Imponderables: Ridin' For A Fall

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UPDATED: Thursday, October 1, 2009 02:30
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Almost the end of Rodeo season. Time to tune up the truck and ready for the Hunting season.

Previous Thread:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=2&t=39936&m=731265#top

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Again? Damn dude. Ninja Sniper Bartender. Can you get any cooler?

(Bows to Kelkhil)

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The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
-Loretta Lynn

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pssh 1 letter posts don't count for firsties. So, NVG wins. :-P

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Well then look closely Zeek. I also had to change the color... so there are a few more hidden words... Plus you can't firsties a thread if you start it! Would be a cheap firsties!!!



So what do we ponder?

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Let's ponder hunting...

Do you hunt? Why or why not?

NV's going deer hunting soon and we will have lovely yummy deer sausage and some nice roasts:) Happy day:)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

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I don't hunt because I've got a grocery store that has everything I need. If I did hunt it would only be for food. I think hunting for sport is sick. If you derive pleasure out of killing something just for the sake of killing it then you have psychological issues IMO.

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I don't know if I would hunt myself but I think it would be fun to go with. See how it all goes down (no pun was intended until I read it, so i'm keeping it there)

Then of course partake in the Venison. yumm!!!

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LOL Zeek that's exactly how psychiatrists separate it out. If it's killing to eat or survive that's one thing, but gaining enjoyment out of death or pain especially of something weaker.. definitely not good

Avery...come visit!! HUGS


To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

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I agree with Zeek, but I have one more part to add:
Any activity that starts out with "get up at 4 am and then go stand outside in freezing weather" is unlikely to get my willing participation.

Philosophically, though, I don't have a problem with hunting as long as the hunter intends to consume the kill...

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I don't hunt. Used to a long time ago with my dad but the biggest thing I ever shot was a squirel.

Not a fan of venison so I never killed a deer.

Although a friend of mine just got a Russian Boar and I am looking forward to some tasty, tasty fresh piggy! MMMmmm MMMMmmm! Fresh Bacon!!!

[rant]The weapons some people use now-a-days to "hunt" with bug me. If you need to fire off 15 rounds to hit your target once you do not deserve to be out there. And why I tend to not go at all. No, I don't need 15 rounds to hit a target, I am just affraid of running into one of the 14 that some idiot missed with while still in flight![/rant]

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If you need an uzi to hit a deer... you might be a lousy hunter and you're definitely an idiot.

Of course I say this as someone married to the one shot wonder who can hit anything with one shot so maybe I'm biased....

Deer is yum ( as is buffalo )Also practical as for the first 2 months you're breastfeeding they suggest no red meat because of the growth hormone so deer is a good way to get around that( I'm pretty sure they aren't breaking into medical facilities and scarfing deer hormones)

I'm also hoping for some rabbit stew this winter ( and some fur to make hoods for Annie and Audrey)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

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I don't hunt. I don't disagree with it. It is much more human then how they treat livestock.

I am like Solarflare. Getting up at 4:00 A.M. and stand in the cold is not my idea of fun. Anyway, we have anywhere from 600,000 to 700,000 hunters in Wisconsin. I think that is plenty.


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To calm your nerves a bit Kelhil, Nevada (and most other states) have strict guidelines on the capacity of rounds a firearm may hold for their state hunts. A maximum of five round magazine capacity for rifles and three rounds total capacity in shotguns. The deer I took a few years ago was taken with a semiautomatic AK47. I would not be dumb enough to be in possession of the usual 30 round plinker magazine as my license would be pulled (possibly forever) and would be fined heavily by the wildlife officer. Yeah, officer. One of the best things state and federal wildlife management divisions did was to have their "rangers" become sworn officers. They enforce wildlife related laws in conjunction with the normal operation of a law enforcement officer. Makes for good conservation having officers that can enforce DUI and littering laws against dirtbags who do use 30 round magazines while tearing up the countryside with their ATV's and trucks/SUVs throwing out their beer cans and bottles wherever they please.

A bunch of hunters really took heat for the Filipino guy who shot those people in Michigan a few years ago. People like that just need to be strung up out in the woods and left...

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I hunt news; shoot with camera; then prepare (edit) for air. Does that count?

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HUGS Sure Sister:)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

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Originally posted by MsA: If you need an uzi to hit a deer... you might be a lousy hunter and you're definitely an idiot.

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LOLZ!!!! I'm not a hunter, nor am I married to a one shot wonder, but I have to agree on that statement, for the sheer hilarity.

venison is good. haven't had it in forever. dammit now I'm hungry ><;;

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Is Riding For a Fall a classic, or was it original for Chris LeDoux?

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Originally posted by nvghostrider:
To calm your nerves a bit Kelhil, Nevada (and most other states) have strict guidelines on the capacity of rounds a firearm may hold for their state hunts. A maximum of five round magazine capacity for rifles and three rounds total capacity in shotguns. The deer I took a few years ago was taken with a semiautomatic AK47. I would not be dumb enough to be in possession of the usual 30 round plinker magazine as my license would be pulled (possibly forever) and would be fined heavily by the wildlife officer. Yeah, officer. One of the best things state and federal wildlife management divisions did was to have their "rangers" become sworn officers. They enforce wildlife related laws in conjunction with the normal operation of a law enforcement officer. Makes for good conservation having officers that can enforce DUI and littering laws against dirtbags who do use 30 round magazines while tearing up the countryside with their ATV's and trucks/SUVs throwing out their beer cans and bottles wherever they please.

A bunch of hunters really took heat for the Filipino guy who shot those people in Michigan a few years ago. People like that just need to be strung up out in the woods and left...

