HELP SAVE ENTERPRISE

POSTED BY: ZiggyKarlos
UPDATED: Sunday, April 4, 2004 20:48
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ZIGGYKARLOS

Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:56 AM

Hi,
I'm trying to spread the word on a campaign to save Star Trek Enterprise. So I've decided to go around to a bunch of message boards. So this is the first one I came to, because us Browncoats really know how to get things done =) So now I'm asking for anyone who watches Enterprise, or any of the Trek's to step up and help out. This is serious, the last movie bombed, there may not be another one, and there's no way they would invest in another installment of Trek in the future if Enterprise gets the axe.

the links are:

www.saveenterprise.com
http://www.theapostleofgod.com/vidcaps/saveent.htm

there are many more, but these are the two I am a part of.
these are the adresses for writing in...

Mr. Brannon Braga / ERE ENTERPRISE
Cooper Building Room 205
Paramount Studios
5555 Melrose Ave
Hollywood, CA 90038-3112
U.S.A.

Mr. Eric Kim
Director of Programming
United Paramount Network
11800 Wilshire Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90025

If you can only write one person right Mr. Kim

Dawn Tarnofsky-Ostroff - President
United Paramount Network
11800 Wilshire Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90025

Mr. Leslie Moonves
President and CEO
CBS Television
CBS Television City
7800 W Beverly Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90036

thank you very much,
-Karl

STEVE580

Tuesday, March 30, 2004 1:17 AM

Bad shows get cancelled all the time..what's the big deal? Perhaps it'll be replaced with a good scifi show.
-Steve

GHOULMAN

Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:46 PM

ENT is the worst show on TV. I gotta wonder about people who trash Firefly for being sexist while this crap show has that battered wife Vulcan whore mentality. The writers (if I can call them that, hmm, no guess not!) reveal thier sick mysoginist minds with every second show. Then they insult the entire Islamic world with thier racist allegories. Oh I could go on and on...

I do hope all my Firefly friends work hard to beat up every ENT fan they see. They deserve it.

WINTERFELL

Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:59 PM

what is this guys deal? he didn't like that the last thread he posted got 10 anti-enterprise comments, so posting another one will do the trick??

Once again.. F--- Enterprise and the NX-01 it rode in on. It had 3 seasons to stick up the airwaves FF had 1/2... put your efforts into saving quality shows like ANGEL.

BROWNCOAT1

Tuesday, March 30, 2004 5:04 PM

I tried liking Enterprise, I really did, but it is so badly written, the plots & ideas are nothing more than rehashings of old Star Trek stories, and the disregard for the ST timeline did nothing to endear me to this show.

I have not watched an episode of Enterprise since the last part of the first season, not a full episode anyway. I have tried tuning in once or twice since, but it always leaves me flat.

If Enterprise fails, they can only blame the unimaginative writers of the show.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

XARR

Tuesday, March 30, 2004 5:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by GHOULMAN:
I do hope all my Firefly friends work hard to beat up every ENT fan they see. They deserve it.

Quote:
Originally posted by Winterfell:
F--- Enterprise and the NX-01 it rode in on.

HOLY CRAP!! I didn't like the show either, but what's up with flamming a guy for posting about something he likes and you don't. It's not like he came to your house and beat you with a boxset. Chill out before you give yourself a freakin' heartattack.

I'm guessing you two were beat up a lot as kids..... by Star Trek fans.

"Long ago, before volcanic eruptions were invented, lava had to be carried down the mountainside in buckets and poured over sleeping villagers. This took time."

THEFOP

Tuesday, March 30, 2004 6:03 PM

I'm with Xarr on this one. I don't much like Enterprise myself, but flaming the guy.....no good will come of it.

once the snow got so deep you almost couldn't hear margaret atwood

THEFOP

Tuesday, March 30, 2004 6:03 PM

I'm with Xarr on this one. I don't much like Enterprise myself, but flaming the guy.....no good will come of it.

once the snow got so deep you almost couldn't hear margaret atwood

THEFOP

Tuesday, March 30, 2004 6:05 PM

the dreaded double post. I'm trying to think of some way to blame my landlord.

once the snow got so deep you almost couldn't hear margaret atwood

SPOOKYJESUS

Tuesday, March 30, 2004 6:13 PM

RE: Help save Enterprise.

WHY DON'T YOU MAKE ME!

WINTERFELL

Tuesday, March 30, 2004 6:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Xarr:
Quote:
Originally posted by GHOULMAN:
I do hope all my Firefly friends work hard to beat up every ENT fan they see. They deserve it.

Quote:
Originally posted by Winterfell:
F--- Enterprise and the NX-01 it rode in on.

HOLY CRAP!! I didn't like the show either, but what's up with flamming a guy for posting about something he likes and you don't. It's not like he came to your house and beat you with a boxset. Chill out before you give yourself a freakin' heartattack.

I'm guessing you two were beat up a lot as kids..... by Star Trek fans.

ORRRRRrrrrrr... you could read the other thread that was posted by the SAME guy where we already were talking about all this.. I was flaming for the double post. which I happily do.. the fact that some people get so bent out of shape about flaming offends me

so yeah..

we're not all good people with kind hearts..

but some of us are huge trek fans.. me for example.. if you have watched something for over 10 years and bought the merchandise and seen the films and had long in depth discussions about hypothetical sciences that don't exist, you sometimes feel the right to express your opinion on the subject.. so unless I was beating myself up, no, no star trek fans beat me up.. however, I still joyfully stand behind the fall of enterprise and my original post..

cheers mate!

BROWNCOAT1

Tuesday, March 30, 2004 6:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Xarr:
Quote:
Originally posted by GHOULMAN:
I do hope all my Firefly friends work hard to beat up every ENT fan they see. They deserve it.

Quote:
Originally posted by Winterfell:
F--- Enterprise and the NX-01 it rode in on.

HOLY CRAP!! I didn't like the show either, but what's up with flamming a guy for posting about something he likes and you don't. It's not like he came to your house and beat you with a boxset. Chill out before you give yourself a freakin' heartattack.

I'm guessing you two were beat up a lot as kids..... by Star Trek fans.

So insulting Ghoulman & Winterfell is better than what you are chastising them for how exactly?

I agree their comments are a bit harsh, but that does not excuse using a similar tact w/ them.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

KEVSCOAT

Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:42 PM

I thought there was a movement a while back between Ent fans & Firefly fans to support each other in letter-writing efforts. It was before I joined this BBS, but I remember hearing about it on TrekBBS. So, is the sentiment around here that there is no support for Enterprise? It may have been a different group of Browncoats.

