HELP SAVE ENTERPRISE
POSTED BY: ZiggyKarlos
UPDATED: Sunday, April 4, 2004 20:48
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Doran wrote:
Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:26
Ghoulman - "ENT is the worst show on TV."
Oh boy, is this ever an emotional and very exaggerated statement. Come on you can't tell me that you seriously believe that Enterprise is the worst show on TV. Sure it's not Firefly.. but I can come up with a page full of show on TV that I think are worse than this. Heck reality TV alone provide a whole host.
My advice (for people who don't want to be taken with a grain of salt) is to not attack but instead take a step back, then say what you mean like an adult.
Yeaaa... that's a good point and I want to commend a person who has the balls to chide someone for thier hyperbole because it's, er... childish.
What colour is the sky on your Vulcan?
Look, you have a point of course but ENT is a show that can't remember what happened from Act I to Act II (like the number of miners trapped... actual case!). Sure, that show has wide screen and all that slick looking FX but it's hollow and mean and terrible. It's not that Reality Shows are more horrid than ENT, they aren't. Why? Because ENT manages to be horrible in far more ways that a simple Reality Show could dream.
Worse... and this is why I encourage violence - ENT is so sexist, racist, and pro-war it's not even funny that Capt. Archer is based on George Dubya Bush. Which is just wrong. GWB is a criminal and as far as I know, you shouldn't base your protagonists on criminals.
I could go on and on.
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Originally posted by Ghola:Quote:Oh. *chuckle*, I don't know the eps name but this last winter I saw the ad for an ep where 'Fanatical Religious Suiside Bombers' attack ENT. It was juuuuuuust incrediblely horrible. Racist to the extreem with an ending moral that reads something like it's ok to kill them, they aren't actually people.
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Actually according to your post it was the opinion of "entire Islamic world" and while I'm on the topic how is it insulting the entire islamic world with racist allegories?
Can't tell ya how much I miss Kirk, Spock, and Bones. That was a real show. Hey, bet you'd never see ENTs Vulcan Camel Toe jamming with space hippies!
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Originally posted by Misguided By Voices:Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Trust me, I have had my time on the TrekBBS and there are about 16 TV producers out there that hate my guts.
So what's that, about a third of the number of producers on one episode of Enterprise?
Line-Dance Producer
Co-Ed-Executive Producer
"They gave me this title because they were out of free t-shirts when I got to the head of the line" producer
"My other show is reality based" producer
lol! I think the last one referes to Mike Sussman? hahahahaha!
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Originally posted by BadgersHat:
Damn folks... I know Enterprise is decidedly inferior to the other Treks (excluding Voyager, which is a whole nother issue of mine), but come on! Let's get real here--there's a terrible lack of halfway decent SciFi series on network TV, and even if it's only in that halfway category, Enterprise fills a void.
I see your point here, but I have to disagree with the idea that because there's a lack of high quality sci-fi, we should get behind the inferior shows. If you stick with the lower quality, than the networks probably aren't going to try real hard to give you anything more than that. You've set a standard for them that's easier for them to meet. They would probably revel in the opportunity to maniacally say, "Look! We can make utter crap and they'll still watch because it's all they have!"
IMHO, the best way to combat the lack of good sci-fi on tv is to not watch the inferior shows just because they're there and put up one hell of a fight when the networks try to axe the good stuff.
I gave Enterprise a chance when it first aired, and much like Voyager, it didn't work for me at all. I found nothing intriguing about the characters, and the stories had nothing new to offer. The few episodes I saw were better than some other garbage I've seen on tv, but I refuse to stick with it just because it's ever so slightly better than nothing. I'd rather go read a good book.
"Were there monkeys? Some terrifying space monkeys maybe got loose?"
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Quote:I was at the TrekBBS a year ago (as Plum) and yea, I'm not being completely true. That is, there is a sub-group of actual people posting there. I assume you are referring to thier 'Neutral Zone' forum which is full of every cheese eating high school fanboy in America so be prepared for the flamin'
Originally posted by xion47:
I don't mean to disillusion you, but there are more "Firefly" and ME fans on the TrekBBS than there are here. If I want an interesting FF conversation, I always find it there before I do here. This is not to diss this site, it's wonderful, it's simply that TrekBBS has way more members there and subsequently more Browncoats. I mean, the Fireflygasm thread over there has more posts than the one here. The new "Angel" threads are always much longer and more insightful than the ones here, only because there are more fans of JW over there.