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I suspect the case you refer to was in Wisconsin, a Viet guy from the Twin Cities hunting in WI.

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did not hear about that O_o

FAIR FRIDAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IS IT 3:30 YET?????? *trapped at work, while everyone at home has the day off*

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is it me, or is this morning draaaaaaaaaaaaaaagging? c'mon peeps, I need someone to alleviate the boredom :P

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hattrick. *sigh*

ok so here's a ponder: why do people feel the unshakable need to be *stubborn*? About anything, deliberately stubborn. i.e. when the trash is full, or when it's been emptied and someone has forgotten to put a new bag in, instead of taking it out or replacing the bag, one just waits, and finds somewhere else to throw things away, or doesn't use disposable stuff, or whatever. especially when someone mentions "hey, there's no bag in the trash can." that's just an example, but applicable to almost any situation where attention is brought to a minor detail that needs to be taken care of, and people deliberately wait, even if it's an inconvenience to them, just to see who'll crack first. Why do we *do* that?

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Not dragging for me. I just told my manager I'm switching to a different job in the company. I'm all hopped up on nervousness. She's going to send a note out to the department soon. I should hide.

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I've never been hunting, but from what I've been told haggis are insanely difficult to catch anyway. They're about all I'd be able to hunt around here. Small, well hidden and crazy fast... >_>

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why the hiding? will people be mad that you're moving to a different job?

Navy: ...haggis as in...the scottish dish? heart, liver, lungs, other various gross stuff shoved in sheep's stomach and boiled?

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Semi humorous anecdote. Feel free to laugh at me on this one:

The first week after my wife and I were married, she told me one day that the garbage was full. Mentally, I agreed.

Several hours later, she repeated the observation that the garbage was full. At which point, I mentally made a note that she was still correct.

A little while later, she was angry with me, and I had no idea why...

Of course, she was certain that she had asked me to take out the garbage. I simply never heard the request.

We were in grad school at the time, and the next semester I took a course in linguistics. It saved my marriage.

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NVG here:

It is an original from the Western Underground album. That is the great thing about a decent performer. They can make a classic song their own while still giving credit to those who created it. What's better is their ability to put out their own stuff and still have emotion and tradition worthy of being lumped in with more classic songs.

Sorry about the generalization. I was working from memory and the details of the incident were VERY mixed. It was such a strange happening. There were allegations of harassment on the part of the victims, then the killer said they shot first, and the lack of witnesses seemed to be some sort of set up with the amount of people who said they saw all of the parties involved before the incident but not after.

I hope that any sportsmen who encounter people with illicit magazines during a hunt will inform law enforcement as to what they saw. Anyone who is willing to break basic laws are more likely to break others. I am not against extra capacity magazines. But I am against anyone who cannot honor the hunt by abiding by the basic rules set before them. It not only sets hunters in a bad light, it also taints the hunt and dishonors the spirit of the animal.

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

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Solar: LMFAO. was it "Linguistics: how to decipher the female mind"? XD see, I have long since learned that innuendos, hints, and references are not an effective way to communicate. which is why when something needs to be done that I can't take care of at the moment, I say "honey, can you do *xyz* please?" because I know if I just comment on it, he'll just say "yeah, it is, isn't it?"

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Also, I see no problem with being stubborn


You're just holding your ground is all >_>

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o rly? ;)

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Originally posted by freelancertex:
why the hiding? will people be mad that you're moving to a different job?

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Kinda. They'll have mixed emotions I'm sure. They're all good people. So, they'll know that it's the best move for me. It still means more work for them though. Since training a new person is work and you know that person won't be as capable for a while. Next year is already lining up to be crazy. So, it's not a good time. Though the past 3 years have all looked crazy. So, I don't think there's ever going to be a good time to leave.

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><;;; well, not much of a choice then. good luck in the new job ^_^ when are you moving to it?

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Zeek: Best of luck in the move. Y'know, you always hate to see a good person go, but at the same time you want someone to make a move that's right for them. Any decent person should not begrudge you making a move that's right for you.

FLT: It wasn't really "decipher" the female mind, it was just a lot of insights into how we communicate. (I recall Deborah Tannen having some good books on the subject. There are lots out there.)

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><;;; well, not much of a choice then. good luck in the new job ^_^ when are you moving to it?

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Middle of November. So, there's still plenty of time for them to pick my brain. It would be great if they found a replacement before the move. Then I could train them while I'm still 100% focused on this job.

Thanks for the well wishes SF.

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Sweet. ^_^

Solar: well at least you gained *some* insight :P

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Originally posted by solarflare:
Semi humorous anecdote. Feel free to laugh at me on this one:
The first week after my wife and I were married, she told me one day that the garbage was full. Mentally, I agreed.
Several hours later, she repeated the observation that the garbage was full. At which point, I mentally made a note that she was still correct.
A little while later, she was angry with me, and I had no idea why...
Of course, she was certain that she had asked me to take out the garbage. I simply never heard the request.
We were in grad school at the time, and the next semester I took a course in linguistics. It saved my marriage.

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The great thing about learning communication nuances is the empowerment of being able to teach people how to communicate. I teach classes on communication and the personal "teaching interactions" seemed to be more effective than actually teaching people. Influencing the way people communicate works better because they don't second guess how they are communicating, they understand that other people have something to say, they listen to other people rather than just hearing them, and they think about what they say before they say it.

All this "Female Communication" mentality is bullshit. To abide by such nonsense is disrespectful to all people. Respect is measured on a balance, not a sliding scale. I am not a subject of anyones rule and will not be treated so. And I am no more important than any other person so talking up to me is equally disrespectful. I hope more people can gain this mentality as I like talking with people; not at, to, or down to.

