'Transgender'...Looking at National Geographic Magazine....
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Quote:Except since that's not what's happening here, the person who is spewing deep-seated hate seems to be you. Yanno, like this:
It's pathetic watching the usual reichwingers here looking desperately for someone or something on which to spew their deep seated hate.
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Why don't you pack up your hatred and fuck off?
See? THAT'S deep-seated hate!
Now, if you want a refresher as to what I've been saying: I don't think it's a good idea to have children undergo irreversible surgery for something that may be a psychological issue. I heard (on NPR) that roughly half of the kids who identify with the other gender at some point in their young lives will change their minds again at puberty. I'll see if I can find that study.
Also, since people are literally dying for lack of medical care, I'm not sure insurance dollars should be spent to treat gender dysphoria. I really don't have any personal animus against the transgendered. I DO have an issue with self-righteous liberals.
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
"If you aren't aware, Texans don't have much concern for the well-being of Yankees or Californians, even Yankee factory workers in Indiana "- SECOND
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Meh- gender is pretty much about socialisation. I predict the day will come when we look at how we currently label people and expect certain behaviours from them based upon their genetalia and we'll consider it nothing short of ludicrous. If there wasn't so much gender labelling then there'd be less need for medical intervention. A thought anyway.
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Quote:Have you ever been to Greece? What is left of Spartans’ culture? Nothing. Who now lives like Spartans? No one. Spartans were a blight on the Earth. The annihilation of their culture by the centuries was an advancement for humanity.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I've heard of similar studies of dying cultures which tend to have "outbreaks" of hyper-focus on sex and food and entertainment. Maybe societies which focuses on the lowest common denominator- bread and circuses - are already circling the drain?Quote:You're assuming that societies need to focus on the welfare of each individual in order to survive, but that's not true. Look at Sparta - "one bad break" could mean not surviving your first day as a newborn out in the cold. http://www.historywiz.com/didyouknow/spartanfamily.htm Now, one could say that the Spartan society didn't survive, but then again, in the long run, neither did the Athenian society. Modern Taliban society survives by using women as baby-factories. So there are a lot of societies which survive well enough, although they're societies that we probably wouldn't want to live in.
Instead, try the one-bad-break test. The test tells a lot about a society by what happens when its economically vulnerable members encounter a majorly bad break.- In societies that function well, there are various safety nets in place to prevent a bad break from leading to a tailspin for particularly vulnerable victims.
The ancient Athenian culture is all around you when in modern Athens. The living Greeks are proud of their history going back to when the Parthenon was new. Of Sparta? Not so proud. The Roman Empire admired the Athenians and copied them. The historians, philosophers and playwrights of ancient Athens and their books and plays are still discussed. Athenian culture survived. Sparta is dead.
Men’s and women’s clothing are utterly different in the USA while ancient Greek men and women typically wore two pieces of clothing draped about the body: an undergarment (chiton or peplos) and a cloak (himation or chlamys). Since Greek men and women were wearing approximately the same clothing and the same length hair, there would be less desire to surgically re-engineer their bodies to the opposite sex to justify a change of wardrobe and haircut to the opposite sex. Or, maybe, the ancients were not as superficial as present day Americans who have little interior depth and are mostly surface appearances.
The good-old days for the USA (when it was at the height of its Athenian glory days) were after Herbert Hoover and before Ronald Reagan. Those were the days when richest 10% had the least money, leaving more for the survival of the bottom 90%. That could be fixed with taxes, but it won’t be for at least eight more years. In the meantime, have surgery now if you can’t wait for a new President. That (and radically different clothes and hairstyle to complement your new sex assignment) will fix your life when Congress won’t. I'm only kidding.
http://angrybearblog.com/2017/01/how-do-americans-get-rich-and-stay-ri
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http://gabriel-zucman.eu/files/PSZ2016Slides.pdf
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Have you ever been to Greece? What is left of Spartans’ culture? Nothing. Who now lives like Spartans? No one. Spartans were a blight on the Earth. The annihilation of their culture by the centuries was an advancement for humanity.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I've heard of similar studies of dying cultures which tend to have "outbreaks" of hyper-focus on sex and food and entertainment. Maybe societies which focuses on the lowest common denominator- bread and circuses - are already circling the drain?Quote:You're assuming that societies need to focus on the welfare of each individual in order to survive, but that's not true. Look at Sparta - "one bad break" could mean not surviving your first day as a newborn out in the cold. http://www.historywiz.com/didyouknow/spartanfamily.htm Now, one could say that the Spartan society didn't survive, but then again, in the long run, neither did the Athenian society. Modern Taliban society survives by using women as baby-factories. So there are a lot of societies which survive well enough, although they're societies that we probably wouldn't want to live in.