'Trek as it is now is a joke, and the least used forums at TrekBBS are the Star Trek ones. In fact, the most active forum is the misc Sci-Fi/Fant one. That's where all the Browncoats are; you should check it out.
But in general and as a matter of policy for a commercial forum like that one - posts about other shows are not 'desirable content' as Marketing puts it. So, expect some mysterious contention to anything not Trek loving. However, there are some terrific people there, I wish they had a place online that didn't actively try to put them (and the Original Trek) down so much. It's a flame war everyday.
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Hey guys. Im certainly no Star Trek Enterprise fan but I do have to say I am really surprised and digussted in the way in which most of the other Browncoats in this thread have treated someone who has come seeking some assistance. It wasn't too long ago that we were looking to gather as much support as we possible could. At the time I was disgusted with some peoples resposes to our pleas. Infact some people even went out of there way to insult Firefly. Of all the people that I might have expected to behave in this fashion I never thought it would be Browncoats taking into consideration our struggle to keep our show. The people in this thread almost make me ashamed to be a Browncoat. Despite my less than overwhelming love of Enterprise I will still support it by signing there petitions. And why? Because I know how it feels to loose the show you love and it aint pretty. So why let something someone else loves be destroyed without helping when you can?
"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."
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Wow,
I just want to thank you SouthernSlayer for putting how i feel into words perfectly. As I stated in my first post, I came to this site because of what happened to Firefly and I figured that if anyone could understand the feeling of losing a show they love, it would be you guys. When Firefly got the axe, I wrote in, now I am doing the same for another show I love.
I really don't care if a bunch of people don't like Enterprise, I way trying to reach the people who do and let them know what they can do. The day I posted the first msg, I went to about six other message boards (only one of them trek) and by far, this is the worst reception I've gotten. I couldn't believe it. I remember back when John Doe was going to be cancelled (another show i fought for) and people on this board helped out, sent messages of sympathy to JD fans. So what's changed?
If you don't like Enterprise, that's fine. I don't like Angel but I still feel their pain. My point is, If I wanted to know what was wrong with Enteprise, or what you guys hate about it, I would have asked that, but I didn't. I was simply trying to raise awareness of this campaign, Thanks for the warm reception.
And again, thanks to SouthernSlayer, I know you speak for the majority of the Browncoats, including me.
-Karl
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You feel the pain? Yikes! Anyho' - Remember that some of us have gotten the same treatment from Trek sites when Firefly is mentioned.
You might detect a bit o' bitterness
Also, some people don't feel the need to support anything genre just because it is. Some of us only support shows because they are great shows.
And on the flip side, some of us don't support shows inclined to insulting the viewer. Call me crazy.
P.S - stop whinning about people posting thier opinions. That is what this crap technology is for! 
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
it's not even funny that Capt. Archer is based on George Dubya Bush. Which is just wrong. GWB is a criminal and as far as I know, you shouldn't base your protagonists on criminals.
Show me some proof that Archer is based off of Bush and besides that Malcolm Reynolds is a criminal.
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Oh. *chuckle*, I don't know the eps name but this last winter I saw the ad for an ep where 'Fanatical Religious Suiside Bombers' attack ENT. It was juuuuuuust incrediblely horrible. Racist to the extreem with an ending moral that reads something like it's ok to kill them, they aren't actually people.
So are you saying that 'Fanatical religious suicide bombers' are okay because I really don't have a problem with a TV show portraying characters that kill people because of their religious beliefs as wrong. Plus you're assuming that those characters neccessarily applied only to Muslims as there have been religious fanatics from that kill people from other religions. Also while I was only paying halfway attention to that episode I don't believe they actually killed them.
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
ENT is so sexist, racist
I challenge you to find one episode of Enterprise that is sexist or racist.
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Originally posted by Ghola:
Brannon Braga has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not Enterprise is cancelled.
Aside from of course creating such a moribund and superfluous series of characters and situations with Rick Berman in the first place, and writing his usual red anomaly, yellow anomaly stories.
I have a question - does a Berman
in the woods, on just in scripts?"I threw up on your bed"
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