After looking over relationships with females I can honestly say there is a lack of assertive mentality for both sexes. I'm not sure what is worse: women who treat the world like they are princesses/rulers of all beholding to none. or people who perpetuate those attitudes and never let them know they are wrong to act like that. I know men who are no better, but with our simple minds/bodies we are easily manipulated because, well, some of us are just stupid.


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Originally posted by nvghostrider:

All this "Female Communication" mentality is bullshit. To abide by such nonsense is disrespectful to all people. Respect is measured on a balance, not a sliding scale. I am not a subject of anyones rule and will not be treated so. And I am no more important than any other person so talking up to me is equally disrespectful. I hope more people can gain this mentality as I like talking with people; not at, to, or down to.

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Well, uh, I'm terribly sorry I shared my story with you then.

Of course, it is disrespectful to anyone to say that because you are an "X" you are behaving (or communicating) as an "X." But for you to say that the study of linguistic tendencies is invalid is absurd.

I have always thought that understanding the tendencies of a particular group is a good way to show respect towards that group. Each individual, however, should be communicated with (and respected) as an individual.

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Hey guys,

Quick hello and goodbye. Thought I’d swing by and see what was up, got distracted by the fucking idiotic “Underworld vs. Twilight” thread, and, sorry, that’s it, I’m hanging up my browncoat for good. I can’t fucking stand the attitude of what seems like the vast majority of Buffy and Firefly fans towards Twilight, and I’m sick to fucking death of being made to feel unwelcome because I happen to like both Twilight and Firefly. So fuck it. I’m out. I’ll miss you guys.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

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Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
Hey guys,

Quick hello and goodbye. Thought I’d swing by and see what was up, got distracted by the fucking idiotic “Underworld vs. Twilight” thread, and, sorry, that’s it, I’m hanging up my browncoat for good. I can’t fucking stand the attitude of what seems like the vast majority of Buffy and Firefly fans towards Twilight, and I’m sick to fucking death of being made to feel unwelcome because I happen to like both Twilight and Firefly. So fuck it. I’m out. I’ll miss you guys.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

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Boo! That's no fun! I don't even know the first thing about Twilight. I call discrimination! Just cause some other Buffy & Firefly fans are snobs doesn't mean we all are. Some of us are too lazy to read Come back! You never even recapped Blizcon!!

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Sorry to see ya go CK. Love to you and yours.

If I came off as rejecting the study of human communication SF I'm sorry. It is more a rejection of the attitude that it is okay to accept the lack of communication skills or the lack of ability to learn on the part of others. As a man, I am no mind reader. I can read non verbal cues and communications quite well. But I've been around too many people who expected everyone to know what they were thinking rather than vocalizing the things they needed or wanted. Even the lack of stating basic emotion between men and women has become a social norm. So much that it has leeched into romantic relations and family dynamic.

I'm sure you and your wife have a much more open communication style than in your first year of marriage. For that I must thank you and anyone like you who put forth the effort to improve your quality of life. Living by example is one of the best ideas to improve the world around you.

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Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
Hey guys,

Quick hello and goodbye. Thought I’d swing by and see what was up, got distracted by the fucking idiotic “Underworld vs. Twilight” thread, and, sorry, that’s it, I’m hanging up my browncoat for good. I can’t fucking stand the attitude of what seems like the vast majority of Buffy and Firefly fans towards Twilight, and I’m sick to fucking death of being made to feel unwelcome because I happen to like both Twilight and Firefly. So fuck it. I’m out. I’ll miss you guys.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

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Ah, come on. You can't run away because I'm assuming some Whedonites don't like Twilight (I haven't read any of the threads). Some of us do. :D I actually love the books, but thought the movie was merely okay, partly because I think Robert Pattinson is pastey and gross for the most part. He's certainly no Edward as described in the book. I'm anxiously awaiting the next movie. It's not BtVS, that's for sure and people who expect it to be are being lame. ;)

After the treatment Angel received, I have a reactionary dislike of all other vampire tales. And yet, if I give them a chance, I tend to like them...which is hard for me to admit. I'm sure there are some people that hate Twilight solely because it's about vampires and they think Whedon is canon on that whole topic.

Oh...and hi guys. Zeek...congrats on the new job. That's good stuff.

NVG: men and women DO communicate differently, but that's not to say we cannot be understood by each other. Trying to understand someone (style of commuication, viewpoint, etc) is what respect in communication is all about. Lots of people haven't got that ability...even ones that think they are very open minded and accepting.

SolarFlare: loved the story. As a woman, I would've understood right away that that was a request to take the garbage out. ;)

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WOW it's old home week

HUGS and more HUGS don't leave Ck we love you and we think it's just fine if Twilight makes you happy... ( also on a side note having met CK now... WOWZA.. she's freakin HOT!!!!!)

HUGS Rugbug oh it's so good to see you.. how the horse?

NV well you are an exceptional communicator and all:)

I think what's beign said here is actually all the same thing. Different people have different styles of communicating, but to say that the different styles excuse a failure to communicate is silly. ( example the constant proliferation in the media of the idea that women should expect their husbands to just know what to buy them as a gift and that they can then be hurt and angry that the husband didn't psychically know just the right thing...or the idea that men can't communicate feelings or abstract thought) these sterotypes are super destructive.

Mostly I am annoyed when the media continues to encourage the idea that there is something inherently smarter and better in being a woman... example A parenting magazing article which was titled " discipline tips to control your kids...and they work on husbands too"
Excuse me??? are you implying that my husband is too dumb to manage himself or that it's my place to discipline him???? WTF

OK just got a mental image of Navy ( kilt and all) chasing a haggis down the street with a knife and fork...gigglesnort



To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

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RugBug! Where have you been hiding all these months? You need to post more young lady!