Well, I for one hope the show is not cancelled. I definitely think a changing of the guard is needed (fire Berman & Braga in favor of bringing in some new creative blood), but I think the show has potential. Then again, maybe 3 seasons is too long to try & gain the public's favor.

WHOODAHN

Tuesday, March 30, 2004 8:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
I tried liking Enterprise, I really did, but it is so badly written, the plots & ideas are nothing more than rehashings of old Star Trek stories, and the disregard for the ST timeline did nothing to endear me to this show.

I really have to agree with you. I tried to put my thoughts in different words but you summed it up so well that I'm going to steal your words.

Just think of my post as a new episode of Enterprise.

GHOULMAN

Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:12 PM

Flame? Oh... I can flame baby, but this ain't a flame. Please look up 'flame war' for the facts. So no insult to the person posting the SAVE ENTERPRISE thing - some people juggle geese!

It's just my opinion regarding a horrible and insulting show. Save it? Get that fanboy a black eye stat!

GHOULMAN

Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by kevscoat:
I thought there was a movement a while back between Ent fans & Firefly fans to support each other in letter-writing efforts. It was before I joined this BBS, but I remember hearing about it on TrekBBS. SNIP!

The TrekBBS. The TREKBBS!?!?!?! You mean the BBS filled with nothing but marketing moles typing out lies and 'positive copy' from thier hiding place under Rick Bermans' desk eating ketchup and month old tribbles?

No. No one at the TrekBBS gives a rats ass about Joss Whedon. Those people, I have seen, have done more to hurt Firefly than help. Trust me, I have had my time on the TrekBBS and there are about 16 TV producers out there that hate my guts.

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
I have not watched an episode of Enterprise since the last part of the first season, not a full episode anyway. I have tried tuning in once or twice since, but it always leaves me flat.

I got that one beat. Besides the pilot, which I barely watched, I have not been able to sit through an episode of Enterprise - I've tried. Honestly, I've tried. Nothing about it grabs me, interests me or even offends me on the level that I find Andromeda offensive.

It falls the same way as SG:1 for me, I just don;t see how the show has lasted as long as it did, but if you wish to waste 44 minutes of your life, I shan't stop you - some people would say the same thing about my B5 fixation and *our* (we're all in this one) FF obsession.

I trace it back to Voyager - I saw the pilot and maybe two or three episodes of that - yet ask me about TNG, DS9 and Kirk & Co and I'll go misty eyed.

Just don't see why "rival" shows should stick up for one another - if you like the show, say you like it, write in. I'm afraid that doesn't do it any more (does anyone believe that FF was saved for artistic and not dollar reasons? Same with Family Guy, we bought the box sets and they saw the legs were there), but go for your life. What benefit is there in an FF fan writing in to save Enterprise, and then not watching it? Would just get cancelled the next year, and $40 million plus would be wasted - could have been another genre show, might have been a good one, and would make it less likely in the future that shows on the bubble would get the benefit of doubt.

"I threw up on your bed"

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Trust me, I have had my time on the TrekBBS and there are about 16 TV producers out there that hate my guts.

So what's that, about a third of the number of producers on one episode of Enterprise?

Line-Dance Producer
Co-Ed-Executive Producer
"They gave me this title because they were out of free t-shirts when I got to the head of the line" producer
"My other show is reality based" producer

"I threw up on your bed"

KILLEDBYRIVERSBRAIN

Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:56 PM

The way I see it this guy (girl?) likes the show and is willing to fight for it. I'd be willing to stand toe-to-toe and physically fight whoever will save Angel if I win, and I'm sure I haven't aimed my efforts at the best possible target every time.

I consider myself a Trek fan (my trivia skills are formidable), though I won't go into my opinion of Enterprise except to say I don't watch it, and couldn't even tell you the first and last names of the bridge crew.

That said, I don't have any plans to support Enterprise, but I'm not going to say I want it cancelled and I'm not saying anything against this person. I wish him or her the best in all efforts to save Enterprise.

I hope you like Guinness, sir. I find it a refreshing substitute for . . . food.
-Jack O'Neill

DORAN

Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:26 PM

"ENT is the worst show on TV."

Oh boy, is this ever an emotional and very exaggerated statement. Come on you can't tell me that you seriously believe that Enterprise is the worst show on TV. Sure it's not Firefly.. but I can come up with a page full of show on TV that I think are worse than this. Heck reality TV alone provide a whole host.

My advice (for people who don't want to be taken with a grain of salt) is to not attack but instead take a step back, then say what you mean like an adult.

BADGERSHAT

Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:17 PM

Damn folks... I know Enterprise is decidedly inferior to the other Treks (excluding Voyager, which is a whole nother issue of mine), but come on! Let's get real here--there's a terrible lack of halfway decent SciFi series on network TV, and even if it's only in that halfway category, Enterprise fills a void.

Let's push, not to get in cancelled, but improved significantly. let's push to get Hoshi and Travis killed off, since they are basically waste of space on the show, serving no purpose. And as much as I LOVE her catsuits, maybe a little less male chauvenism for T'Pol's outfits, and a little more depth?

But if it goes, what are we left with? How many times can you watch Firefly in a row?

Okay, bad example, but you get the point.
BH

***************************
"I like smackin 'em"--Jayne

ECGORDON

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:14 AM

Quote:
ORRRRRrrrrrr... you could read the other thread that was posted by the SAME guy where we already were talking about all this.. I was flaming for the double post.

If you would have checked the times the two threads were posted you would realize it was not double posted on purpose, but yet another glitch as happens here all the time, just as with TheFop's double post on this thread.

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

WINTERFELL

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:38 AM

i dunno... most times i have ever seen a double post it is because someone hit submit twice.. so.. ::shrug::

i was just making something up anyway, i personally believe the thread is worth several flames, so if anyone else would like to add to it, i persoanlly welcome it.

If you really want me to go into why enterprise is not worth saving, i will... it will be long and filled with rediculous opinionated trek thoughts and there will be many flames to follow.

but for now, am bored.. so i will spare you.

XION47

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:

No. No one at the TrekBBS gives a rats ass about Joss Whedon. Those people, I have seen, have done more to hurt Firefly than help. Trust me, I have had my time on the TrekBBS and there are about 16 TV producers out there that hate my guts.

