Another 'Religion of Peace' moment, brought to you by.....yep, ISLAM!
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Wednesday, February 12, 2025 15:05
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Originally posted by kaneman:Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
And as much as some would like to believe otherwise, there are Christian monsters and murderers as well, even in this day and age.
Really. I have a challenge. Everyday I will post killings of people(now ..currently) in the name of Allah...you do the same about people killed in the name of Jesus(who happens to be a fictional character praised in the minds of idiots...as is Mohammad).....What say you Mister "so do Christians"...again saying Bush is a christian does not count unless you can find the pope or a high ranking catholic(bishop=immam) agreeing. Don't forget O'bama is a christiandumb ass.
Actually a nice try Kane. The problem as you began to realise is that we cannot all agree on the 'weight' of evil of the Iraq invasions (or other actions of Christians), and how much of it is down to the influence of Christianity. We all have our own take on it, influenced by our individual biases. Start to move away from evil-balancing scales, how you measure it in your mind's eye is very different to how Kwicko measures it in his mind (you're only moving towards another debate on the Iraq war this way). See you on the other side...
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River, act like a character from Deadwood and tell this smarmy cock-sucker how you really feel.
If you really love her Kaneman, let her go.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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A "religion of peace" interview, followed by a spirited discussion.....
Moderate Muslims, like the regular old normal Ground Zero mosque folks? They're clearly not "Terrorists", so what are they then? My liberal friends wanna take a crack at this?
How 'bout my gay friends out there? Like what you see?
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Opposition to the Terror Mosque is actually growing. Latest polls show 70% oppose now, while only 24% approve. Hard to believe that 70% of all Americans, Liberals and Muslims included, are just so wrong, and so bigoted. Must be just pure hell around the water coolers at NBC & NY Times. Great to see that Katie Couric's ratings have just dropped to an all time low, a number so low in viewership that even Dan Rather never approached it before he got the boot. How'd that old KISS song go again?....Oh oh tears are falling!
Hard to believe that you think the rights of Americans should be decided by opinion polls. You don't think that many Americans could be so wrong and so bigoted? Really? What if I were to show you the polling data from the 60s, where fully 80% of Americans polled believed that interracial marriage should be illegal?
I guess in your book, they were 100% correct.
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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.
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Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.
Is this the same era that close to 80% of republicans voted for the civil rights act while only 47% of democrats did.... in the senate? And similar % in the house. You seem to love ancient history. You know, the crusades, Bush, the sixties.....Keep it relevant.
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Originally posted by kpo:Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
And as much as some would like to believe otherwise, there are Christian monsters and murderers as well, even in this day and age.
Really. I have a challenge. Everyday I will post killings of people(now ..currently) in the name of Allah...you do the same about people killed in the name of Jesus(who happens to be a fictional character praised in the minds of idiots...as is Mohammad).....What say you Mister "so do Christians"...again saying Bush is a christian does not count unless you can find the pope or a high ranking catholic(bishop=immam) agreeing. Don't forget O'bama is a christian
Actually a nice try Kane. The problem as you began to realise is that we cannot all agree on the 'weight' of evil of the Iraq invasions (or other actions of Christians), and how much of it is down to the influence of Christianity. We all have our own take on it, influenced by our individual biases. Start to move away from evil-balancing scales, how you measure it in your mind's eye is very different to how Kwicko measures it in his mind (you're only moving towards another debate on the Iraq war this way). See you on the other side...Quote:
River, act like a character from Deadwood and tell this smarmy cock-sucker how you really feel.
If you really love her Kaneman, let her go.
It's not personal. It's just war.
My soulmate did it again. How is the Iraq invasion a Christian thing? I'm pretty sure my congress voted for it and voted to fund it. Is congress Christian? Seeing it was passed with only Ron Paul and that creature with the hot wife... Dennis Kusinich-something opposing it. I find it quite a stretch to call that a Christian invasion.....I call for another retraction
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
My pal, the Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist for The Washington Post, Charles Krauthammer, wrote a great piece on this today called The Last Refuge of a Liberal. Read it if you like.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/26/AR2010
082605233.html
My favorite part is at the end..."The Democrats are going to get beaten badly in November. Not just because the economy is ailing. And not just because Obama over-read his mandate in governing too far left. But because a comeuppance is due the arrogant elites whose undisguised contempt for the great unwashed prevents them from conceding a modicum of serious thought to those who dare oppose them."
Yes Charles I agree. The progressive elitists, those that lecture us every day about what is right and wrong, will soon be knocked off their high perch of self-imposed superiority.