You didn't like Angel? I thought Angel was even better than Buffy. Seemed more adult to me. I like Firefly over either of them though. I would have said Whedon only gets better...then came Dollhouse. I'm still not fully on board with that one. New season starts tonight though! Plus I got my DVR recording in HD! woohoo!

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Originally posted by MsA:
I think what's beign said here is actually all the same thing. Different people have different styles of communicating, but to say that the different styles excuse a failure to communicate is silly.

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Got a good example of a horrible attempt at communication. One of my college buddies called me last night about his gf getting really mad at him. Her family had to put their 17 yearold dog to sleep yesterday and she called him to ask if he wanted to come over and watch Grey's Anatomy (which is apparently code for I'm sad and need comforting). He had an appointment and said he couldn't because he had to go there. She flipped out about how he's never there for her.

I don't give either of them a stellar review, but I don't think she has a leg to stand on if she isn't willing to say, "I'm really sad and need someone to comfort me". He loses points cause he told me that he was at home taking a nap before his appointment. If you have time to take a nap you have time to go comfort your gf for a while before the appointment. He didn't think it would be a big deal cause they knew the dog was not doing well so they should have been prepared. So, I can see both sides of it, but they both need to just say what they're thinking. Jeez!

For the record I totally disagree with him about preparing to put a pet down. Even though I know my kitty is going to go in the not too distant future, I'm still going to be an absolute wreck when it happens.

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Originally posted by Zeek:
RugBug! Where have you been hiding all these months? You need to post more young lady!

You didn't like Angel? I thought Angel was even better than Buffy. Seemed more adult to me. I like Firefly over either of them though. I would have said Whedon only gets better...then came Dollhouse. I'm still not fully on board with that one. New season starts tonight though! Plus I got my DVR recording in HD! woohoo!

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Hi MSA/NVG and all others. Big FFF hugs all around.

I've been lurking occasionally, but can only come out to play every once in a while. :D

I must've been unclear. Blame on me being a woman. ;)

I love Angel (although BtVS will always come first, then Firefly, then Angel). I have a problem with how it was cancelled and hold a grudge, therefore I immediately want any vampire show to fail because Angel wasn't allowed to continue. Does that make sense? Well, not sense, because it's kind of a stupid sentiment..but does that explain?

For example: I wouldn't watch Moonlight. Pissed me off that they were giving the 'Vampire with a soul' thing another run...and it wasn't Angel. Well, Moonlight was different, to be sure, but once I watched it, it was entertaining. (Watched it as a tagalong for Veronica Mars. It's odd how you follow actors because they were on one show you really, really liked).

As for Dollhouse. I liked it before...was entertained and could foresee some good stuff. I never, however, would've foreseen Epitaph One and after watching that am beyond excited for tonight. That ep just made me go 'Now THERE'S a kickass show.'

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Can't disagree on any particular point, Zeek.

You can't prepare for a pet dying. Losing a pet is like losing a family member. I know the day I come home and my pup (I call him a pup but he's 12 years old) isn't there to stumble over and say hi I'm gonna bawl my eyes out.

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I don't give either of them a stellar review, but I don't think she has a leg to stand on if she isn't willing to say, "I'm really sad and need someone to comfort me".

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Lots of women are scared to do anything close to that because you don't want to be seen as needy. ;)

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For the record I totally disagree with him about preparing to put a pet down. Even though I know my kitty is going to go in the not too distant future, I'm still going to be an absolute wreck when it happens.

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I cried my eyes out when I had to put my cat, who wasn't really even mine, down. I had plans that night and still went...what a total mistake that was. :D

I read about your kitty. :(

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Pet sadness is very serious... but yes I am surprised she didn't say hey I'm really upset can you come over and I'm surprised he didn't offer hey you must eb really bummed over the dog want me to come cheer you up... they had a combined suckage score of 7.5

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hehe I call my kitty pup sometimes. If she comes over and looks at me like I'm supposed to know what she's thinking I'll just say "what's up, pup?". Yeah I'm a dork and call her "pup" to make it rhyme.


I left out the best part of that story btw. This is what officially sways things in my friends favor by a wide margin. They were dating long distance for a couple years. Apparently at some point in there she was sleeping with some other local dude. Their mutual friends eventually told my friend. He didn't know what to think and called me a bunch asking for advice. He decided to wait to talk to her about it until he saw her in person. He let her off the hook with the excuse of "she didn't think we were serious". Anyway, in their argument last night she called him untrustworthy because he didn't tell her right away that he knew she was sleeping with some other dude. Now if that's not the most twisted logic ever I'd sure like to hear what is.

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At the risk of being beaten from the board:

I never was a fan of Buffy or Angel. Some of the Buffy stand alone episodes are great, but with little chance to give Angel a try it seems the episode or two I saw will stand as the only examples of the show for me. I may be giving Buffy a try seeing as we have the series laying about but Firefly will stand as the reigning Whedon material for me. On the subject of Dollhouse, I find it likable with the potential to be better. Though it was a great episode, Epitaph One kinda ruined the series for me. It can be thought of as an alternate or attainable future. I was just left with holes for a possible second season story line. This may work out to benefit the second season as I have no idea where it can be going.

Back to the communication variances: I mentioned quite a while ago the idea of women being better liars and how it ties in as a primitive defense mechanism due to being the physically weaker sex. Misdirection and deception being a more effective tool rather than risking physical harm. It makes sense that some women may use less direct verbal communication as a way of protecting their actions and ideals. Some of my point may be that there should be no need for this if men and women are to truly be equal.