I don't mean to disillusion you, but there are more "Firefly" and ME fans on the TrekBBS than there are here. If I want an interesting FF conversation, I always find it there before I do here. This is not to diss this site, it's wonderful, it's simply that TrekBBS has way more members there and subsequently more Browncoats. I mean, the Fireflygasm thread over there has more posts than the one here. The new "Angel" threads are always much longer and more insightful than the ones here, only because there are more fans of JW over there.

'Trek as it is now is a joke, and the least used forums at TrekBBS are the Star Trek ones. In fact, the most active forum is the misc Sci-Fi/Fant one. That's where all the Browncoats are; you should check it out.

GHOLA

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:

It's just my opinion regarding a horrible and insulting show. Save it? Get that fanboy a black eye stat!

Actually according to your post it was the opinion of "entire Islamic world" and while I'm on the topic how is it insulting the entire islamic world with racist allegories?

Quote:
Originally posted by ZIGGYKARLOS:

there are many more, but these are the two I am a part of.
these are the adresses for writing in...

Mr. Brannon Braga / ERE ENTERPRISE
Cooper Building Room 205
Paramount Studios
5555 Melrose Ave
Hollywood, CA 90038-3112
U.S.A.

Brannon Braga has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not Enterprise is cancelled.

As for my opinions on Enterprise I think it's a extremely dull show bnd I definately won't be writing in but I'm also not going to actively try and get it cancelled.

ARAWAEN

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 3:25 AM

Actually given the current trend it will be replaced with a reality tv show. It is the first Trek I don't watch (though I think it was habit that kept me going during Voyager) but there are worse things that can be put on the air.

Arawaen

Um, I'm lost. Uh, I'm Angry. And I'm Armed.

GINOBIFFARONI

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 4:33 AM

Here is the replacement...

Warning, I have been drinking

A reality Star Trek show.

A bunch of Fans get put through classic episode scenarios and you kill off three or four a show.

Be worried if they hand you a red shirt

( Hell, it would be better than Enterprise )

" Thats not fair !!!!
I didn't even have a soul when I did that!"

INFRA172

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:34 AM

Die Enterprise Die! All your fans come and watch Angel so we can get it renewed! Die! Die!

WINTERFELL

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by infra172:
Die Enterprise Die! All your fans come and watch Angel so we can get it renewed! Die! Die!

um.. i watch ST:E and Angel.. on the same night.. cause Ent is on at 8 and Angel at 9.. so... that wouldn't help

MACBAKER

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 1:03 PM

First, I love Star Trek. I've been a fan since the first run of the original series (yes, I'm that corpsified and old).

I loved TOS and TNG, and DS9 is a favorite, but VOY and now ENT just don't have the writing or characters that are as good as the first three series. I think the producers have run out of ideas. They don't have the passion for the show anymore.

I find it interesting that Joss could make nine characters interesting and memorable in a half season of Firefly, but the writers and producers of the last two Star Trek's couldn't make 7 characters unique and interesting over the course of several seasons. Did anyone really ever care that much about Harry Kim or Tom Paris? Do you really care about Mayweather (the writers obviously don't, because they give him so little to do or say).

As much as I have loved Star Trek, I think Paramount should take a break. Wait a few years and then star fresh with a new series, with new producers and writers.

I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.

GHOULMAN

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 1:54 PM

Quote:
Doran wrote:
Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:26
Ghoulman - "ENT is the worst show on TV."

Oh boy, is this ever an emotional and very exaggerated statement. Come on you can't tell me that you seriously believe that Enterprise is the worst show on TV. Sure it's not Firefly.. but I can come up with a page full of show on TV that I think are worse than this. Heck reality TV alone provide a whole host.

My advice (for people who don't want to be taken with a grain of salt) is to not attack but instead take a step back, then say what you mean like an adult.

Yeaaa... that's a good point and I want to commend a person who has the balls to chide someone for thier hyperbole because it's, er... childish.

What colour is the sky on your Vulcan?

Look, you have a point of course but ENT is a show that can't remember what happened from Act I to Act II (like the number of miners trapped... actual case!). Sure, that show has wide screen and all that slick looking FX but it's hollow and mean and terrible. It's not that Reality Shows are more horrid than ENT, they aren't. Why? Because ENT manages to be horrible in far more ways that a simple Reality Show could dream.

Worse... and this is why I encourage violence - ENT is so sexist, racist, and pro-war it's not even funny that Capt. Archer is based on George Dubya Bush. Which is just wrong. GWB is a criminal and as far as I know, you shouldn't base your protagonists on criminals.

I could go on and on.

GHOULMAN

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ghola:
Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:

Actually according to your post it was the opinion of "entire Islamic world" and while I'm on the topic how is it insulting the entire islamic world with racist allegories?
Oh. *chuckle*, I don't know the eps name but this last winter I saw the ad for an ep where 'Fanatical Religious Suiside Bombers' attack ENT. It was juuuuuuust incrediblely horrible. Racist to the extreem with an ending moral that reads something like it's ok to kill them, they aren't actually people.

Can't tell ya how much I miss Kirk, Spock, and Bones. That was a real show. Hey, bet you'd never see ENTs Vulcan Camel Toe jamming with space hippies!

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GHOULMAN

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Misguided By Voices:
Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Trust me, I have had my time on the TrekBBS and there are about 16 TV producers out there that hate my guts.

So what's that, about a third of the number of producers on one episode of Enterprise?

Line-Dance Producer
Co-Ed-Executive Producer
"They gave me this title because they were out of free t-shirts when I got to the head of the line" producer
"My other show is reality based" producer

lol! I think the last one referes to Mike Sussman? hahahahaha!

BIBSY

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 4:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BadgersHat:
Damn folks... I know Enterprise is decidedly inferior to the other Treks (excluding Voyager, which is a whole nother issue of mine), but come on! Let's get real here--there's a terrible lack of halfway decent SciFi series on network TV, and even if it's only in that halfway category, Enterprise fills a void.

I see your point here, but I have to disagree with the idea that because there's a lack of high quality sci-fi, we should get behind the inferior shows. If you stick with the lower quality, than the networks probably aren't going to try real hard to give you anything more than that. You've set a standard for them that's easier for them to meet. They would probably revel in the opportunity to maniacally say, "Look! We can make utter crap and they'll still watch because it's all they have!"

IMHO, the best way to combat the lack of good sci-fi on tv is to not watch the inferior shows just because they're there and put up one hell of a fight when the networks try to axe the good stuff.

