What would have happened to Simon...?

POSTED BY: THESOMNAMBULIST
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THESOMNAMBULIST

Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:21 AM

What would have happened to Simon had he and River been caught? River, I imagine would have been taken back to the academy, but what about Simon? Would he have been sent to jail. or something more severe...? Indeed is there any reference to the death penalty in the Verse ?

DAVESHAYNE

Tuesday, April 10, 2012 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by THESOMNAMBULIST:
What would have happened to Simon had he and River been caught? River, I imagine would have been taken back to the academy, but what about Simon? Would he have been sent to jail. or something more severe...? Indeed is there any reference to the death penalty in the Verse ?

I expect that what would have happened to Simon is the same thing that happened to everybody else who had verifiable contact with River - an unacknowledged, unofficial, and probably very messy death. The Alliance isn't playing games here.

David

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TWO

Tuesday, April 10, 2012 2:23 PM

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Originally posted by daveshayne:
The Alliance isn't playing games here.

I expect you are right.

The Alliance would have a constitution with human rights protections that are, mostly, for show. Officers take an oath to their constitution, but soon forget their promises. I, the Operative, do solemnly affirm that I will support and defend the Constitution of the Alliance; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me Buddha.

It sounds very pretty. Experienced officers don't let their oath get in their way or slow them down. They have their careers and promotions to think of. Occasionally, their consciences are troubled, much like the Operative admitted to Mal. But if the Alliance won't punish oath-breakers for ignoring the Constitution when it is convenient . . . Well, then a gunship kills everybody in Haven. The only cost is ammo. Nobody will be court-martialled. They probably get military citations for efficiency.

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BYTEMITE

Tuesday, April 10, 2012 2:50 PM

Well, either Simon would have been killed... Or worse. He'd be kept in custody, just in case River ever used her genius abilities to get around or break the psychological conditioning and she needed any "persuasion."

I have a feeling that if the Alliance is okay with dragging little girls down into underground bunker complex hell for involuntary surgery and traumatic assassin training, they probably don't have too much issue with outright torture.

M52NICKERSON

Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:15 PM

I agree he would be killed or locked away. I think the Alliance government would have created some story on how Simon was killed during his arrest but managed to kill many of th officers involved. That way they can also eliminate the Feds who caught him and River.

As far as the Operative and the events of Serenity I tend to think that most of the troops under his command were elite forces picked because they would not question orders. I see them as far different then the majority of Alliance officers in the Verse.

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PIZMOBEACH

Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:23 PM

He is too dangerous alive (even when locked up) and his brain power is too under utilized if dead. So I suspect more River-like experiments - what could be worse for him? "If you won't join us willingly, we'll change who you are." Hello Dark Simon.

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YELLOWJACKET

Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:18 PM

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Originally posted by THESOMNAMBULIST:
Indeed is there any reference to the death penalty in the Verse ?

Yep. You will be killed by an operative for knowing too much. The operative made this very clear by killing three federal employees right out of the gate. Then he killed a whole host of criminals, contacts and just plain old innocent bystanders. Even Mr. Universe didn't see it coming. Simon might have survived long enough to give up the name of EVERY SINGLE PERSON HE EVER TALKED TO OR WORKED WITH in relation to River, but they'd be fitting him for a body bag even as he wrote down the names, which he wouldn't do anyway.

If the film isn't enough to convince you, the hands of blue guys killed every single soldier that was with River the only other time she was caught, and they were killed just because she was speaking nonsense within earshot.

If River had said 'Miranda' any louder at the Maidenhead Bar, the Alliance would have carpet bombed that whole city block.

If they knew that River and Badger had bandied words aboard Serenity, they would have garroted him and buried him in the desert with his 'very fine hat'.

Those hill people that wanted to burn River as a witch...well...let's just say they'd see a fire much bigger than the pile of sticks they piled up if the Alliance knew she'd been berry picking anywhere near there.

RIONAEIRE

Tuesday, April 10, 2012 10:58 PM

Yeah, they might have killed him or perhaps they'd keep him for experiments later, the only reason they might not is that he's fully grown and thus might not be as applicable for experimentation, but they could make some use of him, maybe just to see what happens when you experiment on smart grownups. I suspect that they'd be debating what to do with him because some would just say kill him and be done and some would be curious about other applications for this new commodity.

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OONJERAH

Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:54 AM

I disagree.

River & by association Simon & all who talked to River
presented the danger of scandal to the Alliance ... if
she knew that an Alliance experiment on Miranda created
the Reavers ... sub-men that most Core citizens regard
as myth.

The primary reason to get River and all her associates
was to prevent that scandal. Thus at the end of the
movie, that reason became a fail. They'd accept that
the scandal was known & turn to minimize the damage
of it.

They'd probably still want River back for their original
purpose: She was their trained, warrior woman property.

As for Simon, what they'd do to him depends on if the
officer in charge is vindictive or practical. Surely he could
"forget" what he knew & be returned to his aristocratic
parents. Or trained to serve Alliance.

There are no human rights under the Evil Empire; nor
is there any reason for vengeance or wasting those
who are potentially useful.

After all, the PAX experiment was meant to pacify
people, make them agreeable, not harm them.

. . . . .The worst and most frequent consequence of paranoia is that it's self-fulfilling.

RIONAEIRE

Wednesday, April 11, 2012 1:32 AM

I just don't think Miranda is the be all and end all in the Firefly verse, sure its a big thing, but imagine what other atrocities the Alliance has engaged in and what else they plan for the future.

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"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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