For some reason I've always been less attracted to women leaning too far on either side of being aggressive or passive. People with an assertive demeanor have always held a greater attractiveness to me.

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Back to the communication variances: I mentioned quite a while ago the idea of women being better liars and how it ties in as a primitive defense mechanism due to being the physically weaker sex. Misdirection and deception being a more effective tool rather than risking physical harm. It makes sense that some women may use less direct verbal communication as a way of protecting their actions and ideals. Some of my point may be that there should be no need for this if men and women are to truly be equal.

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Um, I don't think we are better liars or maybe a better word is manipulators. We're DIFFRENT liars/manipulators. And we're different with women than we are with men.

And it isn't that our verbal communication is less direct, it's different. A lot of women would understand 'my dog died, do you want to come over with watch Grey's' as a direct request for company. I even get that and I'm a 'buck up' type person. (But man...that relationship sounds awful. Maybe they're meant for each other).

To be equal..one communication style shouldn't be preferred over the other or thought 'better than.' etc. We shouldn't be striving for men and women to communicate the same, but rather that each style is heard and understood and valued. THAT's true equality.

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Quick hello and goodbye. Thought I’d swing by and see what was up, got distracted by the fucking idiotic “Underworld vs. Twilight” thread, and, sorry, that’s it, I’m hanging up my browncoat for good. I can’t fucking stand the attitude of what seems like the vast majority of Buffy and Firefly fans towards Twilight, and I’m sick to fucking death of being made to feel unwelcome because I happen to like both Twilight and Firefly. So fuck it. I’m out. I’ll miss you guys.

~CK

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NOOOO!! *grabs onto an ankle and becomes teh human ball and chain* Stay! Pwease?! *big ole sad eyes*
I'm sorry to see you leave. I can't say I like Twilight, but that's because of how cliche it came across to me as. But then again, I tend to be demanding my movies -- they have to get me involved with what's going on onscreen...
(And besides, even though I mock the show, I still love everyone I know who love it...I just don't see the attraction.)
Come back and visit us...the imponderables or teh bar-and-grill every so often...we miss you!

MsB: Okay, keep making me jealous that you guys are on the gorramn mainland and get to see everyone! *mockpout*

RUGBUG!!! Whee! How's your horse doing? Any better?

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Okay, I've got an imponderable that I'm trying to figure out:
If your friends keep insisting that you'd be great in a different, fairly parallel field of work (e.g. teaching grades school instead of middle or high school) and you personally know that you don't fit the critieria well (not uber organized, able to tolerate one group of kids for one period per day, etc.) whom should you listen to? What you know in your gut is the truth, or what (several) friends keep insisiting that you'd be great at?

I'm starting to wonder if I really don't know what I'm talking about with regards to myself, or if everyone is focusing on the larger parts of the picture, and missing the other parts?

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I should have stated "Historically Speaking" as the behavior stems from prehistoric times and isn't as applicable today.

That is one very interesting observation, the manipulation varying depending on who is being manipulated.

Maybe my prejudice stems from being around way too many stupid people. I hate to judge, but that is the only way I can describe them. People who do not have value for their own communication let alone others.

Perhaps my empathy fatigue is more severe than I had previously assessed. Crap...

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Okay, I've got an imponderable that I'm trying to figure out:
If your friends keep insisting that you'd be great in a different, fairly parallel field of work (e.g. teaching grades school instead of middle or high school) and you personally know that you don't fit the critieria well (not uber organized, able to tolerate one group of kids for one period per day, etc.) whom should you listen to? What you know in your gut is the truth, or what (several) friends keep insisiting that you'd be great at?

I'm starting to wonder if I really don't know what I'm talking about with regards to myself, or if everyone is focusing on the larger parts of the picture, and missing the other parts?

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I know who I'd listen to and that's myself. I'm stubborn though and you asked who you should listen to. So, I'd say it depends. It depends on how well your friends know you and how well they know they job they're soliciting. If they know bot really well then I would say that they might be onto something. Is there any sort of temporary assignment you could do to give it a try? Summer school? Substitute teaching? Second life? :-P

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RUGBUG!!! Whee! How's your horse doing? Any better?

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Okay, I've got an imponderable that I'm trying to figure out:
If your friends keep insisting that you'd be great in a different, fairly parallel field of work (e.g. teaching grades school instead of middle or high school) and you personally know that you don't fit the critieria well (not uber organized, able to tolerate one group of kids for one period per day, etc.) whom should you listen to? What you know in your gut is the truth, or what (several) friends keep insisiting that you'd be great at?

I'm starting to wonder if I really don't know what I'm talking about with regards to myself, or if everyone is focusing on the larger parts of the picture, and missing the other parts?

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Hey DN! Good to see ya!

Horse is doing well. I'm riding him again and it's been lovely. I bought another one a few months ago and am struggling to get to know him, so we have good and bad days, but the last few days have been great. :D

As far as the teaching thing: Have you ever tried teaching elementary school? Are you unhappy with secondary? Could you try elementary on a trial basis?

I got my elementary credentials and I never thought I would want to teach that age. Turns out I didn't really like teaching, but it had little to do with the kids: I did like the age. I also like having the kids in my class all day. I taught 6th grade and the kids can be evil monsters at that age, but once you're in with them, they will do anything for you.

Unfortunately, this isn't an easy trial situation. It's not like everyone says you're a perfect match for so and so even though you think no-way-in-hell. In that case you just go out on a date. If you can figure out a way to 'go-on-a-date' with elementary teaching, you'll be a lot further along to knowing if would be a good match.