I gave Enterprise a chance when it first aired, and much like Voyager, it didn't work for me at all. I found nothing intriguing about the characters, and the stories had nothing new to offer. The few episodes I saw were better than some other garbage I've seen on tv, but I refuse to stick with it just because it's ever so slightly better than nothing. I'd rather go read a good book.

"Were there monkeys? Some terrifying space monkeys maybe got loose?"

GHOULMAN

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 4:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by xion47:

I don't mean to disillusion you, but there are more "Firefly" and ME fans on the TrekBBS than there are here. If I want an interesting FF conversation, I always find it there before I do here. This is not to diss this site, it's wonderful, it's simply that TrekBBS has way more members there and subsequently more Browncoats. I mean, the Fireflygasm thread over there has more posts than the one here. The new "Angel" threads are always much longer and more insightful than the ones here, only because there are more fans of JW over there.

'Trek as it is now is a joke, and the least used forums at TrekBBS are the Star Trek ones. In fact, the most active forum is the misc Sci-Fi/Fant one. That's where all the Browncoats are; you should check it out.

I was at the TrekBBS a year ago (as Plum) and yea, I'm not being completely true. That is, there is a sub-group of actual people posting there. I assume you are referring to thier 'Neutral Zone' forum which is full of every cheese eating high school fanboy in America so be prepared for the flamin'

But in general and as a matter of policy for a commercial forum like that one - posts about other shows are not 'desirable content' as Marketing puts it. So, expect some mysterious contention to anything not Trek loving. However, there are some terrific people there, I wish they had a place online that didn't actively try to put them (and the Original Trek) down so much. It's a flame war everyday.

SOUTHERNSLAYER

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 7:28 PM

Hey guys. Im certainly no Star Trek Enterprise fan but I do have to say I am really surprised and digussted in the way in which most of the other Browncoats in this thread have treated someone who has come seeking some assistance. It wasn't too long ago that we were looking to gather as much support as we possible could. At the time I was disgusted with some peoples resposes to our pleas. Infact some people even went out of there way to insult Firefly. Of all the people that I might have expected to behave in this fashion I never thought it would be Browncoats taking into consideration our struggle to keep our show. The people in this thread almost make me ashamed to be a Browncoat. Despite my less than overwhelming love of Enterprise I will still support it by signing there petitions. And why? Because I know how it feels to loose the show you love and it aint pretty. So why let something someone else loves be destroyed without helping when you can?

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

ZIGGYKARLOS

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:19 PM

Wow,
I just want to thank you SouthernSlayer for putting how i feel into words perfectly. As I stated in my first post, I came to this site because of what happened to Firefly and I figured that if anyone could understand the feeling of losing a show they love, it would be you guys. When Firefly got the axe, I wrote in, now I am doing the same for another show I love.

I really don't care if a bunch of people don't like Enterprise, I way trying to reach the people who do and let them know what they can do. The day I posted the first msg, I went to about six other message boards (only one of them trek) and by far, this is the worst reception I've gotten. I couldn't believe it. I remember back when John Doe was going to be cancelled (another show i fought for) and people on this board helped out, sent messages of sympathy to JD fans. So what's changed?

If you don't like Enterprise, that's fine. I don't like Angel but I still feel their pain. My point is, If I wanted to know what was wrong with Enteprise, or what you guys hate about it, I would have asked that, but I didn't. I was simply trying to raise awareness of this campaign, Thanks for the warm reception.

And again, thanks to SouthernSlayer, I know you speak for the majority of the Browncoats, including me.

-Karl

GHOULMAN

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:45 PM

You feel the pain? Yikes! Anyho' - Remember that some of us have gotten the same treatment from Trek sites when Firefly is mentioned.

You might detect a bit o' bitterness

Also, some people don't feel the need to support anything genre just because it is. Some of us only support shows because they are great shows.

And on the flip side, some of us don't support shows inclined to insulting the viewer. Call me crazy.

P.S - stop whinning about people posting thier opinions. That is what this crap technology is for!

GHOLA

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
it's not even funny that Capt. Archer is based on George Dubya Bush. Which is just wrong. GWB is a criminal and as far as I know, you shouldn't base your protagonists on criminals.

Show me some proof that Archer is based off of Bush and besides that Malcolm Reynolds is a criminal.

Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Oh. *chuckle*, I don't know the eps name but this last winter I saw the ad for an ep where 'Fanatical Religious Suiside Bombers' attack ENT. It was juuuuuuust incrediblely horrible. Racist to the extreem with an ending moral that reads something like it's ok to kill them, they aren't actually people.

So are you saying that 'Fanatical religious suicide bombers' are okay because I really don't have a problem with a TV show portraying characters that kill people because of their religious beliefs as wrong. Plus you're assuming that those characters neccessarily applied only to Muslims as there have been religious fanatics from that kill people from other religions. Also while I was only paying halfway attention to that episode I don't believe they actually killed them.

Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
ENT is so sexist, racist

I challenge you to find one episode of Enterprise that is sexist or racist.

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ghola:
Brannon Braga has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not Enterprise is cancelled.

Aside from of course creating such a moribund and superfluous series of characters and situations with Rick Berman in the first place, and writing his usual red anomaly, yellow anomaly stories.

I have a question - does a Berman

in the woods, on just in scripts?

"I threw up on your bed"

JUSTDAVID

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ZiggyKarlos:
And again, thanks to SouthernSlayer, I know you speak for the majority of the Browncoats, including me.

Agreed. Please don't think that those who insist on putting others down are representative of the board as a whole. I've found that the vast majority of people here are "good people with kind hearts."

As for Enterprise, the last I heard was that they planned to keep it on for at least most of next season so that it would have the 100 episodes generally required for syndication. Do you know if that plan has changed?

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ZiggyKarlos:
If you don't like Enterprise, that's fine. I don't like Angel but I still feel their pain. My point is, If I wanted to know what was wrong with Enteprise, or what you guys hate about it, I would have asked that, but I didn't. I was simply trying to raise awareness of this campaign, Thanks for the warm reception.

Not to run the risk of being accussed of heating up the barbeque, but threads have a way of drifting a little off topic, some quicker than others. I'll grant you, this one became a haven for those that don't see a reason for Enterprise, and some of the comments went ott maybe.