You are an Islamophobic, nativistic, bigot...who happens to throw around economics to make a point...Shame on you.
fantastic article.
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
A "religion of peace" interview, followed by a spirited discussion.....
Moderate Muslims, like the regular old normal Ground Zero mosque folks? They're clearly not "Terrorists", so what are they then? My liberal friends wanna take a crack at this?
How 'bout my gay friends out there? Like what you see?
Kwicko, what say you? Do you really want to be thrown from a tall building(maybe even the "Community Center" at ground zero) for being gay? After watching this I my convert and worship Allah....fantastic law...this sharia...BUILD BABY BUILD.....BUILD BABY BUILD.....
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Originally posted by kaneman:Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
My pal, the Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist for The Washington Post, Charles Krauthammer, wrote a great piece on this today called The Last Refuge of a Liberal. Read it if you like.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/26/AR2010
082605233.html
My favorite part is at the end..."The Democrats are going to get beaten badly in November. Not just because the economy is ailing. And not just because Obama over-read his mandate in governing too far left. But because a comeuppance is due the arrogant elites whose undisguised contempt for the great unwashed prevents them from conceding a modicum of serious thought to those who dare oppose them."
Yes Charles I agree. The progressive elitists, those that lecture us every day about what is right and wrong, will soon be knocked off their high perch of self-imposed superiority.
You are an Islamophobic, nativistic, bigot...who happens to throw around economics to make a point...Shame on you.
Meredith Brooks wrote something closer to what I really am Kman......
"Yesterday I cried.
You must have been relieved
To see the softer side,
I can understand how you'd be so confused,
I don't envy you.
I'm a little bit of everything
all rolled into one
I'm a bitch,
I'm a lover,
I'm a child,
I'm a mother,
I'm a sinner,
I'm a saint,
and I do not feel ashamed.
I'm your hell,
I'm your dream,
I'm nothing in between.
You know you wouldn't want it any other way.
So take me as I am,
This may mean you'll have to be a stronger man.
Rest assured that when I start to make you nervous, and I'm going to extremes:
Tomorrow I will change,
And today won't mean a thing
I'm a bitch,
I'm a tease,
I'm a goddess on my knees.
When you hurt,
When you suffer,
I'm your angel undercover.
I've been numb,
I'm revived,
Can't say I'm not alive,
You know I wouldn't want it any other way.
Just when you think you've got me figured out,
The season's already changin'.
I think it's cool you do what you do
And don't try to save me."
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My soulmate did it again. How is the Iraq invasion a Christian thing?
Kwicko can tell you. And I warned you...
It's not personal. It's just war.
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This sucker’s still going on, eh? And here I thought everything that needed saying had been said. I should have realized that would mean nothing...sigh...
Trader, before I say anything else, let me say that my experience with Republicans has exactly mirrored yours with Democrats. Interestingly, in this place, what I see is liberals being quite content to debate things—with a few exceptions completely void of personal attacks—while conservatives—with a few exceptions--usually joining a discussion spouting hate, derogatory personal attacks, and obscenities. But our discussions here seem to show me that we’re pretty equal in making our points, valid or not in the other side’s opinion, snarking personally and responding to other people’s points.
I’m going to break down this thread to make my point. Most likely none will read it, but I think it's a relatively accurate refutation on your statement about liberals:Quote:
It starts OUT right away with an incident portrayed by a conservative about a country run amok with no government, no police, etc., as being a statement against Muslims.
The response is a reasonable reply that there are extremists everywhere, they do not represent rational people, followed by, yes, a personal attack with one salient point:Quote:
Then comes a point that, despite all the violence, nobody claims all Mexicans are violent.
No one is denying the existence of Muslim extremists. We just don't see their existence as proof that all Muslims are extremists.
The response states flatly that “some are denying the existence of Muslim extremists”, which is patently untrue, and the point of the post is to say liberals are unable to see that truth. Then a personal slur, and a snark in response to the personal slur.
Next a comparison to the lack of calling Mexican catholics all monsters, and the cogent point that ‘There's plenty of monsters in every religion”, and a snark about the personal slur.
The reply refutes the Mexico thing because the Mexicans is drug lords, not religion. The response is frustration at the comparison between Christians and Muslims, with the point that only Muslims are embarked on a world-wide movement and that until Christians do so “everywhere at the edge of the sword, such comparisons are feeble and silly”
Then agreement with the lack of need to compare the religions, and the fact that, once again, essentially “there are monsters in both religions”.
