Another 'Religion of Peace' moment, brought to you by.....yep, ISLAM!
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Wednesday, February 12, 2025 15:05
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Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"Now you're gettin' it! No need for any pretenses here, right Anthony?"
Hello,
Indeed.
The U.S. Military and Oil Companies can get a joint slogan like, 'WE WILL F*CK YOU AND TAKE YOUR STUFF.'
The Republicans can hold up signs saying, 'WE LOVE FREEDOM UNTIL IT MAKES US UNCOMFORTABLE.'
The Muslims can hold up signs saying, 'WE DON'T SPEAK UP ENOUGH WHEN PEOPLE MURDER IN THE NAME OF OUR GOD.'
The Catholics can hold up signs saying, 'WE REMEMBER THE GOOD OLD DAYS WHEN WE WERE JUST LIKE YOU.'
The Democrats can hold up signs saying, 'WE WILL KEEP YOUR FREEDOMS FOR YOU IN A SAFE PLACE.'
No more pretenses for anyone.
--Anthony
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Oh God, I mean like that's so wonderfully liberating, isn't it dude? I'm in humble awe of your newly supercharged sarcasm...congrats!
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RL, while I appreciate STRONGLY your efforts to abandon the gutterspeak and personal attacks, I wish it could expand to eliminating the derogatory political over-dramatizations. I’ve stopped calling it FauxNews and Dumbya for the same reasons as snarking, that it doesn’t further the discussion/debate, it only acts as a slightly less offensive trigger to the reader. It’s just a wish, to ASK it would be to put an unfair burden on anyone and I have no right to anyway, I just am jarred now when it is there and seeing how it degrades the points you make. Nothing more.
Mincing, again, Quote:
disregards the historical violence of Christian actions in the name of Christianity, which I offered in several places. THIS brand of Islam is no more violent, and, again, if your read the article I offered regarding the indoctrination of our own military, and bear in mind that we invaded two sovereign states in our recent past, which invasions were CALLED “crusades” by our then-President, which invasions were undertaken “with god on our side”, which invasions included guns carrying Bible verses, you might have a different perspective. All three monotheistic religions have “VIOLENCE on their side”, all three have wiped out populations, destroyed religious symbols, made religions ILLEGAL, raped and pillaged, etc., etc. I thought we were past that one.
Please distinguish this brand of Islam
Ooops, Anthony, were you being facetious? Damn, you’re good at it...probably because you do so less frequently than others, and often less blatantly. Got me! By the way, I hear the office of Dread Pirate Roberts is often vacant, I think that would be a GREAT one to have! And pirates are classier than ninjas, in my opinion. Sexier, too. They buckle their swash MUCH better!
RL, you might take less pride in being part of the majority if you thought about the fact that the “majority” has often been more akin to a “mob” throughout our history, and that as time went on, they evolved into more tolerance and less rabid hate-mongering. Just a thought.
Anthony, you get the prize for my first giggle of the day. The vision first painted by RL, with your addition, was fun! But when it comes to your statement about Story’s “You are a tool, I am honored to be nothing like you”, I would say “When you insult someone, you demean the validity of your argument”. But then, I’m told I think too much like a lawyer (which is offensive as hell!), so maybe, since it’s all about the Terrorists, you’re more accurate.
As far as “tools” go, I’d rather be a level...if someone didn’t use me, their building would fall down (oooo, I LIKE that one!)
Anthony, I love your last one. I could think up a few too:
Tea Partier sign on their door: NO GOVERNMENT BUT DON’T TOUCH OUR MEDICARE, NOBODY WELCOME WHO IS BLACK, HISPANIC, MUSLIM, ATHEIST, PRO-CHOICE, PRO-EQUALITY, WHO DOESN’T HAVE PAPERS AND THINK LIKE US!
Democrats on their door: WE’LL SPOUT ALL KINDS OF GOOD STUFF, BUT DON’T EXPECT US TO FIGHT FOR IT
Republicans: WE’RE ALL FOR THE CONSTITUTION UNLESS WE’RE NOT
ALL big corporations: REGULATE US AND WE’LL FIND A WAY FOR YOU TO PAY FOR IT ANYWAY
Legislators: WE’RE FOR HIRE TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER
Right Wingers: GOVERNMENT OUT OF OUR LIVES EXCEPT WHERE WE WANT TO CONTROL YOU
And oh, you gotta give the Catholics EVERY SPERM IS PRECIOUS
Ooops, RL tells me you were being sarcastic...I misunderstood.
Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off 
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Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
RL, while I appreciate STRONGLY your efforts to abandon the gutterspeak and personal attacks, I wish it could expand to eliminating the derogatory political over-dramatizations. I’ve stopped calling it FauxNews and Dumbya for the same reasons as snarking, that it doesn’t further the discussion/debate, it only acts as a slightly less offensive trigger to the reader. It’s just a wish, to ASK it would be to put an unfair burden on anyone and I have no right to anyway, I just am jarred now when it is there and seeing how it degrades the points you make. Nothing more.
Mincing, again,Quote:disregards the historical violence of Christian actions in the name of Christianity, which I offered in several places. THIS brand of Islam is no more violent, and, again, if your read the article I offered regarding the indoctrination of our own military, and bear in mind that we invaded two sovereign states in our recent past, which invasions were CALLED “crusades” by our then-President, which invasions were undertaken “with god on our side”, which invasions included guns carrying Bible verses, you might have a different perspective. All three monotheistic religions have “VIOLENCE on their side”, all three have wiped out populations, destroyed religious symbols, made religions ILLEGAL, raped and pillaged, etc., etc. I thought we were past that one.
Please distinguish this brand of Islam
Ooops, Anthony, were you being facetious? Damn, you’re good at it...probably because you do so less frequently than others, and often less blatantly. Got me! By the way, I hear the office of Dread Pirate Roberts is often vacant, I think that would be a GREAT one to have! And pirates are classier than ninjas, in my opinion. Sexier, too. They buckle their swash MUCH better!
RL, you might take less pride in being part of the majority if you thought about the fact that the “majority” has often been more akin to a “mob” throughout our history, and that as time went on, they evolved into more tolerance and less rabid hate-mongering. Just a thought.
Anthony, you get the prize for my first giggle of the day. The vision first painted by RL, with your addition, was fun! But when it comes to your statement about Story’s “You are a tool, I am honored to be nothing like you”, I would say “When you insult someone, you demean the validity of your argument”. But then, I’m told I think too much like a lawyer (which is offensive as hell!), so maybe, since it’s all about the Terrorists, you’re more accurate.
As far as “tools” go, I’d rather be a level...if someone didn’t use me, their building would fall down (oooo, I LIKE that one!)
Anthony, I love your last one. I could think up a few too:
Tea Partier sign on their door: NO GOVERNMENT BUT DON’T TOUCH OUR MEDICARE, NOBODY WELCOME WHO IS BLACK, HISPANIC, MUSLIM, ATHEIST, PRO-CHOICE, PRO-EQUALITY, WHO DOESN’T HAVE PAPERS AND THINK LIKE US!
Democrats on their door: WE’LL SPOUT ALL KINDS OF GOOD STUFF, BUT DON’T EXPECT US TO FIGHT FOR IT
Republicans: WE’RE ALL FOR THE CONSTITUTION UNLESS WE’RE NOT
ALL big corporations: REGULATE US AND WE’LL FIND A WAY FOR YOU TO PAY FOR IT ANYWAY
Legislators: WE’RE FOR HIRE TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER
Right Wingers: GOVERNMENT OUT OF OUR LIVES EXCEPT WHERE WE WANT TO CONTROL YOU
And oh, you gotta give the Catholics EVERY SPERM IS PRECIOUS
Ooops, RL tells me you were being sarcastic...I misunderstood.
Eliminate the "derogatory political over-dramatizations", in addition to the profanity, vulgarity, and personal attacks? What reason to breathe air then? Girl, you're just 'specting too much, pushing too hard:
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Hello,
I recently watched 'The Invention of Lying' which was about half as good as it could have been. But I do wonder what people would say if they were utterly incapable of editing themselves, and were forced to speak the pure unvarnished truth.
Probably there's a reason that lying is a survival trait. Some small amount of disingenuousness is necessary to an amicable society. It at least lets us live with ourselves. And maybe if we lie to ourselves long enough about being good people, we'll start to change.
Someone said once, "You are what you pretend to be."
--Anthony
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Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"Now you're gettin' it! No need for any pretenses here, right Anthony?"
Hello,
Indeed.
The U.S. Military and Oil Companies can get a joint slogan like, 'WE WILL F*CK YOU AND TAKE YOUR STUFF.'
The Republicans can hold up signs saying, 'WE LOVE FREEDOM UNTIL IT MAKES US UNCOMFORTABLE.'