That said, the info was there if anyone wanted it, my point of view is if you are a fan and feel strongly, go for your life - I don't see it making a blind bit of a difference, but I may be wrong. However, you suggested an address for Braga to save the series, when as rightly pointed out, he has no real say - by all accounts Berman is on his way out, and Manny Coto seems to have taken a step up, but they produce the show, there is no show if the money is withdrawn.

"I threw up on your bed"

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SouthernSlayer:
Because I know how it feels to loose the show you love and it aint pretty. So why let something someone else loves be destroyed without helping when you can?

Because if you sign for something you don't believe in, what's the point - I sign a petition to keep Enterprise on the air, but don't care a jot for it.

1 - that money could produce a show or two I might like.

2 - the fact the audience doesn't go up means they realise they have been conned, just like the original Trek protests back in the day gave a false view of the numbers.

If you like the show, feel free to contribute to any campaign, if you don't, I feel that you run the risk of devaluing any other campaign in the future.

"I threw up on your bed"

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JustDavid:
As for Enterprise, the last I heard was that they planned to keep it on for at least most of next season so that it would have the 100 episodes generally required for syndication. Do you know if that plan has changed?

Recent quote on this suggested that 100 is no longer the magic number (although the reduced current season length does start the conspiracy vultures hovering).

Dark Horizons is today saying that there is a 12 episode committment with an option for 24. It also says its not clear whether Braga and Berman will remain.

"I threw up on your bed"

HATEHATEHATEFOX

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Here is the replacement...

Warning, I have been drinking
A reality Star Trek show.

A bunch of Fans get put through classic episode scenarios and you kill off three or four a show.

Be worried if they hand you a red shirt

( Hell, it would be better than Enterprise )

I freakin' LOVE this idea!!!!!!!!
Imagine, trivia based physical challenges: Like a time limited removal of 10,000 tribbles from a room.