Instead, try the one-bad-break test. The test tells a lot about a society by what happens when its economically vulnerable members encounter a majorly bad break.- In societies that function well, there are various safety nets in place to prevent a bad break from leading to a tailspin for particularly vulnerable victims.
The ancient Athenian culture is all around you when in modern Athens. The living Greeks are proud of their history going back to when the Parthenon was new. Of Sparta? Not so proud. The Roman Empire admired the Athenians and copied them. The historians, philosophers and playwrights of ancient Athens and their books and plays are still discussed. Athenian culture survived. Sparta is dead.
maybe your confused is all
Athenian and Spartan Women
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Quote:Yes, I see the slaves and slave-status women everywhere.
The ancient Athenian culture is all around you when in modern Athens.- SECOND
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Classical Athenian girls were not formally educated; rather, their mothers would have taught them the skills they would need to run a household. They married young, often to much older men. When they married, Athenian women had two main roles: to bear children, and to run the household. In elite families, there was an ideology of seclusion, and wealthy women would not have been permitted to socialise with unrelated men. However, in most families this ideology would have been impractical: women were needed to carry out tasks such as going to the market and drawing water, which required taking time outside the house where interactions with men were possible.
Legally, women's rights were limited. They were barred from political participation, and Athenian women were not permitted to represent themselves in law, though it seems that metic women (a metic was a resident alien; free, but without the rights and privileges of an Athenian citizen) could. They were also forbidden from conducting any economic transactions worth more than a nominal amount. However, it seems that this restriction was not always obeyed. Especially in poorer families, women would have worked to earn money, and would also have been responsible for household tasks such as cooking and washing clothes. Athenian women had limited capacity to own property, although they could have significant dowries, and could inherit.
If this culture survives anywhere, I guess it would be in the mideast: Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc.
MY POINT, SECOND (and thank you for focusing on something trivial to distract from the main issue) is that "society" can survive quite nicely on the backs and bodies of its members. The rules that govern a society's survival aren't the same rules that govern personal survival. A very warlike society which colonizes extensively, imposes its culture and language on its subjects, and still manages to crank out babies has a good chance of survival, at least for a few hundred years. It's sad, but true: Justice and fairness don't result from evolution. Fairness is a human construct, and the only ones responsible for promoting it is us.
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
"If you aren't aware, Texans don't have much concern for the well-being of Yankees or Californians, even Yankee factory workers in Indiana "- SECOND
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Quote:Hey Jayneztown! Now you're a fashion expert on Ancient Athenians? You're quoting Will Burton, whose video which praises the advantages of being a Spartan woman over Athenian woman has been seen by 1,569 in two years. I don't think Burton's opinion is widely accepted.
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
maybe your confused is all
Athenian and Spartan Women
The point I was making is that the Spartans are dead and good riddance to them, while Athenians' culture has some life in it.
The fashions that Athenian men and women wore were very similar between the sexes while USA men's fashions are very different from women's. If Athenians had the concept of transgender, it would not have been more than a day's work to swap genders as far as Athenian male fashion. Shave off the beard, comb your hair different and put on a belt to accentuate your waist. For Athenians no plastic surgery was necessary nor years of indecision, slow drift, and general confusion like in the case of Caitlyn Jenner:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caitlyn_Jenner#Coming_out_as_a_transgend
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MY POINT, SECOND (and thank you for focusing on something trivial to distract from the main issue) is that "society" can survive quite nicely on the backs and bodies of its members. The rules that govern a society's survival aren't the same rules that govern personal survival. A very warlike society which colonizes extensively, imposes its culture and language on its subjects, and still manages to crank out babies has a good chance of survival, at least for a few hundred years. It's sad, but true: Justice and fairness don't result from evolution. Fairness is a human construct, and the only ones responsible for promoting it is us.