The Muslims can hold up signs saying, 'WE DON'T SPEAK UP ENOUGH WHEN PEOPLE MURDER IN THE NAME OF OUR GOD.'
The Catholics can hold up signs saying, 'WE REMEMBER THE GOOD OLD DAYS WHEN WE WERE JUST LIKE YOU.'
The Democrats can hold up signs saying, 'WE WILL KEEP YOUR FREEDOMS FOR YOU IN A SAFE PLACE.'
No more pretenses for anyone.
--Anthony
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This is hilarious! Anthony, if you get laid off, you need to go into politics or political commentary, or perhaps professional political snarkalysis...
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Good to see some humor today! I mean 10 days ago none of us were posting about it, and most of us weren't even that aware of it. So now the whole country is at each other's throats over it? Very strange! Lightening up is good for the soul.
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
If Islam doesn't = terrorist, then what in god's name is the problem with an Islamic Center ANYWHERE? And Pizmo, you may have some terribly eccentric and personal reason for opposing this building, but if you look at Kaneman's "face of the GOP" the reason is clear as summer rain: Islam = terrorist.
I'm sorry, but the grief argument carries no wait in this context. No one's grief gives them the right to hold people hostage or deny people their fundamental rights. The local government, the people of NYC have already signed off on this.
And there is grave, grave danger in fetishizing "grief," enshrining it and turning it into a permanent justification for hatred which is EXACTLY what the neo-cons want.
Why hasn't ANYTHING been built at ground zero, leaving this gaping wound in NYC, festering with all our nation's vengeful madness, instead of allowing the wound to heal?
And the message it sends if we allow them to build the Community Center? I would say anything but letting them go ahead with the building paints us as insane, but that's just how I see it. You wanna control "the message," good luck. In this life, we have to do the right thing, and let the world draw its own conclusions. Why should we continue to measure our own actions by the actions of madmen? Let some cave-dwellers determine public policy?
/B]
I never said I opposed the building of the building Ron Paul calls a MOSQUE. I said I thought it was a bad idea. Simple, no history lessons needed. Air Force over NY City freaks people out, same thing-ish.
And - hold onto your scabbards, I'm going to multi task right in front of you - I can think it's a bad idea and not think Islam = terrorism. Funny enough, if you had read the nytimes article linked above (a paper some say has a pretty liberal slant) it turns out there are a number of other people who think along the same lines... muslims even!
Dalil Boubakeur, head of the Grande Mosquée of Paris and one of the most senior Islamic clerics in France, told France-Soir: “There are symbolic places that awaken memories whether you mean to or not. And it isn’t good to awaken memories.”
A senior cleric at Egypt’s Al Azhar, the closest equivalent in the Sunni Islamic world to the Vatican, said that building at the proposed location sounded like bad judgment on the part of American Muslims.
“It will create a permanent link between Islam and 9/11,” said Abdel Moety Bayoumi, a member of the Islamic Research Institute at Al Azhar. “Why should we put ourselves and Islam in a position of blame?”
See?? Good reasons, common sense reasons, reasons that don't include hate. I know, I know, it's just not as much fun.
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I know, RL, I just couldn't resist. It came out of reading all the great stuff in this thread that didn't have partisan jihad-speak, then a post from you with little BUT.
And I wasn't "pushing", I was very clear to say that I had no right to ASK, note; I was commenting and expressing my own sadness.
I understand, I truly do. It makes me cringe every time I have to write Fox News or call him Bush, among other things, but I'm trying...
Pizmo, the fact that some Muslims, some Democrats, ALL Republicans and no doubt all or virtually all fundamentalist Christians think it's a bad idea doesn't prove your point, actually it refutes it. These people fear letting it be built there because they fear the repercussions of a COMMUNITY CENTER which is now being viewed as a mosque, a terrorist gathering place, a sign of terrorist victory, and so many other absurd things. The fact that the American people have made them fear us in this way is the best statement I can think of as to why the "majority" is in the wrong and opposition to the COMMUNITY CENTER is such a sad and ugly thing. They're thinking of survival (Dems political, Muslims their OWN and that of the COMMUNITY CENTER). We should be making them fearful of their own survival? Man, we are one Great Nation.
Sometimes majorities = mobs. They have in the past, I've offered examples. In this case it IS a mob: rational people made irrational by appeals to their fear, bigotry, intolerance, IMAGINATION. To take pleasure in being part of a mob is a sad thing. I'm impressed to see mot people here having perspective and not wanting to be part of the mob.