Very funny - I'd definitely watch it.

~~~~~~~~
Nothing is ever so profoundly regretted as a kind act.
Robertson Davies

BIBSY

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ZiggyKarlos:
If you don't like Enterprise, that's fine. I don't like Angel but I still feel their pain. My point is, If I wanted to know what was wrong with Enteprise, or what you guys hate about it, I would have asked that, but I didn't. I was simply trying to raise awareness of this campaign, Thanks for the warm reception.

You definitely got an undeservedly harsh reception from some, but the worse thing you can do is take it personally. Some people feel a need to express their opinion even when it's not asked for, and some of those people aren't exactly going to be all Mr. Rogers about it. Bating them further won't help. The best you can do is take a deep breath and move on with life.

And as someone else pointed out, you may not have asked for anyone's opinion on Enterprise, but threads often drift off topic, and for better or worse, yours morphed into a debate over the show's pros and cons.

Best of luck to you with your Enterprise campaign. Cheers.

"Were there monkeys? Some terrifying space monkeys maybe got loose?"

PHOENIXSHIP

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:12 PM

Sorry about the crabby few. Good luck the ENT.

"Why're you arguin' what's already been decided?"
Mal to Jayne, "Jaynestown"

HAKEN

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:54 PM

While there's more I don't like about Enterprise than I do, I'm still supporting the Enterprise campaign because the BIG PICTURE is genre television is dying on network TV and in syndication.

So, please, regardless of how you might feel about the series, we need it to stay on the air so that in the future, we'll have a wider selection of genre series to choose from and trash talk about. Without any, we might as well become a CSI, Law and Order, and American Idol drone.

DORAN

Thursday, April 1, 2004 12:52 PM

>>Worse... and this is why I encourage violence - ENT is so sexist, racist, and pro-war it's not even funny that Capt. Archer is based on George Dubya Bush. Which is just wrong. GWB is a criminal and as far as I know, you shouldn't base your protagonists on criminals.>>

Well, my days of not taking you seriously are definitely coming to a middle.

I apologize for mistaking your light hearted "hyperbole" for hatred and bullying. (sic)

At least now I understand what you are shouting about even if I cannot agree with you. Reality TV is worse than even a show with a character based on a President you don't like. Archer is not based on Bush but this is beside the point. I saw the episode you refer to and I actually thought is was one of the better of the bunch, much better than the time travel episodes which are my least favorite.

The writers of Star Trek have always tried to include current events with a twist into their show. I like this approach much better than the tired fall back in the original series of endless visits to "the planet of the nazi's", "the planet of the Greeks", "the planet of the gansters", "or the planet of the Romans" ad infinitum. Oh but you're right, the planet of the hippies was fun.. ;o/

I liked ST:tng despite the fact that many of those episodes had very liberal messages. So liberal in fact that they sometimes they had to bend cast way out of character to deliver their message. (read Riker wanting to marry the genderless Pat thing girl after two weeks of working together)

I agree that Enterprise could emprove somewhat in the total character development arena. As far as writing, however, they have the difficult task of trying to keep the show in it's prequel state. There are some Jean Luc ideas that just wouldn't fly pre Kirk. I would expect those who don't like this to not watch the show.. but attacking those who like the show IS childish, hyperbole not withstanding.

BROWNCOAT1

Thursday, April 1, 2004 2:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Haken:
While there's more I don't like about Enterprise than I do, I'm still supporting the Enterprise campaign because the BIG PICTURE is genre television is dying on network TV and in syndication.

So, please, regardless of how you might feel about the series, we need it to stay on the air so that in the future, we'll have a wider selection of genre series to choose from and trash talk about. Without any, we might as well become a CSI, Law and Order, and American Idol drone.

Agreed.

Leave it to Haken to be the voice of reason.

You will have to forgive some of the more passionate Browncoats here ZiggyKarlos. SouthernSlayer is right in that the majority of Browncoats feel your pain, and have been for going on two years now.

That being said, you need support, you have mine. I may not watch Enterprise, but Haken is right in that genre television is being killed off for the reality garbage that network television is spreading like a plague.

I will compose letters to the aforementioned individuals today and send them off post haste.

Good luck to you and all the other Enterprise fans.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

CAPTAINCDC

Thursday, April 1, 2004 5:13 PM

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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
ENT is the worst show on TV. I gotta wonder about people who trash Firefly for being sexist while this crap show has that battered wife Vulcan whore mentality. The writers (if I can call them that, hmm, no guess not!) reveal thier sick mysoginist minds with every second show. Then they insult the entire Islamic world with thier racist allegories. Oh I could go on and on...

I do hope all my Firefly friends work hard to beat up every ENT fan they see. They deserve it.

What the hell are you so mad about? You don't like the show? Fine, don't watch it. People like you try to ruin any thread that you don't like or agree with. I wonder if you would use the same tough language if you were face to face with the person or persons that you are insulting instead of sitting behind a computer on an anonymous site like this one. Well, I'm a huge fan of Firefly and I like Enterprise as well. You gonna beat me up? You give all of us a bad name. Threatening violence to a fellow Browncoat just because he likes a show that you do not? Give me a break. Oh well, if you must have the blood of an Enterprise fan on your hands, look me up if you are ever in B'ham. But for now, why don't you just accept the fact that people like different things. Just because you don't agree does not make them wrong. I don't watch the majority of the genre shows that are discussed on this site, but I don't bash the people that do enjoy them. Take a break from spewing your hateful words and learn a lesson from Haken.

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

BROWNCOAT1

Thursday, April 1, 2004 5:31 PM

Even joking about physical violence is unworthy of those who would call one another comrade.

I suggest such talk be left for the alley and playground Browncoats.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

GHOULMAN

Thursday, April 1, 2004 7:27 PM

Well, that's three of you attacking my opinion (as if it were unique ). Should I wait until you all get matching metal pipes (with stylish nails) to beat me with?

See, I desided to leave the poor guy who started this thread alone. If you want my opinion just go to the TrekBBS and use the search for posts by Plum. I've already written thousands of pages on it... been there, done that.

Would it freak ya out to find out I was the guy who suggested the so called Xindi arc? Search TrekBBS hard.

Look... everything I wrote has been discussed, written about, and deconstructed, for the last three years regarding ENTERPRISE. If you aren't aware of these things you are living under a rock...

... and don't have a frellin' clue.

Oh, and to add - if ENT does comes back that will nix chances for Firefly returning to the TV. If you don't know why you are stillunder that rock I mentioned.

Peace out. Frell ENT up the warp nacelle. And to the rest of you: grow some sagacity

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Thursday, April 1, 2004 9:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
That being said, you need support, you have mine. I may not watch Enterprise, but Haken is right in that genre television is being killed off for the reality garbage that network television is spreading like a plague.

Now, a lack of genre TV is another matter, but I still don't understand supporting a show you don't watch - why should a studio make a series for people who like the concept of it being on TV, if only it were a different and better show?

I guess what I'm saying is, if you want to support the show, you need to watch it, buy the DVDs, T-shirts and mugs, action figures, comics and calenders and let them see the money flowing into the coffers. Attach all the receipts to your letter saying you like the show, and see if that gets a decent reception.

"I threw up on your bed"

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Thursday, April 1, 2004 10:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Haken:
Without any, we might as well become a CSI, Law and Order, and American Idol drone.

