but in the video where an Antifa person maced a girls in the face as she was being interviewed it was very clear who the aggressor was.
The question is how do you prove who is guilty in a mob action?
And what about REAVERFAN, who wants to "eradicate" a group of people "by the any means possible"? Isn't HE admitting guilt. simply by what he claims to stand for?
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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*
And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
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Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Where are these gangs of roving nazis that are going door to door and beating the shit out of people and killing them?
Why would you even ask the question if you don't support them?
If you don't CONDEMN them, then you are FOR them.
You can't defend or condemn what doesn't actually exist. You've obviously got the free time to go chasing after phantoms.
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Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Where are these gangs of roving nazis that are going door to door and beating the shit out of people and killing them?
Some in Europe.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/merkel-condemns-rash-of-neo-nazi-
attacks/2015/08/26/8b485a28-bf16-4391-8214-597ec626d815_story.html?utm_term=.68877d8a8416
http://www.timesofisrael.com/suspected-neo-nazi-gangs-attack-migrants-
in-sweden/
http://www.cufi.org.uk/news/uk-neo-nazis-attack-jewish-monument-in-bir
mingham-park/
http://us.tomonews.com/a-suspected-neo-nazi-attack-on-an-asian-man-in-
barcelona-s-subway-is-causing-outrage-2918373
Here, they are mostly cowards that resort to burning crosses (we still DO have that every now and then) and spray painting nasty things on garages and cars (not going to post the hundreds of them). But we have them..
https://psmag.com/news/cross-burning-is-more-common-than-you-think-727
81
http://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/local/2017/04/24/montana-c
ommunity-comes-together-neo-nazi-troll-attack/100871400/
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/us/charlottesville-nazi-kkk-attacks
.html
Sounds like sick people committing crimes of varying degrees.
By all means give everybody their fair trial and dish out punishments to any of them.
That goes for these supposed Nazis as well as antifa or anybody else that commits crime.
I don't see what the big deal is here. Why all of this identity politics.
A crime is a crime is a crime......
And by the way... if somebody wants to burn a cross on their front lawn and they aren't part of a homeowners association and there's no laws against doing it, then they're free to do it.
It's a stupid, racist thing to do. They're ruining their own lawn and they're likely to get bricks thrown thru their windows and get a lot otherwise unwanted attention, but that is their right if it's not against the law in their area.
If their neighbors don't like it, change the laws.
I'd sure be going to a town hall meeting if my next door neighbor enjoyed burning crosses on his lawn every night. I don't need any of that shit.
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First things first - when I say "fascism", I'm referring to anyone who has a reactionary political philosophy. People like MRAs, the "Alt-Right", monarchists, the KKK, as well as legit fascists and neo-nazis. Not everyone in that list necessarily wants to implement a fascist-style government like the Third Reich, but each one shares a common belief that is central to their respective ideologies. That belief is essentially:
All humans are very different, and some people are inferior and others are superior.
Therefore, superior people are meant to rule, and inferior people are meant to serve them.
It is natural for superior people to gain power by force.
And everything works better when people know their "natural place" in the hierarchy.
And you'll see this after a passing glance with each of the ideologies listed. The KKK wants to reinstate slavery, MRAs want to make women subservient to men and legalize rape, monarchists want a king and aristocracy to rule over peasants, etc. Same shit, different label. To them, inequality is natural and even desired and the domination of the "low-borns" by the "high-borns" is ideal. Or to put it simply, strength and power are the only thing that matter.
As such, fascism tends to be an ideology espoused by people who are from oppressor-groups. Generally middle to upper class white men, but usually white bourgeoisie. It has appeal to lower class people, but for a different reason:
The fascist leader and the fascist follower are two completely different kinds of people.
The follower is the kind of person who unerringly believes that power and authority serve justice by definition, that the world is dangerous, that outsiders are to be feared, that the world has gotten worse since some (imagined) golden age, and that there are certain traditions that are utterly sacred.