And if you're completely satisfied as a secondary teacher...screw 'em all and keep doing what you're doing. ;)

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It's really about finding the teacher and the right fit for that teacher. When I started I totally thought I'd be an elementary teacher as I love little kids. Just so happened that I got my first job in junior high and it turned out I loved it.... it's totally different. Having been in all levels now.. I'd honestly say give it a try. It is soooooo different from what you think it'll be at each level. ( also if you come to D*C next year you can meet everyone too)


Rugbug if you knew you didn't want to teach why get the degree in that?? Just curious:)

NV I'm surprised, based on all you've been through and continue to go through that your empathy hasn't just packed up and left



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@Zeek: Thanks! I'm not sure that they have a clue of teaching little kids in the States (claims to have taught elsewhere but haven't verified it yet).
Substitute teaching: Tried it (for a very short while), decided that I really didn't like the idea of being tossed into a classroom blind, since I've done that too much as a regular teacher..
@Rugbug: The part of teaching I am unhappy with is not the teaching the high school kids part, but all the other stuffs that helped to send me over the edge (decisions by admin that made no logical sense -- even if I took into consideration that there are some things that are coming down from "up high") and other various stupidities...
(I get that there's politics in anywhere you work. I refuse to believe any administrator that says "we're going to be the best _in_ _everything_" and when asked to prioritize the "high priority" goals responds with "they're all the same level -- #1.")
I know I get along great with little kids -- on a one-on-one basis...but the one time I babysat for a day, I'm the one that needed the nap...she didn't. lol.
@MsA: I've taught 7-12. I like upper classmen (I can logic with them), 7th graders, 10th graders...and then 9th graders and lastly 8th graders (tho' it might have been the school I was working at for 8th graders). All day with the same kids is tough for my nuttiness.
(and LOL. If I'm teaching, I won't be making it to D*C...I'd be in the middle of the 1st quarter.)
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Hunting...I don't do it (just not interested -- unless you count the very occasional time fishing with bamboo pole and bait setup), but I can appreciate the fact that there are those who do (and the bounty of it afterwards). Needing a fully loaded auto clip though is extremely excessive (and says your a lousy hunter imho). Besides, I have a friend or two who prefers hunting using bow and arrows (and a knife or two when needed).
Kel: Fresh bacon's all very well and good, but fresh, whole kalua pig (gut the whole pig, place heated rocks inside the gut, place the whole pig on top of more heated rocks in an earthen pit, cover with banana leaves, then burlap, then dirt and let cook underground for hours until just right) is far better. Teh awesomeness of it all once it's out and hot on the plate? Heaven...

Stubborn (morphed into "communication between the sexes"). Call it more likely "laziness" and the fear that "If I do it, will it become my job to always do that?" (I know that it has happened to more than a couple of people.) That or the passive-agressive "I'll do it when I'm good and ready, not when you want me to." bit.
As for one way of communicating being "better" than the other or not...they're just different. (And trying to get your point across when you communicate one way the way someone else does is very frustrating.)

Pets dying: Understand that. I noticed that there are times when I'd focus on my pet instead of my problems...and losing my last two fishes made me cry both times. I can imagine it being harder with a pet you can actually interact with.

NVG, I really gotta get to you about borrowing your luck (at least with finding MsA...so I'd find Mr. Right sometime before I'm old enough to be a grandma). Then again...*meh* Me and serious relationships seem to be a great source of entertainment for at least one PTB.

Am I caught up now on this thread? *fingers crossed*

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HUGS Neko.. yup you've rung in ( and very articulately ...are you naked too??) on all the topics

It's Sunday...NV's off to paintball and then help out relatives... I am sadly grounded due to rough roads involved so I will be home cleaning and resting...which appears to be about all I can do at this point



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oooh paintball. lucky. sorry you can't tag along MsA.

RugBug!! wow long time no see.

Fair's pretty much done with, back to the dreariness of school. I think I'm gonna pass on the "Women in Love" paper, though I really should start thinking about how to take the most boring books in the world and writing about them ><;; since I unfortunately have to.

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Hey guys,

Quick hello and goodbye. Thought I’d swing by and see what was up, got distracted by the fucking idiotic “Underworld vs. Twilight” thread, and, sorry, that’s it, I’m hanging up my browncoat for good. I can’t fucking stand the attitude of what seems like the vast majority of Buffy and Firefly fans towards Twilight, and I’m sick to fucking death of being made to feel unwelcome because I happen to like both Twilight and Firefly. So fuck it. I’m out. I’ll miss you guys.

~CK

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NOOOO!! *grabs onto an ankle and becomes teh human ball and chain* Stay! Pwease?! *big ole sad eyes*
I'm sorry to see you leave. I can't say I like Twilight, but that's because of how cliche it came across to me as. But then again, I tend to be demanding my movies -- they have to get me involved with what's going on onscreen...
(And besides, even though I mock the show, I still love everyone I know who love it...I just don't see the attraction.)
Come back and visit us...the imponderables or teh bar-and-grill every so often...we miss you!

MsB: Okay, keep making me jealous that you guys are on the gorramn mainland and get to see everyone! *mockpout*

RUGBUG!!! Whee! How's your horse doing? Any better?

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Okay, I've got an imponderable that I'm trying to figure out:
If your friends keep insisting that you'd be great in a different, fairly parallel field of work (e.g. teaching grades school instead of middle or high school) and you personally know that you don't fit the critieria well (not uber organized, able to tolerate one group of kids for one period per day, etc.) whom should you listen to? What you know in your gut is the truth, or what (several) friends keep insisiting that you'd be great at?