I kinda like CSI! CSI:Miami doesn't work so well for me, and Law and Order leaves me cold.
Bring back Homicide:Life on the Streets I say!

I would guess that if UPN dropped Enterprise, they would rest the Trek brand for a while, but that they would replace it with another genre show - all the networks are aware that SF shows have the ability more than any other genre to merchandise and make money during the life of the show, rather than drip-fed in syndication.

They also have the ability to jump to the movies, and massage the egos of the producers who can leap from TV to film. Every network would like to find the next Star Trek or X-Files and (fingers crossed) Firefly. Heck, they'd kill for a Babylon 5 which has earned plenty in the past 10 years.

We may start seeing more and more that the route to a TV series is via a successful film (see Van Helsing and Transylvania, Serenity and FF (again, crossing the lot) and Out of Sight/Karen Sisco).
Ready made audience (provided the gap isn't too great),aids international sales etc.

"I threw up on your bed"

HAKEN

Thursday, April 1, 2004 10:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Misguided By Voices:
I kinda like CSI! CSI:Miami doesn't work so well for me, and Law and Order leaves me cold.
Bring back Homicide:Life on the Streets I say!

I like CSI too, but the problem is there are too many variations on the same theme. We have CSI, CSI: Miami, CSI: New York, Navy NCIS, and Cold Case. And for Law and Order, we have Law and Order, Law and Order: Criminal Intent, Law and Order: Special Victims Unit. Well, you get the idea.

DARTHVEGAS

Friday, April 2, 2004 6:55 AM

yeah dont flame the guy! I wish him luck. I love the Trek Universe.

Enterprise had some good bits to it, but the Trek Universe peaked with DS9 and First Contact, but since then the franchise has needed a rest desperatly, IMO.

Like I said, good luck, but for the long term of the Trek universe, I hope the let the NX-01 sail off into the sunset.

11THHOUR

Friday, April 2, 2004 7:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Oh, and to add - if ENT does comes back that will nix chances for Firefly returning to the TV. If you don't know why you are stillunder that rock I mentioned.

This is something that always bothered me. I wonder if UPN would have picked up Firefly had Enterprise not been around? Between the two shows, UPN would have done so much better with Firefly.

Ah well...

11thHour

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"And I'd like to be the King of Londinium and wear a shiny hat." - Malcolm Reynolds

JERRY111

Friday, April 2, 2004 8:47 AM

Well, I like Enterprise more now. Season 3 has been a lot better than season 1 and 2.

DECKROID

Friday, April 2, 2004 10:29 AM

I have an idea. Let's get Joss to bring back Firefly on TV with a whole assortment of Firefly related shows.

Firefly, Firefly: Jaynestown, Firefly: Badger's Den, Firefly: Companion's in the City, Firefly: Ariel ER.

I think it would work. I would watch all of 'em!

Oh, and as far as ENT is concerned... PPfffffftttttt... stinky, stinky show!

I call her "Vera"

TOTALLYFRYED

Friday, April 2, 2004 2:43 PM

Sorry to say so, but I've got to jump on the 'not so heartbroken if Enterpise doesn't make it' bandwagon. I used to be a big Star Trek fan, but Firefly has spoiled me. I've gone back in the last year-and-a-half and looked at the original ST, the Next Generation and Enterprise and the thing that stands out about all of those shows is that they portray people as sort of two-dimensional, sitcom-type characters - not a lot of depth. Some of the technical stuff was kind of cool on Next Generation, and there were some comical moments in the original series, but now we have seen what a space-western can be if it's done right, and I now expect this kind of quality from all of the TV shows I watch (must be why I only watch Scrubs, Angel, Wonderfalls and Joan of Arcadia - none of which, by the way, are set in outer space, which is why we fans of space fiction need Firefly back).

Ironically, I loved Scott Bakula in Quantum Leap, and I have to say that I think the performance of the cast of Enterprise is actually pretty good; it's the stories and the writing that put me off of it.

"C'mon, Kaylee. We all know I'm the funny one."

MOHRSTOUTBEARD

Friday, April 2, 2004 3:09 PM

Speaking of "Scrubs," a friend of mine (a convert) got me addicted to the show to repay me for his Firefly addiction.

As for "Enterprise," I caught the tail-end of an episode one time. Scott Bakula kissed a woman, and she turned into a gelatinous slug. My reaction was akin to Mal's after Saffron asked to wash his feet, and I never took another look at the show after that.

"You've just gotta go ahead and change the captain of your brainship, because he's drunk at the wheel."

GHOULMAN

Friday, April 2, 2004 3:21 PM

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Originally posted by 11thHour:
Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Oh, and to add - if ENT does comes back that will nix chances for Firefly returning to the TV. If you don't know why you are stillunder that rock I mentioned.

This is something that always bothered me. I wonder if UPN would have picked up Firefly had Enterprise not been around? Between the two shows, UPN would have done so much better with Firefly.

Ah well...

Good catch. Yes, last year when I was telling people about Firefly I got a huge backlash from the UPN moles on the TrekBBS. Like blogging with brownSHIRTS - Yucko. And I found out that ENT was a big reason Firefly wasn't renewed (mostly about the re-run syndication deals).

It pisses me off that people don't talk about these things on site where such nuance is of PRIMARY importance.

CAPTAINCDC

Friday, April 2, 2004 4:48 PM

I don't believe for one moment that UPN would have picked up Firefly if Enterprise had not been on the air.

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

GHOULMAN

Friday, April 2, 2004 5:19 PM

Funny, would you say the same thing about Buffy the Vampire Slayer and... oh say... Charmed? Yea. See - this is a battle for your mind.

Really, with all the talk by the Media CEOs about how un-scripted shows (so called Reality Shows) are replacing anything resembeling story it's a good bet that no cable or network station would want more than one Sci-Fi show. why? Because it's the same 'thing' to them. Same demographic, same audience, same sponsers. The fact that Firefly is this generations genre classic is beyond any consideration.

Worse, they would buy Trek out of habit.

Since all this is assumed by the CEOs, what incentive would they have for a similair property?

WULFHAWK

Friday, April 2, 2004 5:39 PM

To refer back to the top of this mess --

Ghoulman, you're welcome to come beat up this Enterprise fan -- bring some friends, a stick, and a lunch.

And don't forget your insurance card.

Take my love
Take my land

GHOULMAN

Friday, April 2, 2004 7:07 PM

Just dieing to make me the bad guy eh.

GEORDIESTEVE2003

Friday, April 2, 2004 11:04 PM

Why bother? This show is the antithesis of Firefly, a dead duck in the water and a poor pale bland imitation of how good Star Trek used to be. If you listen to Joss on DVD he says what he really didnt want to do with this show, bumpy foreheads, ambassadors etc, because it had been done and wasn't realistic enough or easy to relate to. The show is terrible pap, let it die, and also, not the best place to post a save campaign for that particular show.

Firefly rules by comparison, brighter and more brilliant in short time then all 3? seasons of Enterprise, I gave up after first, and first 3 eps of second. Boring, repititive, formulaic tv that is neither inspiring, inventive, clever, or interesting.

WULFHAWK

Saturday, April 3, 2004 12:16 AM

I didn't start with the beating up stuff, and I figgered you weren't much with the backing it up, Ghoulyman.

I'm for Star Trek on TV, I'm for Star Trek at the movies . . . I'll watch Starfleet Academy 90210 if I have to. Whatever it takes to keep Star Trek alive despite ugliness and ignorance that oppose it, I'm for it.

Try to remember, folks, that the original Star Trek was pitched as a kind of 'space western', building the very road Firefly travels today. Without Star Trek and the rabid fans who wouldn't let it die, Firefly would NEVER have happened . . .or B5, or any of the wonderful science fiction that's graced television, for that matter.

Also try to remember the original Star Trek pushed the boundries of television then like few other shows ever have. Race, sex, violence, slavery . . . they fearlessly flew where others feared to tread.

Long live Star Trek!
Vivat!
Vivat!
Vivat!

Take my love
Take my land

11THHOUR

Saturday, April 3, 2004 2:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfhawk:
I'm for Star Trek on TV, I'm for Star Trek at the movies . . . I'll watch Starfleet Academy 90210 if I have to. Whatever it takes to keep Star Trek alive despite ugliness and ignorance that oppose it, I'm for it.

Damn straight. Let's not stop there... how about Star Trek Babies, or Star Trek: Trading Spaceships?

Quote:
Try to remember, folks, that the original Star Trek was pitched as a kind of 'space western', building the very road Firefly travels today. Without Star Trek and the rabid fans who wouldn't let it die, Firefly would NEVER have happened . . .or B5, or any of the wonderful science fiction that's graced television, for that matter.

