What would have happened to Simon...?
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Quote:A second Unification War is possible, but there wasn't a second Civil War in the US. While President Grant suppressed the KKK through the Force Acts, other paramilitary insurgents organized, including the White League in 1874, active in Louisiana; and the Red Shirts, active in Mississippi and the Carolinas. They used intimidation and outright attacks to run Republicans out of office and repress voting by blacks, leading to Rebels regaining power by the elections of the mid-to-late 1870s.
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
After the civil war we had a single country under a single federal government.
If the Alliance held the planet once they could do it again. In the end we only see a lack of direct Alliance control on the Rim planets that have little means to live let alone fend off the Alliance military.
The Republicans lost the South for a century. The Civil War Reconstruction failed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstruction_Era_of_the_United_States
If Joss Whedon followed Civil War history, the Browncoats would eventually control their own planets.
The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by two:
A second Unification War is possible, but there wasn't a second Civil War in the US. While President Grant suppressed the KKK through the Force Acts, other paramilitary insurgents organized, including the White League in 1874, active in Louisiana; and the Red Shirts, active in Mississippi and the Carolinas. They used intimidation and outright attacks to run Republicans out of office and repress voting by blacks, leading to Rebels regaining power by the elections of the mid-to-late 1870s.
The Republicans lost the South for a century. The Civil War Reconstruction failed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstruction_Era_of_the_United_States
If Joss Whedon followed Civil War history, the Browncoats would eventually control their own planets.
The South does not control a single state in the US, the South, as in the Confederacy, does not exist anymore. So, not following Civil War history the Browncoats would not control planets.
Again Republican does not equal the North and Democrat does not equal the South.
I don't think there could be another Unification War. Far before any one could build up the resources to do that the Alliance would stop them. Your not going to build an army that big and keep it a secrete.
Even if a Planet managed to revolt and kick the Alliance off of it the Alliance would still have the power to simple bombard the planet from space. Unless that planet has enough ships to defend it as well.
It seems you believe that the Alliance will come after Simon and River after Miranda full force for no good reason and unless there is some power to hide or protect them they will die. I think if you believe the Alliance will try and take revenge at all costs you have to accept the fact Simon and River are doomed.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Gorram double post!
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Quote:Wasn't the Unification War over slavery? (There are slaves in the 'Verse.)
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Gorram double post!
I'm certain the American Civil War was over slavery. (Some argue it was the states' right to slavery. Close to the same thing.)
If I got the motivation for the Unification War correct, Joss Whedon made the Browncoats anti-slavery and the Alliance pro-slavery. Too bad the wrong side won. Topsy-turvy 'Verse.
Not a good place for Simon and River unless Joss Whedon makes the 'Verse story similar to Civil War Reconstruction -- after some years, the Republicans' Northern Army (Alliance) leaves because of the great expense and Southerners (Browncoats) vote the Republicans out of political office in the Southern states only. Freedom is restored by the ballot box, not war.
The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by two:
Wasn't the Unification War over slavery? (There are slaves in the 'Verse.)
I'm certain the American Civil War was over slavery. (Some argue it was the states' right to slavery. Close to the same thing.)
If I got the motivation for the Unification War correct, Joss Whedon made the Browncoats anti-slavery and the Alliance pro-slavery. Too bad the wrong side won. Topsy-turvy 'Verse.
Not a good place for Simon and River unless Joss Whedon makes the 'Verse story similar to Civil War Reconstruction -- after some years, the Republicans' Northern Army (Alliance) leaves because of the great expense and Southerners (Browncoats) vote the Republicans out of political office in the Southern states only. Freedom is restored by the ballot box, not war.
Nothing in Firefly nor Serenity indicates that the Unification War was about Slavery. Everything states that the Independents were fighting to stay free of Alliance control. Slavery is mentioned once that I know of and that was in "Shindig", but gave no indication if it was legal or not.
So you have the reasons for the Unification war wrong.