The leader holds these people in contempt, sees their willingness to believe in him as weakness, sees his own willingness to pursue power as strength, and so thinks of his own followers as somewhat stupid. He may or may not believe a word of what he says, but he doesn’t care about truth anyway as long as the narrative serves him.
The administration of the fascist is full of people who have the traits of both groups. (source)
Generally, the fascist follower is a fascist because they expect someone to be lower than them (women, people of color, etc.).
Moving on - the reason why I opened with the breakdown of fascist ideology is because the emphasis on power and domination is vital. As I've said before, fascists do not care about truth, only power. If you look at fascist propaganda or try to debate fascists, you will realize this almost immediately (assuming they don't succed in manipulating you. Take this blog post for example. The post is an overview of how fascists can manipulate liberals into becoming fascists themselves. Here's a choice quote:
Neoreaction is the first known memeplex that effectively attacks the very heart of Progressivism, bypassing its otherwise impenetrable adapted defenses, worming its way into the executive routines, and shredding it’s internal rules-based order. The Progressive may not turn to the dark side, but he will forever be damaged.
Essentially, if you can't manipulate a liberal towards fascism, at least you can permanently break them into submission! And this is the key, the point of fascism is to reify social hierarchy. For people at the top, it is important that the people at the bottom submit to this hierarchy. And that necessarily involves deception and manipulation.
The thing is, for "free and open debate" to occur, your debate partner has to be arguing in good faith. Meaning, they have to be honest about their position and not trying to fuck with you. That's why that Sartre quote is so vital. Reactionaries aren't trying to make a solid argument. They're trying to intimidate. This is why MRAs harass and abuse feminists on Twitter, instead of engaging in reasoned debate. It's t
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Majority of fatal attacks on U.S. soil carried out by white supremacists, not terrorists
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/24/majority-of-fatal-atta
cks-on-us-soil-carried-out-b/
The title is misleading. White supremacists ARE terrorists.
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Majority of fatal attacks on U.S. soil carried out by white supremacists, not terrorists
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/24/majority-of-fatal-atta
cks-on-us-soil-carried-out-b/
The title is misleading. White supremacists ARE terrorists.
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Quote:Many times I conjure you are just pretending to be this dense.
Originally posted by G:Quote:"Applying your logic, tho, I would say that anyone showing up with a hoodie and mask is clearly intent on committing criminal behavior. Right?"
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Really? Do you really think this??? I sure hope not.
I think if someone claims to be a neo-Nazi or a White Supremacist they have admitted guilt already simply based on what they stand for.
I can think of a million ways that this can go wrong. First of all, "standing for something" is NOT A CRIME. It's called free speech. If I were to say "I think the USA should be all white, and we should kick out all of the colored people" that's NOT A CRIME.
Now, it starts veering into criminal behavior when someone makes terrorist threats ("I'm going to kill all of you", in CA that would be called "assault") or incitement to violence ("String 'em up!") although that varies from state to state. It REALLY becomes a crime when you put words into actions. In any case, you need EVIDENCE before you can convict someone.
Applying your logic, tho, I would say that anyone showing up with a hoodie and mask is clearly intent on committing criminal behavior. Right?
Huh? WTF?? How??????????
So typically full of shit and bogus assumptions - enjoy the eclipse
This is a good example.
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What is MRA?
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Men's Rights Activist.
Not fascist. Just sick of the left-wing, SJW, feminist bullshit.
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And BTW... it's not my job to condemn any attacks done by anybody. I'm not part of a sick ideology like Islam. I'm part of no group. I'm not taking part in any activities that are hurting anybody.
I'm not going to be told that because I'm white I have to condemn any belief. THAT is fucking racist for anybody to assume that I should have to.
I already said that anybody committing a crime should be punished for it. I don't know what more you SJW twats want from me, but that's all you're going to get.
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