HELP SAVE ENTERPRISE
POSTED BY: ZiggyKarlos
UPDATED: Sunday, April 4, 2004 20:48
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Sorry to say so, but I've got to jump on the 'not so heartbroken if Enterpise doesn't make it' bandwagon. I used to be a big Star Trek fan, but Firefly has spoiled me. I've gone back in the last year-and-a-half and looked at the original ST, the Next Generation and Enterprise and the thing that stands out about all of those shows is that they portray people as sort of two-dimensional, sitcom-type characters - not a lot of depth. Some of the technical stuff was kind of cool on Next Generation, and there were some comical moments in the original series, but now we have seen what a space-western can be if it's done right, and I now expect this kind of quality from all of the TV shows I watch (must be why I only watch Scrubs, Angel, Wonderfalls and Joan of Arcadia - none of which, by the way, are set in outer space, which is why we fans of space fiction need Firefly back).
Ironically, I loved Scott Bakula in Quantum Leap, and I have to say that I think the performance of the cast of Enterprise is actually pretty good; it's the stories and the writing that put me off of it.
"C'mon, Kaylee. We all know I'm the funny one."
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Speaking of "Scrubs," a friend of mine (a convert) got me addicted to the show to repay me for his Firefly addiction.
As for "Enterprise," I caught the tail-end of an episode one time. Scott Bakula kissed a woman, and she turned into a gelatinous slug. My reaction was akin to Mal's after Saffron asked to wash his feet, and I never took another look at the show after that.
"You've just gotta go ahead and change the captain of your brainship, because he's drunk at the wheel."
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Originally posted by 11thHour:Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Oh, and to add - if ENT does comes back that will nix chances for Firefly returning to the TV. If you don't know why you are stillunder that rock I mentioned.
This is something that always bothered me. I wonder if UPN would have picked up Firefly had Enterprise not been around? Between the two shows, UPN would have done so much better with Firefly.
Ah well...
Good catch. Yes, last year when I was telling people about Firefly I got a huge backlash from the UPN moles on the TrekBBS. Like blogging with brownSHIRTS - Yucko. And I found out that ENT was a big reason Firefly wasn't renewed (mostly about the re-run syndication deals).
It pisses me off that people don't talk about these things on site where such nuance is of PRIMARY importance.
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I don't believe for one moment that UPN would have picked up Firefly if Enterprise had not been on the air.
May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.
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Funny, would you say the same thing about Buffy the Vampire Slayer and... oh say... Charmed? Yea. See - this is a battle for your mind.
Really, with all the talk by the Media CEOs about how un-scripted shows (so called Reality Shows) are replacing anything resembeling story it's a good bet that no cable or network station would want more than one Sci-Fi show. why? Because it's the same 'thing' to them. Same demographic, same audience, same sponsers. The fact that Firefly is this generations genre classic is beyond any consideration.
Worse, they would buy Trek out of habit.
Since all this is assumed by the CEOs, what incentive would they have for a similair property?
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To refer back to the top of this mess --
Ghoulman, you're welcome to come beat up this Enterprise fan -- bring some friends, a stick, and a lunch.
And don't forget your insurance card.
Take my love
Take my land
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Just dieing to make me the bad guy eh.
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Why bother? This show is the antithesis of Firefly, a dead duck in the water and a poor pale bland imitation of how good Star Trek used to be. If you listen to Joss on DVD he says what he really didnt want to do with this show, bumpy foreheads, ambassadors etc, because it had been done and wasn't realistic enough or easy to relate to. The show is terrible pap, let it die, and also, not the best place to post a save campaign for that particular show.
Firefly rules by comparison, brighter and more brilliant in short time then all 3? seasons of Enterprise, I gave up after first, and first 3 eps of second. Boring, repititive, formulaic tv that is neither inspiring, inventive, clever, or interesting.
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I didn't start with the beating up stuff, and I figgered you weren't much with the backing it up, Ghoulyman.
I'm for Star Trek on TV, I'm for Star Trek at the movies . . . I'll watch Starfleet Academy 90210 if I have to. Whatever it takes to keep Star Trek alive despite ugliness and ignorance that oppose it, I'm for it.
Try to remember, folks, that the original Star Trek was pitched as a kind of 'space western', building the very road Firefly travels today. Without Star Trek and the rabid fans who wouldn't let it die, Firefly would NEVER have happened . . .or B5, or any of the wonderful science fiction that's graced television, for that matter.
Also try to remember the original Star Trek pushed the boundries of television then like few other shows ever have. Race, sex, violence, slavery . . . they fearlessly flew where others feared to tread.
Long live Star Trek!
Vivat!
Vivat!
Vivat!
Take my love
Take my land
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Originally posted by Wulfhawk:
I'm for Star Trek on TV, I'm for Star Trek at the movies . . . I'll watch Starfleet Academy 90210 if I have to. Whatever it takes to keep Star Trek alive despite ugliness and ignorance that oppose it, I'm for it.
Damn straight. Let's not stop there... how about Star Trek Babies, or Star Trek: Trading Spaceships?
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Try to remember, folks, that the original Star Trek was pitched as a kind of 'space western', building the very road Firefly travels today. Without Star Trek and the rabid fans who wouldn't let it die, Firefly would NEVER have happened . . .or B5, or any of the wonderful science fiction that's graced television, for that matter.
That's right! And if it weren't for Star Trek there would have NEVER been a 2001: A Space Odyssey, or Star Wars, or Buck Rogers in the 25th Century, or ANY brilliant Sci-Fi of ANY kind. Sci-Fi would have stopped dead in it's tracks... why, why... people wouldn't even KNOW what Sci-Fi is without Star Trek!
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Also try to remember the original Star Trek pushed the boundries of television then like few other shows ever have. Race, sex, violence, slavery . . . they fearlessly flew where others feared to tread.
Long live Star Trek!
Vivat!
Vivat!
Vivat!
Star Trek ROCKS!
(I'm saying this while simultaneously doing the Klingon chest salute AND flashing the Vulcan split finger hand thingie...)
11thHour
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