The Verse is not a good place for River and Simon, that is part of the shows drama and why the Alliance is scary.
I will ask if you just ignore part of what I say or you just don't understand it. Republican did not equal north during the time of reconstruction. Republicans were voted out in the South because they took a much harder stand against the South then the Democrats did.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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I do find Two's scenario highly unlikely, but even so, even though its not how I see the verse, I'd give such a story a go, it isn't breaking any cardinal rules for stories-I-read, so why not. That's just me.
I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.
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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
With Doctor Mathias gone, and substantial knowledge from their
experiments so far, the Academy might continue to train psychic
assassins in a more humane way ... could be a doctor, even a
psychiatrist, who sees that humane training would help to insure
loyalty.
Don't think Joss would agree, though. No.
Oonj, I think Joss Whedon was interested in revealing to us US GOV'T programs that had actually happened, have supposedly been scrapped, but which probably are still ongoing.
I direct you to the Family Jewels Report, MKULTRA, MKDELTA.Quote:
Funding of behavior modification research on unwitting US citizens, including unscientific, non-consensual human experiments.(see also Project MKULTRA)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Jewels_%28Central_Intelligence_Age
ncy%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKDELTAQuote:
MKDELTA, and its associated program MKULTRA, were mind control and interrogation operations run by the Central Intelligence Agency.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Men_Who_Stare_at_GoatsQuote:
The Men Who Stare at Goats (2004) is a book by Jon Ronson about the U.S. Army's exploration of New Age concepts and the potential military applications of the paranormal. The title refers to attempts to kill goats by staring at them. Research was carried out in part by Jon Ronson, but also by documentary filmmaker John Sergeant.
The book examines connections between military programs and psychological techniques being used for interrogation in the War on Terror. The book traces the evolution of these covert activities over the past three decades, and sees how they are alive today within U.S. Homeland Security and the Iraq War. It examines the use of the theme tune to Barney & Friends on Iraqi prisoners-of-war, the smuggling of a hundred de-bleated goats into the Special Forces command center at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, and the connection between the U.S. military and the mass-suicide of members of the Heaven's Gate cult in San Diego.
There are some very dark rabbit holes out there.
Very dark indeed!
Does no good to try to inform me, Byte. Whooosh! Over my head.
I am a professional Ostrich.
"Becker explained how Dr. Joseph Sharp of the Walter Reed Army Institute
of Research developed an analog pulse that successfully beamed an otherwise
unheard word directly into the brain. Sharp had, essentially, created what
would become voice to skull technology and, in effect, what could be mis-
interpreted as telepathic communication."
Above paragraph from article titled, "The Human Hypothesis for Some
Reports of Alien Abduction: Trauma, Covert Research Projects and Non-
Lethal Weapons,"
on: Credible info on incredible topics
http://www.ufotrail.blogspot.com/2011/10/human-hypothesis-for-some-rep
orts-of.html
However, as the paragraph above claims that our spooks & schientists
can, since 1985, project a word(s) into my head ... interesting, but
I never heard of it.
BUT, if our CIA has all this powerful tech to influence the human mind (as
the article describes) ... would we not use it to achieve global domination
instead of bankrupting our country with endless shooting wars??
Or does the continuous distraction of wars help to smoke screen what we
are really doing? ... And why all the damn waterboarding?
MKULTRA :>
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One of two things would have happened:
1) The Alliance hires Niska to torture Simon in front of River as a warning to behave or;
B) Simon escapes with the help of a rag-tag crew (in another Firefly ship, same one that helped break out River) as he prearranged with that crew. Reason why I think he had this contingency plan all set to go, one word, Ariel.
I'm going with option B.
SGG
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Originally posted by THESOMNAMBULIST:
What would have happened to Simon had he and River been caught? River, I imagine would have been taken back to the academy, but what about Simon? Would he have been sent to jail. or something more severe...? Indeed is there any reference to the death penalty in the Verse ?
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