What would have happened to Simon...?
POSTED BY: THESOMNAMBULIST
UPDATED: Thursday, September 26, 2013 14:15
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The best lies contain as much of the truth as possible.
I don't see the Alliance trying to use River and Simon for propaganda simple because they would be hard to control. Plus there is no reason for the Allaince to bring up River or the Academy when addressing the Reavers and Miranda.
I think the Alliance would have not choice but to tell at least some truth, and then very publicly punish, or seem to punish, the people within the Parliment resoncible for Miranda.
That's how I wrote it in my current FanFic.
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That's the trick with these what-ifs: there's the what seems likely given what we know about the characters and story up to this point, and then there's the what makes for good story telling. Not always the same, though the best story telling has to feel genuine. From this thread there are plenty of routes that feel genuine to fans. For me it would be a waste from a story pov not to use Simon for some further twisting, arcing, dramatic punch of some kind. It still feels like there's a lot more to his and River's collective story.
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Quote:Simon and River have a big problem surviving after the movie. Perhaps the Operative will become their permanent guardian angel. Or Joss and Zack Whedon can imagine a reason why Simon and River survive without the Operative's protection. Anybody got ideas? Maybe River becomes the Alliance's telepathic Reaver locator? She survives because she is useful to the Alliance's Reaver extermination program.
Originally posted by THESOMNAMBULIST:
Clearly the consensus is he'd be killed. Which I think is hard to argue, but there's a part of me that's wondering if the Alliance wouldn't be better served by using Simon and River . . .
The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two
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That's if the Alliance comes after them. That is not a forgone conclusion. What benefit, other than revenge, would that be to the Alliance? The Operative killed Doctor Mathias, which may very well have ended the Academy program. Miranda is all ready exposed. Not really any benefit for them, more so when you take into account the loss of Alliance personnel and recourses that had already been wasted trying to get them.
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Quote:They will.
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
That's if the Alliance comes after them.
Joss has made the Alliance bloody-minded and vindictive all through the TV episodes and comics. Remember Serenity: The Shepherd's Tale where a gunship kills everybody in Haven? For no good tactical reason other than the military has enough ammo to do it? The Alliance military has a serious discipline problem using force in a reasonable manner. Because of all the military deaths in orbit around Mr Universe's moon, Cygnus, I think the military is hostile and stupid enough to want to kill everyone on Serenity. That includes Simon and River.
This pilot must have thought he was in a Hollywood movie. Maybe he saw Serenity?
The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by two:Quote:They will.
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
That's if the Alliance comes after them.
Joss has made the Alliance bloody-minded and vindictive all through the TV episodes and comics. Remember Serenity: The Shepherd's Tale where a gunship kills everybody in Haven? For no good tactical reason other than the military has enough ammo to do it? The Alliance military has a serious discipline problem using force in a reasonable manner. Because of all the military deaths in orbit around Mr Universe's moon, Cygnus, I think the military is hostile and stupid enough to want to kill everyone on Serenity. That includes Simon and River.
"If your quarry goes to ground leave no ground to go to." There was a reason to do that, and it was ordered by the Operative, not the government as a whole. In fact if the gunship was to kill everyone and then sit and wait for Serenity it makes even more sense.
Now other that the military's aggression during Serenity, which was directed by the Operative to complete a specific mission, we don't see them as you described. In the pilot the cruiser captain decides go to a distress call instead of following Serenity. In Bushwhacked the captain is going to arrest the crew, not kill them. Then when Mal saves his life and shows that he was not lying he lets them go. The Train Job and Safe we see Alliance officers as indifferent at the most.
Plus even if the military wanted to go after Serenity and the Tams they would have to get their marching orders from the Parliment, who as stated has not good reason to go after them other than revenge. That could very well bit them in the ass and I think a body smart enough to basicly control an entire star system is smart enough to know this. The Opertaive was most likely the best they had other than a full military operation and all point bulliten for Serenity. Making that much noise about a single ship is going to stir up a lot of questions.
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Well, it's mostly the Operative said that the Alliance probably wouldn't stop hunting them. And we know they probably do want to get River back, she's the best prototype for a psychic assassin they've ever had, which means that they would not want to let anyone who has been known to be able to break her out or hide her to go free. Let alone allow them to go public with information about what they've been doing to River and probably other children and maybe even adults.
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Well, it's mostly the Operative said that the Alliance probably wouldn't stop hunting them. And we know they probably do want to get River back, she's the best prototype for a psychic assassin they've ever had, which means that they would not want to let anyone who has been known to be able to break her out or hide her to go free. Let alone allow them to go public with information about what they've been doing to River and probably other children and maybe even adults.
"I can't guarantee they won't come after you. The Parliament. They do not forget and are not forgiving." "I told them the Tams were no longer a threat...damage done. They might listen, but...I think they know I'm no longer their man."
From what the Operative says I don't think it is that clear. Plus until the Operative, or who sent him, figures out that River may have gleamed secrets from members of Parliaments the push to get River was a bit passive. You have the Men with Blue Hands, but other then that you only had warrants and a bounty.
Migth be they let her be, so long as she does not start problems for them.
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Quote:So . . . no one in government or military cares much about the Tams? No need to run? Then it is time for them to leave Serenity.
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Might be they let her be, so long as she does not start problems for them.
That is a dull ending for Firefly unless it becomes a hospital drama. In that case, Simon goes back to cardiovascular, thoracic & transplant surgery. River can finish med school and specialize in psychoanalysis. Think telepathic Sigmund Freud. Can't hide the guilt from sibling incest from her!
The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by two:
So . . . no one in government or military cares much about the Tams? No need to run? Then it is time for them to leave Serenity.
That is a dull ending for Firefly unless it becomes a hospital drama. In that case, Simon goes back to cardiovascular, thoracic & transplant surgery. River can finish med school and specialize in psychoanalysis. Think telepathic Sigmund Freud. Can't hide the guilt from sibling incest from her!
Maybe, of course there is a difference between actively going after a person and not wanting them around. Simon and River might still have warrants out for them, if nothing else to keep them in hiding. The government could have revoked Simon's medical license on trumped up grounds.
Thing is if the Alliance decided to come after them with full force you would not get a happy ending, but you would get an ending. If the government knows that the Tams are on Serenity the whole crew coudl be marked as fugitives. That means any planet with port control is now a no go. The crew does not have many friends left and would be hard pressed just getting fuel and rations for the ship. It would not be long before they got desperate and then dead.
The only reason the crew got out of trouble in the movie was because of the change of heart in the Operative. I doubt they would get that lucky again, let alone fine another army of Reavers to use.
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