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
"If you aren't aware, Texans don't have much concern for the well-being of Yankees or Californians, even Yankee factory workers in Indiana "- SECOND
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Quote:You've drifted off into abstraction again, Signym. Most of the society of the USA in 1900 is as dead today in the USA as the society of Sparta is dead in Greece. Most Americans in 1900, except the wealthy back then, lived nothing like most people live today. That 1900's American society is dead, extinct, evolution passed it by. It did not last hundreds of years. IT DID NOT SURVIVE. It was gone by 1970 when electricity arrived everywhere and everybody had a TV and an auto and only a few million farmers were left alive, none of them plowing with horses or oxen.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
MY POINT, SECOND (and thank you for focusing on something trivial to distract from the main issue) is that "society" can survive quite nicely on the backs and bodies of its members. The rules that govern a society's survival aren't the same rules that govern personal survival. A very warlike society which colonizes extensively, imposes its culture and language on its subjects, and still manages to crank out babies has a good chance of survival, at least for a few hundred years. It's sad, but true: Justice and fairness don't result from evolution. Fairness is a human construct, and the only ones responsible for promoting it is us.
There are old people that can remember that dead society that once prospered on the same soil as present day USA. They wonder why things have changed. Things changed because the society of 1900 died while their attention was focused on those new fangled TV shows and we are living in the middle of that old society's burial ground of old houses and streets.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Of course I'm talking about an abstraction. And so were you, when you were talking about Athenian culture surviving. But now that "abstraction" isn't taking you in a direction that you want, all of the sudden you think it's a bad thing to do.
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Trigger warning guys, its 'Breitbart
Transgender Anti-SJW YouTuber Blaire White’s Facebook Ban Lifted Following Breitbart Inquiry
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http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/02/22/transgender-anti-sjw-youtuber
-blaire-whites-facebook-ban-lifted-following-breitbart-inquiry/
Blaire White, a transgender YouTuber and critic of cultural marxism, was hit with a 30-day ban on her Facebook page for “violating Facebook policies” but given no reason as to why the ban was implemented. However, after Breitbart News reached out to Facebook for comment, White’s ban was lifted.
White revealed her ban from Facebook through her Twitter account on Tuesday evening:
I've been suspended from Facebook for a month, so don't expect to see me there. I can't stop accidentally doing wrongthink ???? pic.twitter.com/sTHxWmLpPj
— BLAIRE WHITE ?? (@MsBlaireWhite) February 21, 2017
White told Breitbart News, “Facebook has repeatedly shown their dedication to censoring libertarian and conservative pages. They’ve also shown that their claim to want to protect minorities is disingenuous, as they have no problem booting minorities from their website if they have the wrong opinion.”
Facebook has previously temporarily suspended other anti-social justice figures for going against the mainstream leftist narrative. Libertarian commentator Lauren Southern was also suspended for 30 days for questioning the ban of another Trump supporter.
After reaching out to Facebook for comment on the situation, a representative stated that “this was a mistake. Her account should be restored and she should be able to use it normally.”
Many other pages and people have had their permanent bans or suspensions lifted following Breitbart reporting; most recently, the popular comedy page Polandball, which faced permanent deletion, was reinstated after Breitbart coverage.
....Polandball for those of you who missed it
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Originally posted by second:
The point I was making is that the Spartans are dead and good riddance to them, while Athenians' culture has some life in it.
The rural Peloponnese region which was once part of ancient Sparta/Greek Empire, is nowrenowned for being among the most traditionalist and conservative regions of Greece and is a stronghold of the right-wing New Democracy party. Sparta is probably the most rightwing pride conservative city in Greece....It has never had a left-wing mayor and it was one of the few cities that voted in 1974 to retain the monarchy. The Spartathlon takes place every September it is an ultramarathon starting in Athens and finishing in Sparta at the statue of Leonidas, that guy who fought the Persian and the competition comes with with many international participants.
and the 'scary' or 'nazi' guys....Who are Golden Dawn?
StateofNation youtube channel
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