That's right! And if it weren't for Star Trek there would have NEVER been a 2001: A Space Odyssey, or Star Wars, or Buck Rogers in the 25th Century, or ANY brilliant Sci-Fi of ANY kind. Sci-Fi would have stopped dead in it's tracks... why, why... people wouldn't even KNOW what Sci-Fi is without Star Trek!

Quote:
Also try to remember the original Star Trek pushed the boundries of television then like few other shows ever have. Race, sex, violence, slavery . . . they fearlessly flew where others feared to tread.

Long live Star Trek!
Vivat!
Vivat!
Vivat!

Star Trek ROCKS!
(I'm saying this while simultaneously doing the Klingon chest salute AND flashing the Vulcan split finger hand thingie...)

11thHour

11THHOUR

Saturday, April 3, 2004 2:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
It pisses me off that people don't talk about these things on site where such nuance is of PRIMARY importance.

I'm a big Star Trek fan from way back. But I'm not the kind of rabid fan who'll stick with the show long after it's lost what made it great in the first place. If one REALLY is a fan, one needs to speak up when the show seriously falters and become a pale shadow of itself. Otherwise, no changes will be made and people will just keep watching out of habit... like going to the drive-thru restaurant long after the food has lost its flavor.

One of the things that works against Star Trek is its own success. Once it became a "franchise" it stopped being a creative gem, and had to start serving too many masters in order to maintain the "franchise". Star Trek is weighted down like a corporation that has too many presidents and vice presidents, and hasn't invested anything in 'R&D'. Star Trek lost the spark of its early creative vision and keeps producing the same product over and over with a different label.

Firefly is alive, and full of new ideas and experiments... this is what Star Trek USED to be. Firefly is not Star Trek in design, but is its inheritor in spirit. Perhaps this is because a show which is unique and daring requires one, or two, people at the helm guiding the show without having to go through a 'committee'... the "too many cooks" analogy. With Star Trek: TOS it was Gene Roddenberry, and of course with Firefly it is Joss Whedon.

The future of Star Trek may depend on finding a strong, visionary leader, in the spirit of Gene Roddenberry, to take the helm and get the show back on course.

11thHour

WULFHAWK

Saturday, April 3, 2004 5:41 PM

Funny, shortdozen, you should mention some the the recognized classics of science fiction with apparent sarcasm. Odd how personal opinions, however wrong, are sometimes presented as fact.

2001: A Space Odessey, both film and book, are commonly and rightly used to teach folks how to perceive and produce science fiction.

Star Wars was such a huge success, some people fail to consider the huge benchmarks it set for cinema in general and science fiction movies in particular.

And good old Buck Rogers has been with us for something like 50 years...just the name conjures up rayguns and spaceships. Sneer at success as you will, it's simply sour grapes. Hambone acting isn't new; there's ham aplenty in Firefly.

You kids have no idea how good you have it. Imagination was something near impossible to bring to film or television until the last two decades. Science fiction was widely regarded as silly and incomprehensible. Philip Dick, Robert Heinlein, Isaac Asimov, and Arthur C. Clark among many others wrote the stories we are FINALLY seeing in cinema, stories decades old now.

Kids. Oh well.

Take my love
Take my land

SHANNARA

Saturday, April 3, 2004 6:15 PM

kill them all except the doctor. yes, even the friggen dog, the biggest four-legged waste of time on television. then maybe, MAYBE, i'll keep watching.

it's like a train wreck, i find myself watching when i really don't want to be and i'm disgusted with myself afterwards.

on firefly i loved every character (ok i only liked the doctor and the spaz, but they were growing on me), but on enterprise i love the doctor's character and that's it. i don't even like any of the rest. and the freaking uniforms of seven and now t'pal are THE MOST RIDICULOUS AND EMBARASSING CRAP ON SCI-FI TELEVISION TODAY!!!!!

"She ain't movin"

HUMBLE

Saturday, April 3, 2004 6:33 PM

I occassionally watch Enterprise. When I do see the show, it looks like they made improvements in the writing department lately. The acting is so-so. Capt. Archer is a worse Captain than Janeway. The "space hooker"/science officer, is no Jeri Ryan. All the other cast members are NOT memorable! I can't really get into the show or feel attached to it. I feel that the franchise has gone on too long. Maybe they should give it a rest for a while or just retire Star Trek altogether. If this incarnation of Trek bites the dust, I won't miss it. I wish they had started the series with more impressive writing and maybe a different perspective on a show instead of the Starship Enterprise boldly going where nobody has gone before. Hasn't this been done to death already? Does anyone do anything else in the future except ride on starships? Starfleet is so anally retentive and squeaky clean. I can't believe they don't have skeletons in their closets! Explore this kind of stuff. New and different aspects of Star Trek. I'm sorry if this offends Trek fans, but honestly, doesn't it seem like you've been kind of watching the same old stuff for 25 years?

Please bring back Firefly, these other shows SUCK! Oh, burn in Hell fox execs!

GEORDIESTEVE2003

Saturday, April 3, 2004 10:54 PM

Gotta agree with a lot thats been said on here, trainwreck is definately a good description for Enterprise. The real shame of it is, they had a good idea, going backwards was a bit of a surprise to many people, werent too sure, pilot was good, linking it to Zeph Cockrane and all that, and so I was pleased, but then...nothing. Its even more disappointing as some of the actors are obviously talented, they just have nothing to work with. Ok, Scott Bakula, the man is an talented actors and was awesome in Q Leap, but not in this, he is quite terrible. He is stiff and boorish, and then to perk him up, they made him, Mr On The Edge, Grrrr. Didnt work then either. Big problem is people pulling the strings, they think they can just turn the handle on their cash cow, bring in another episode that echoes so many others, and make more money for the franchise. Its lazy TV, purely that. X-file suffered from it at the end, when they too started copying themselves, shame again as good actors, could have been good, same old same old.

Yes we do have it good nowadays in response to another comment in terms of effects and the visualisation of science fiction no longer has to reside just on the page and in the imagination, but that isnt the point of the discussion here, i believe its about bad tv, bad story telling, and people putting out recycled rubbish on the TV. What's worse is, its happening over and over again, did anyone see new star wars films? Or last two Matrix films?? Awesome special effects in all, but that and twenty minutes in each film does not make a good film. Ugh, gonna stop now before I vent my entire spleen.

11THHOUR

Sunday, April 4, 2004 4:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfhawk:
Funny, shortdozen, you should mention some the the recognized classics of science fiction with apparent sarcasm. Odd how personal opinions, however wrong, are sometimes presented as fact.

Oh the sarcasm wasn't apparent, it just wasn't aimed at the classic Sci-Fi works I listed.

For the genre of Sci-Fi stay healthy, and maintain some degree of respect, it needs to be kept alive with new ideas and true creativity. This is especially true of Sci-Fi because it's supposed to encompass the expansiveness and imagaination of human beings.

My disappointment with the latest incarnations of Star Trek is that they've fallen down on the job. Original Star Trek is an iconic classic... the latest versions, not so much.

11thHour

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"Doing the impossible makes us mighty." - Malcolm Reynolds

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Sunday, April 4, 2004 8:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfhawk:
Quote:

Try to remember, folks, that the original Star Trek was pitched as a kind of 'space western', building the very road Firefly travels today. Without Star Trek and the rabid fans who wouldn't let it die, Firefly would NEVER have happened . . .or B5, or any of the wonderful science fiction that's graced television, for that matter.

Which is no reason why Trek should be produced today. You'll find no argument from me that without TOS you likely wouldn't have half or more of the SF shows around. You'll find no argument from me that the Trek movies have all been pretty good, and some have been excellent. Same goes for TNG and DS9, by why does that qualify Enterprise and the Trek industry for a free pass?

If they manage to re-capture the quality of what the show used to be, I'll gladly watch again.

"I threw up on your bed"

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