You only have to think a minute about what the "majority" were against in the past to get perspective:
Interracial marriage
Jews in the military
Blacks buying homes in white neighborhoods
Integration
Civil Rights
Divorce of any kind
Women having the vote (or rights)
And things they were FOR:
Japanese internment camps
The Iraq war
The Vietnam War
McCarthy
Think about it. The majority is not always right, in fact, it is as often wrong as it IS right. And it usually turns around the other way in time.
Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off
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I remember reading something interesting from HKCavalier concerning tolerance, and how tolerance comes from a position of strength (not invulnerably). As a Christian and Conservative (NOT to be confused with republican or tea partier) I can tolerate the childish "Christian's rule the government and cause all our problems" arguments, cause free speech is a wonderful thing. I can also tolerate a mosque or not-mosque being built, because even though I may not think it's a great idea, I think freedom of religion is. The point being it is legal and I am not threatened.
I have more than a few very liberal friends (occupational hazard as a musician I suppose haha). Some are quite intelligent and I enjoy hearing what and why they believe what they do, but the majority cannot tolerate an opposing opinion, or respect a religious person's intellect ('course I 'spect this is typical of most political parties and groups of people). However, in the context of tolerance being dependent on strength, I can't fault them for being incapable of tolerance due to their position of inferior relative strength, right?
Still, eventually people have gotta stop blaming Bush and Christianity for all the nation's problems. I'm just sayin' ;)
Not accusin' or callin' anyone out, just expressing some general frustrations and dear God, did I actually identify myself with a political philosophy? This can't end well...
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Quote:Pizmo, you know there's a limit to how much sarcasm with which you can lace your post before it is overburdened and breaks under the strain. I think your post is nearly there. It's not working on me, anyway.
Originally posted by pizmobeach:
I never said I opposed the building of the building Ron Paul calls a MOSQUE. I said I thought it was a bad idea. Simple, no history lessons needed. Air Force over NY City freaks people out, same thing-ish.
And - hold onto your scabbards, I'm going to multi task right in front of you - I can think it's a bad idea and not think Islam = terrorism. Funny enough, if you had read the nytimes article linked above (a paper some say has a pretty liberal slant) it turns out there are a number of other people who think along the same lines... muslims even!
Dalil Boubakeur, head of the Grande Mosquée of Paris and one of the most senior Islamic clerics in France, told France-Soir: “There are symbolic places that awaken memories whether you mean to or not. And it isn’t good to awaken memories.”
A senior cleric at Egypt’s Al Azhar, the closest equivalent in the Sunni Islamic world to the Vatican, said that building at the proposed location sounded like bad judgment on the part of American Muslims.
“It will create a permanent link between Islam and 9/11,” said Abdel Moety Bayoumi, a member of the Islamic Research Institute at Al Azhar. “Why should we put ourselves and Islam in a position of blame?”
See?? Good reasons, common sense reasons, reasons that don't include hate. I know, I know, it's just not as much fun.
Whether or not Dr. Paul calls the place a "mosque" is kinda immaterial, but you really wanted to make sure I heard that. Yeah, I'm aware he used the word. Shocker incoming: a lot of people call the place a "mosque" out of convenience and brevity and some do so--I'm not namin' names!--out of honest ignorance of what a "mosque" really is. Shocker #2: a lot of Americans are pretty ignorant of Muslim culture and happy to remain so.
I never accused you of saying what you never said. However, the difference between "opposing" a thing and thinking something is "a bad idea" seems mostly a matter of conviction.
And shocker #3: It is not because I am a liberal that I support the building going up. I am not surprised that people of various political persuasions think this "mosque" is a "bad idea." Fear knows no political affiliation. Howard Dean is a heck of a lot more liberal than I and he agrees with you. Mayor Bloomberg is a conservative and he very eloquently agrees with me.
Same with Muslims. They are a large heterogeneous group (that's kinda the point folk on this side of the argument have been trying to make, btw). They don't all think alike and are entitled to their opinions--as well as their peaceable assembly, worshipping as they so choose, legal contracts, etc.
And I'm sorry, but “There are symbolic places that awaken memories whether you mean to or not. And it isn’t good to awaken memories,” is just too B-movie spoooooky and full of shit to take seriously. You think you can control what people freakin' remember? You wanna choose THAT road to go down? George Orwell called, he wants his cautionary tale back, looks like you're using it as a life preserver--1984 is not a floatation device.
Here's a thing: if you don't think it's a good idea to build a mosque in lower Manhattan, then don't build one!
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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