I'm starting to wonder if I really don't know what I'm talking about with regards to myself, or if everyone is focusing on the larger parts of the picture, and missing the other parts?

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You should try to find out from these people what they see as being the well-fitting criteria. I have heard weird suggestions, and asked why they would think that of me. Sometimes it exposes their misunderstanding of me, and other times I learn something about what they see in me, and if what they see overrides the reluctant facets I was concentrating on.

Also sad that CK won't stay. Missed whatever anti-Twilight comments were made.

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I'd listen to whatever my mind thinks is the most comfortable fit for me. I know I would do well in a couple of different fields, but if there are a couple of things about a particular area that lie outside my personal comfort zone (comfort being what I think I can handle without too much undue stress) that I really don't feel comfortable handling on a daily basis--even if others think I'd be great--I just steer clear of it and work in an area I'm confident in. I wouldn't completely disregard what my friends are suggesting, I'd just make it clear to them that I really don't think it's best for me if that's the case.

As for the anti-Twilight, its the "UNDERWORLD X TWILIGHT" thread. Most (maybe even all) of the people who've commented (including myself) on the thread are of the mind that Underworld was better than Twilight, but I kind of wish CK had weighed in on whether she was referring to the book, the movie, or both, because the way I took that thread was pitting movie against movie, since Underworld wasn't a book (least not that I know of). Twilight the movie was a massive disappointment compared to the book, which is why I said I liked Underworld better overall. I actually didn't find the book that bad, regardless of the "abusive relationship" comments circling around, which probably also bothered CK. I really think I have to read it again because I just don't see the abusiveness, since we're just getting one perspective and not an omniscient perspective of what's going on in everyone's minds. [/rambling] Sorry CK :\

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Heh. I thought I wanted to teach. Turns out I didn't. :D My degree is actually in kinesiology with a pre-physical therapy concentration (lots of science...not quite pre-med but pretty close).

I knew a year before graduation that I didn't want to be a PT. After graduation, I did a summer program for inner-city kids and thought that was awesome and fulfilling, thus the idea to teach in the inner city. Thus the credentials.

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As for the anti-Twilight, its the "UNDERWORLD X TWILIGHT" thread. Most (maybe even all) of the people who've commented (including myself) on the thread are of the mind that Underworld was better than Twilight, but I kind of wish CK had weighed in on whether she was referring to the book, the movie, or both, because the way I took that thread was pitting movie against movie, since Underworld wasn't a book (least not that I know of). Twilight the movie was a massive disappointment compared to the book, which is why I said I liked Underworld better overall. I actually didn't find the book that bad, regardless of the "abusive relationship" comments circling around, which probably also bothered CK. I really think I have to read it again because I just don't see the abusiveness, since we're just getting one perspective and not an omniscient perspective of what's going on in everyone's minds. [/rambling] Sorry CK :\

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I read the thread and all I can think is that the two really aren't even comparable. Sure, they're both movies with Vampires and Werewolves, but apart from that? Not much similarity. It's like comparing Chicago with High School Musical. :D

As for abusive relationships? I don't see Edward/Bella as abusive at all. A little dramatic, absolutely, but not abusive.

'Course I also don't think Bella is weak and whiny. Her first act in the book is all about strength of character...and not something most 17 year olds would do (moving to Forks for her mom's sake). I guess that action colored my perception of Bella enough to wipe away a lot of other transgressions. My biggest with her is how callously she uses Jacob.

The whinging about vampire mythos gets me too. Give me a break...it's myth, why can't someone put their own spin on it? I think Whedon took quite a few liberties with vampire mythos. Truthfull, I see the upset as a lack of imagination. :shrug:


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I just wish people could be grown ups. It's fine to state that you dislike something and to give your reasons for it, but to attack someone else for their opinion is childish and pathetic. Drives me nuts when I see statements like
Oh that book is stupid...
That's 5 year old logic.
Instead try... I didn't like that book because...



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I just wish people could be grown ups. It's fine to state that you dislike something and to give your reasons for it, but to attack someone else for their opinion is childish and pathetic. Drives me nuts when I see statements like
Oh that book is stupid...
That's 5 year old logic.
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I just wish people could be grown ups. It's fine to state that you dislike something and to give your reasons for it, but to attack someone else for their opinion is childish and pathetic. Drives me nuts when I see statements like
Oh that book is stupid...
That's 5 year old logic.
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LOL Zeek you're just trouble... adorable hilarious trouble


HUGS Rugbug it's soooooo good to have you on:) Any competitions coming up for you and da horsie??

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I just wish people could be grown ups. It's fine to state that you dislike something and to give your reasons for it, but to attack someone else for their opinion is childish and pathetic. Drives me nuts when I see statements like
Oh that book is stupid...
That's 5 year old logic.
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I just wish people could be grown ups. It's fine to state that you dislike something and to give your reasons for it, but to attack someone else for their opinion is childish and pathetic. Drives me nuts when I see statements like
Oh that book is stupid...
That's 5 year old logic.
Instead try... I didn't like that book because...

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ROTFLMAO... ok that was a much needed laugh on a difficult day.. HUGS thanks guys:)

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Makes me wish I had seen "Underworld" and "Twilight". But I didn't and can't comment.

As for vampire movies I still find the original silent version, "Nosferatu", a fine example.




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I don't know. I thought the Underworld movies (first 2...never saw the third) were pretty lame. The only reason to watch them is that Kate Beckinsale is smokin hot IMO. Never saw Twilight but if the movie really is worse, that's one sad excuse for a movie.

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Originally posted by traveler:
Makes me wish I had seen "Underworld" and "Twilight". But I didn't and can't comment.

