What would have happened to Simon...?
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Extras. So I guess that would explain it.
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which I might get if they drop the whole must connect to our servers to play BS.
It's actually not too horrible. It makes it really easy to switch your game between singleplayer to inviting people into your game. There's not even a loading time.
Of course, yeah, I do know the reason they want to do that is so they can monitor the players more, which does stick in my craw... But on the other hand... It's... It's concentrated nostalgia BLISS.
At least they aren't charging people to play.
You haeb SoJ?
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Quote Bytemite: "The Men Who Stare at Goats (2004) is a book by Jon Ronson
about the U.S. Army's exploration of New Age concepts and the potential
military applications of the paranormal. The title refers to attempts to
kill goats by staring at them."
i.e., "I can kill you with my brain."
Being an ostrich, I never heard of any of this.
Heard considerable about psychic stuff back when, 80's I guess.
And everyone did expect the military to keep up on it.
ETA: Oops! An obvious connection recalled. Will get back to you.
. . . . .The worst and most frequent consequence of paranoia is that it's self-fulfilling.
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Edgar Dean Mitchell, an American pilot, engineer, and astronaut =>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Mitchell
Ed is also the founder/co-founder (1973) of the Institute of Noetic Sciences.
That's earlier than I recall. Prior to creating/registering the IoNS, Ed was
about in the San Francisco Bay area meeting, associating with known psychics,
including instructors and trainees of the Berkeley Psychic Institute.
Interesting, no?
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Simon's fate can be tied to bigger issues. The 'Verse that we have seen in the movie is too either/or, too Alliance vs Browncoat. It deserves a third side to make it more complicated.
On Earth, the USA can't secretly arrest/kill a Simon by sending troops into Russia or France or India. Even Pakistan is too much for the USA to handle. That raid on Osama bin Laden almost became a fiasco when a helicopter crashed. In the same situation, if the USA had gone after Simon and it was River providing the defense, you know which side would lose.
To create stories where Simon survives to 50, the 'Verse needs a neutral Switzerland planet or a distinctive culture Quebec planet. It's possible -- there are enough planets that we don't know much about. Beaumonde, Fanty and Mingo's place of business, could be that planet.
If Simon becomes a citizen of Beaumonde, the Alliance might have some legal restraints on what it will do to captured Simon, if its courts mean anything,
The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by two:
Simon's fate can be tied to bigger issues. The 'Verse that we have seen in the movie is too either/or, too Alliance vs Browncoat. It deserves a third side to make it more complicated.
On Earth, the USA can't secretly arrest/kill a Simon by sending troops into Russia or France or India. Even Pakistan is too much for the USA to handle. That raid on Osama bin Laden almost became a fiasco when a helicopter crashed. In the same situation, if the USA had gone after Simon and it was River providing the defense, you know which side would lose.
To create stories where Simon survives to 50, the 'Verse needs a neutral Switzerland planet or a distinctive culture Quebec planet. It's possible -- there are enough planets that we don't know much about. Beaumonde, Fanty and Mingo's place of business, could be that planet.
If Simon becomes a citizen of Beaumonde, the Alliance, if its courts mean anything, might have some legal restraints on what the Alliance will do to captured Simon.
The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two
Unfortunately that is not the Verse. The one thing that is quite clear is that the Alliance government is that supreme power. It does not matter which planet you are on you are still under the Alliance's jurisdiction.
I don't think you have to add an element such as the one you described to make things more complicated, and thus create a third option. The Alliance government and the people in power within it are not a hive mind. I sure you would have political and power struggles within it all the time. Throw in large corps like Blue Sun and there influence and things get more interesting. The regime that was weakened and embarrassed by the Miranda wave may not be in power, or may not be the most powerful, within that government tomorrow.
Maybe it's just how I look at it. I don't see the whole of the Alliance government ever focused on River and Simon, even when the Operative is after them. Only a few that are paying attention to them. After the Wave that might be a different story, of course the government will also have to deal with the fallout while each individual power group looks out for power plays from the others. Heck, some in the Parliament might even want to thank the Tams in the end. Politics can create strange bed fellows.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Quote:That depends on what story Joss Whedon wants to tell about the 'Verse. Back on Earth, the USA can nuke anyplace and yet that power does not mean the USA has control. Just because the Alliance won the Unification War does not mean that the Alliance can do whatever Parliament decides about people like Simon and River. It is Joss who decides and he has a hundred planets that are nominally part of the Alliance. It might be a very loose alliance with places that Parliament does not have any more control than the USA has over Pakistan.
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Unfortunately that is not the Verse. The one thing that is quite clear is that the Alliance government is that supreme power. It does not matter which planet you are on you are still under the Alliance's jurisdiction.
The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two
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It’s Joss or at this point anyone who decides to tell stories about the Verse.
Now the US government power within the world is not equivalent to the Alliance's power within the Verse. If you want to use the US government as a reference point then the Verse equivalent would be within the US boarders.
From what I see the Alliance can do what it wants within the Verse. It is seems pretty obvious that it is the sovereign power, if not by law it self, but by pure military power.
You’re right there are some places that Alliance does not seem to have a lot of influence and power, but the difference between those places and the US vs. Pakistan example is that the Alliance could very easily if it wanted to. Those places do not have standing armies.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Oonj: Yeah, it is.
I'm sure the Alliance also does research into human thoughts influencing reality. In addition to precognition and location scrying, which I'm sure our government also researched.
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Quote:Are you absolutely, positively sure that the "Alliance" army on every planet is centrally and completely controlled by the one and only Parliament? Are all planets enslaved to the will of the Parliament and not really allies of the Alliance? When the Parliament says jump, every big and small population planet says how high?
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
You’re right there are some places that Alliance does not seem to have a lot of influence and power, but the difference between those places and the US vs. Pakistan example is that the Alliance could very easily if it wanted to. Those places do not have standing armies.
The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two
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I'd actually more compare the Alliance jurisdiction over the outer planets to the British government and all the colonies it had maybe in the early part of the century. Or possibly the Federal government attitude towards the south after the civil war.
There's a big difference between the attitude of the people in the core and how they feel about themselves versus how they feel about people on the Rim. Some people in the core are very sympathetic, but bordering on offensively patronizing those poor misguided and impoverished lesser peoples on the rim, and some are still pissed off about the Rim being so ungrateful for fighting back, don't they know the value of being part of the British empire/America and all the advancements they've been given?
The Alliance has power where it has sent soldiers. Some places they just can't be bothered, for example the alliance didn't show up to keep the peace for the magistrate on Higgin's Moon the first time the Mudders rioted. The Magistrate had to try to keep them in line with the private security he's paid for out of his own pocket, and when that didn't work, he had to give in to the mudder's demands.
So planets have magistrates or councils that have power invested in them by the Alliance, the planets probably send representatives to Parliament but they're more like ambassadors than like actual ministers of parliament, they have to get a minister on their side to get anything done. Parliament can kick out the local governments and assume direct control, but most of the time can't be bothered.
So you get these rich people who pretty much own entire worlds, like Patience or Higgins, and as long as they don't give the Alliance a reason to swoop in and depose them, the Alliance doesn't care.
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