HELP SAVE ENTERPRISE

POSTED BY: ZiggyKarlos
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JUSTDAVID

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:17 PM

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Originally posted by ZiggyKarlos:
And again, thanks to SouthernSlayer, I know you speak for the majority of the Browncoats, including me.

Agreed. Please don't think that those who insist on putting others down are representative of the board as a whole. I've found that the vast majority of people here are "good people with kind hearts."

As for Enterprise, the last I heard was that they planned to keep it on for at least most of next season so that it would have the 100 episodes generally required for syndication. Do you know if that plan has changed?

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:32 PM

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Originally posted by ZiggyKarlos:
If you don't like Enterprise, that's fine. I don't like Angel but I still feel their pain. My point is, If I wanted to know what was wrong with Enteprise, or what you guys hate about it, I would have asked that, but I didn't. I was simply trying to raise awareness of this campaign, Thanks for the warm reception.

Not to run the risk of being accussed of heating up the barbeque, but threads have a way of drifting a little off topic, some quicker than others. I'll grant you, this one became a haven for those that don't see a reason for Enterprise, and some of the comments went ott maybe.

That said, the info was there if anyone wanted it, my point of view is if you are a fan and feel strongly, go for your life - I don't see it making a blind bit of a difference, but I may be wrong. However, you suggested an address for Braga to save the series, when as rightly pointed out, he has no real say - by all accounts Berman is on his way out, and Manny Coto seems to have taken a step up, but they produce the show, there is no show if the money is withdrawn.

"I threw up on your bed"

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:35 PM

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Originally posted by SouthernSlayer:
Because I know how it feels to loose the show you love and it aint pretty. So why let something someone else loves be destroyed without helping when you can?

Because if you sign for something you don't believe in, what's the point - I sign a petition to keep Enterprise on the air, but don't care a jot for it.

1 - that money could produce a show or two I might like.

2 - the fact the audience doesn't go up means they realise they have been conned, just like the original Trek protests back in the day gave a false view of the numbers.

If you like the show, feel free to contribute to any campaign, if you don't, I feel that you run the risk of devaluing any other campaign in the future.

"I threw up on your bed"

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:38 PM

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Originally posted by JustDavid:
As for Enterprise, the last I heard was that they planned to keep it on for at least most of next season so that it would have the 100 episodes generally required for syndication. Do you know if that plan has changed?

Recent quote on this suggested that 100 is no longer the magic number (although the reduced current season length does start the conspiracy vultures hovering).

Dark Horizons is today saying that there is a 12 episode committment with an option for 24. It also says its not clear whether Braga and Berman will remain.

"I threw up on your bed"

HATEHATEHATEFOX

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:59 PM

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Here is the replacement...

Warning, I have been drinking
A reality Star Trek show.

A bunch of Fans get put through classic episode scenarios and you kill off three or four a show.

Be worried if they hand you a red shirt

( Hell, it would be better than Enterprise )

I freakin' LOVE this idea!!!!!!!!
Imagine, trivia based physical challenges: Like a time limited removal of 10,000 tribbles from a room.

Very funny - I'd definitely watch it.

~~~~~~~~
Nothing is ever so profoundly regretted as a kind act.
Robertson Davies

BIBSY

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:03 PM

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Originally posted by ZiggyKarlos:
If you don't like Enterprise, that's fine. I don't like Angel but I still feel their pain. My point is, If I wanted to know what was wrong with Enteprise, or what you guys hate about it, I would have asked that, but I didn't. I was simply trying to raise awareness of this campaign, Thanks for the warm reception.

You definitely got an undeservedly harsh reception from some, but the worse thing you can do is take it personally. Some people feel a need to express their opinion even when it's not asked for, and some of those people aren't exactly going to be all Mr. Rogers about it. Bating them further won't help. The best you can do is take a deep breath and move on with life.

And as someone else pointed out, you may not have asked for anyone's opinion on Enterprise, but threads often drift off topic, and for better or worse, yours morphed into a debate over the show's pros and cons.

Best of luck to you with your Enterprise campaign. Cheers.

"Were there monkeys? Some terrifying space monkeys maybe got loose?"

PHOENIXSHIP

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:12 PM

Sorry about the crabby few. Good luck the ENT.

"Why're you arguin' what's already been decided?"
Mal to Jayne, "Jaynestown"

HAKEN

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:54 PM

While there's more I don't like about Enterprise than I do, I'm still supporting the Enterprise campaign because the BIG PICTURE is genre television is dying on network TV and in syndication.

So, please, regardless of how you might feel about the series, we need it to stay on the air so that in the future, we'll have a wider selection of genre series to choose from and trash talk about. Without any, we might as well become a CSI, Law and Order, and American Idol drone.

DORAN

Thursday, April 1, 2004 12:52 PM

>>Worse... and this is why I encourage violence - ENT is so sexist, racist, and pro-war it's not even funny that Capt. Archer is based on George Dubya Bush. Which is just wrong. GWB is a criminal and as far as I know, you shouldn't base your protagonists on criminals.>>

Well, my days of not taking you seriously are definitely coming to a middle.

I apologize for mistaking your light hearted "hyperbole" for hatred and bullying. (sic)

At least now I understand what you are shouting about even if I cannot agree with you. Reality TV is worse than even a show with a character based on a President you don't like. Archer is not based on Bush but this is beside the point. I saw the episode you refer to and I actually thought is was one of the better of the bunch, much better than the time travel episodes which are my least favorite.

The writers of Star Trek have always tried to include current events with a twist into their show. I like this approach much better than the tired fall back in the original series of endless visits to "the planet of the nazi's", "the planet of the Greeks", "the planet of the gansters", "or the planet of the Romans" ad infinitum. Oh but you're right, the planet of the hippies was fun.. ;o/

I liked ST:tng despite the fact that many of those episodes had very liberal messages. So liberal in fact that they sometimes they had to bend cast way out of character to deliver their message. (read Riker wanting to marry the genderless Pat thing girl after two weeks of working together)

I agree that Enterprise could emprove somewhat in the total character development arena. As far as writing, however, they have the difficult task of trying to keep the show in it's prequel state. There are some Jean Luc ideas that just wouldn't fly pre Kirk. I would expect those who don't like this to not watch the show.. but attacking those who like the show IS childish, hyperbole not withstanding.

BROWNCOAT1

Thursday, April 1, 2004 2:06 PM

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Originally posted by Haken:
While there's more I don't like about Enterprise than I do, I'm still supporting the Enterprise campaign because the BIG PICTURE is genre television is dying on network TV and in syndication.

So, please, regardless of how you might feel about the series, we need it to stay on the air so that in the future, we'll have a wider selection of genre series to choose from and trash talk about. Without any, we might as well become a CSI, Law and Order, and American Idol drone.

Agreed.

Leave it to Haken to be the voice of reason.

You will have to forgive some of the more passionate Browncoats here ZiggyKarlos. SouthernSlayer is right in that the majority of Browncoats feel your pain, and have been for going on two years now.

That being said, you need support, you have mine. I may not watch Enterprise, but Haken is right in that genre television is being killed off for the reality garbage that network television is spreading like a plague.

I will compose letters to the aforementioned individuals today and send them off post haste.

Good luck to you and all the other Enterprise fans.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

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