The reply agrees, saying sort of “history doesn’t count”. The responder points out perspective, that "Zoo A is within my antelope tolerance level. I am prepared to tolerate X amount of antelopes, but X+1 antelopes gives me a tizzy."
The response misinterprets the previous discussion by characterizing it thus: “because Christians may be assholes, jihadists are actually soft and fuzzy in comparison”, which is not at all accurate.
There follows a good point as to which scares the poster more, “Christian fundies or Muslim fundies?” and how Christian extremists are more of a personal threat to those in America.
The reply is the comparison “9/11 has always paled in terms of practical damage when compared to how we responded to it. And how we CONTINUE to respond to it.”
The response offers a personal reaction to “fundies” in general.
I came in with an attempt at perspective between America as a Christian nation and what America’s done as a result of the visceral fear of Islam, reference and refutation that the original post of the thread refers to something happening far away in a lawless country, and the point that the discussion reflects that some people DO “blame Islam for 9/11.
The reply opines that the concept that all Muslims are evil is bullshit
I agreed with Cav that the Muslim extremists aren’t a power compared to us, and that we should look to who is fostering the anti-Muslim propaganda to see who is the REAL enemy.
Story challenges the statement that anyone disputes there are Muslim terrorists.
And on and on...where exactly do
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Back to the discussion at hand. I disagree with you to an extent:Quote:
I don’t know if you mean lack of current political strength or personal strength...if you mean the former, I don’t think that has anything to do with intolerance except in an ancillary way. It is PERSONAL strength or weakness, to me, which determines tolerance. A “majority” can easily become a mob, but among them, it is generally those who are of the weakest self-confidence who are the most easily led and manipulated. That exists in people regardless of their political affiliation or religion or anything else, I believe.
However, in the context of tolerance being dependent on strength, I can't fault them for being incapable of tolerance due to their position of inferior relative strength, right?
I don’t blame Bush or Christianity for all the nation’s problems, by a long shot. They’ve been CONTRIBUTORY, but a lot more went into our financial mess than Bush alone, or Christianity alone, or the combination. I do fault Bush’s policies, his advisors, and the mentality in his administration (appoint incompetent cronies, deregulate, lower taxes for the wealthy, cow-tow to Wall Street, lack of oversight and more) for the economic mess, and that the backing he got from the Christian Right helped him get into office and he in return increased their ability to affect laws, etc. But there are many to blame for the recession, and everything else that’s gone wrong, not just Bush or religion.
Bang on Cav:Quote:
And the “mosque” thing IS irrelevant. I’m finally seeing SOME sources call it the COMMUNITY CENTER it is, but it’s become the current vernacular, and those who are propagandizing it have made it so. Whatever you call it, the fact remains that it IS NOT A MOSQUE. Has nothing to do with the reference.
Fear knows no political affiliation.
Also on the “symbolic places”...again, that is irrelevant. I don’t consider Ground Zero symbolic and it raises nothing but sadness to me. I wish they’d rebuild so it had less of an effect, was less of an open sore on the land. But different people consider different places symbolic; personally, I found St. Mark’s Square in Venice one of my major ones—not by choice, but because for some reason, all three times we have gone there in my adult life, I start to cry. Not sadness or happiness, just (I’m betting) a reaction to the time I visited there as a child with my parents. I don’t know why. That it is symbolic to some is fine, but it has nothing to do with the REAL reasons for the furor...making it symbolic (or more so) has been a political talking point further used to incite resentment.Quote:
Oh, I LOVE that. Maybe a “mental enema and proper food (i.e., intelligence/education)”, eh?
because Palin Syndrome is entirely preventable with proper mental hygiene.
I love Quote:
too, Mike.
A Sarah-Palin-drome, however, is always more backwards than forward
Trader, I don’t think anyone (here at least) thinks of anyone who disagrees with Obama’s policies is a racist. It’s the ones who express themselves with visceral terms and portray him as the end of America, etc., who are being manipulated by appeals to their (conscious or unconscious) racism. If people did nothing but disagree with his policies, I don’t think the cry of “racism” would ever have come up...certainly not by those of us who THINK. But they haven’t been, for the most part; the appeal has been to see him as “the other” as a PERSON, and the talk has been about him being not an American, some kind of anti-Christ, not a Christian but a CLOSET Muslim, etc.
By the way, I find the past quite relevant...and so does the Right. How often do we hear The Great God Reagan intoned? If people can reach that far back, then the previous administration is fair game, and NO President acts in a vacuum, all Presidents’ administration have to deal with what was left for them.
As to why the Iraq invasion was a “Christian” war. As I remarked to someone regarding this (not here),
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