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I liked the first Underworld, second...not so much.

Twilight movie was so-so. There was some wasted potential. I loved the books.

(Zeek's not really the audience for the books, nor are you. ;) In fact, I don't really know of any men that have read and enjoyed the books.)

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

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I will read about any subject, both fiction and non-fiction, but I have no recall of reading any vampire stories. I have seen a few films. I think the last film I saw was the Anne Rice story "Interview with a Vampire". I think I got the title right.


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*glimpses in*
*boggles and picks up jaw...'cause...HOLY COW! What made the old-timers come back for a visit? (YAY!)*
Traveler! *waves*

Thanks for everyone .02 plat on my imponderable. Posed the question to a teacher I know who I've worked with and knows me best (my mom). She reminded me that most folks have no idea what a teacher does or how much work an elementary teacher has to do and know (math, science, social studies, reading, spelling/vocabulary, grammar, art, physical education, music -- depending on grade, that can include knowing how to teach two or more instruments...) plus all the other stuffs a teacher has to do....and that I'm right in my choice and beliefs about teaching little kids. (As for the adults that act like little kids...I've got ice cream sammiches for the ones who can show me how to behave nicely to each other...even if they disagree. *hands out sammiches to MsA, Traveller, CK, NVG, FLT,...purposely bypassing RugBug and Zeek* )

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Traveler sheds a tear for RugBug and Zeek.
No ice-cream for you guys.
Meanwhile smacks his lips.


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ooh. sammiches, thanks Neko ^_^

hey, hand over the ice cream, Traveler. :P

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Originally posted by RugBug: Twilight movie was so-so. There was some wasted potential. I loved the books.

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me and a friend were having that discussion the other day. she's head over heels for the books but thought the movie was awful, and as a fan of tracking book-to-movie conversions I have to agree. We were also talking about how the trailers for the new one look infinitely better--probably because they signed on a different director. A lot of times I think disappointing conversions end up so because the director is rushing, or doesn't know what s/he is doing. I think that was the case for the first movie ><;;

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Originally posted by RugBug:



(Zeek's not really the audience for the books, nor are you. ;) In fact, I don't really know of any men that have read and enjoyed the books.)

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I have heard of some. I have not yet read them, but am not opposed to. I normally cannot stand fiction books written by females other than Elizabeth Gage, Elizabeth Moon, or Danielle Steele.

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Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
Hey guys,

Quick hello and goodbye.

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Hallo, Sweetheart.
Sorry to read that you suffer from the same asshole allergies that I do. =(
I hope to eRun into you again sometime.... 8(

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Originally posted by Dancingneko:
NOOOO!! *grabs onto an ankle and becomes teh human ball and chain* Stay! Pwease?! *big ole sad eyes*

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((considers mimicking 'Neko))
If there was ever a good reason to be a ball-and-chain, this is it.

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Hey, kids. Nice to read you all again. Was avoiding forums for a while, but since I've been hanging out in the B&G thread, I figured I may as well pop in here to say "Hi"...

...and ask for Imponderable Opinions. Heh. Secret agenda, me.

I'm just exhausted. My allergies to asshole people are going into over-drive. Here's one reason... smallified, cuz it's really fucking long....

In March, someone on a different Firefly fan forum asked me for a huge favour: she was having a charity event with a "steampunk" theme, and desperately needed to borrow some things from me. More than that, she needed me to send them to her over-night. So I did. I spent that entire evening sorting through my possessions, packing them up, and took them all to the Post Office the next afternoon; over-night delivery of the heavy package ended up costing over $50. She received everything and was so gracious and delighted.

Then, about a month later, I left the forum for unrelated reasons. ((sniffle, wheeze, cough cough cough)) Since communication with this person dropped off to nearly nothing, I decided to ask for my stuff back. I mean, it had been nearly a whole month already, the event was over, so there was no good reason to hold on to my property. Email after email had been ignored for about a month - May - before she responded. Unfortunately, her response was short and contained no real information. Week after week after week, I sent emails and received nearly nothing back from her. On rare occassion, she would finally respond, promising to send my stuff back to me. One time she even promised to send my stuff back Wednesday; I came to find out recently that she decided to wear my stuff to a convention that Saturday instead.

Throughout all this time, when she deigned to respond, she would give me nothing but excuse after excuse. After about four months of this bullshit, I decided to make it a little more public by sending her questions via Twitter. Oops. Apparently that was the wrong thing to do and ended up making me the bad guy in the situation. I guess public embarassment is unacceptable and I am a horrible person for doing it.

Oh well. So, after four months of nearly begging her to return my property (mind, most of it was one-of-a-kind hand-made or antique stuff, all in costing over $1K... so, no, I wasn't going to let it go), she finally found her way to a Post Office and sent my property back.

Well.

Most of it.

I sent her an email the following week to explain that she forgot at least two items, and asked her to please send them back. No response. Emailed again. No response. Emailed again. Finally, she responded. We discussed the option that, since Post Offices are such elusive hard to get to creatures, she could always bring my items to Dragon*Con if she absolutely could not get to a post office. No committment from her either way. Dragon*Con comes and goes, and with the busy weekend plus my being sick for one of the days, I couldn't find her.

The weekend after D*C, I emailed her (to both of her accounts) explaining why I couldn't find her and asking that she send my stuff back. No response. A week later, I emailed her again. No response. This past Sunday, I went so far as to send her a message to her Facebook account, since she's just the awesomest little social butterfly ever. Still no response.

This has literally been a SEVEN MONTH ordeal, with virtually no communication from this woman, with being chastised by her for trying to pr

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