If you like Bush & what he's done to this world, you are evil.

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CHRISISALL

Thursday, June 12, 2008 8:51 PM

There's really no discussion; if you support lies, torture & war profiteering, then you are in Congress with the Beast. You are evil by mis-interpreting reality, or by embracing greed by way of death.

May God have mercy, 'cause Bush won't.

Biped Planetisall

KHYRON

Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
There's really no discussion; if you support lies, torture & war profiteering, then you are in Congress with the Beast.

Those people are in congress!?

Oh wait, I guess some of them actually are...

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CHRISISALL

Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:23 PM

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Originally posted by Khyron:

Oh wait, I guess some of them actually are...

Yes, in point of fact.

isall

CHRISISALL

Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:52 PM

bumped to stir trouble

ELVISCHRIST

Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:56 PM

[Bush voice]Yer one a-them trouble-stirrers, aintcha? Heh-heh.[/Bush voice]

"I repeat myself when under stress. I repeat myself when under stress. I repeat myself when under stress. I repeat-" - King Crimson, Indiscipline

SICKDUDE

Thursday, June 12, 2008 10:34 PM

You tell 'em, Cisall!!!

"Your gratuitous jello awaits." - Dr. Helen Magnus, Sanctuary

AURAPTOR

Friday, June 13, 2008 12:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
There's really no discussion; if you support lies, torture & war profiteering, then you are in Congress with the Beast. You are evil by mis-interpreting reality, or by embracing greed by way of death.

May God have mercy, 'cause Bush won't.

Biped Planetisall

I don't support lies, and Bush has not told any. I flat out don't agree w/ your premise, so I am for Bush, for freedom and will back him , his mission anywhere, all day long, for as long as I live.

Further, it is YOU who is evil, for being a knowing , willing useful idiot for those who want to destroy Western civilization, force women into Burkas, force girls into having their bodies mutilated, and all that is backwards and evil

May Shiva have no mercy on your worthless hides.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

GINOBIFFARONI

Friday, June 13, 2008 12:35 AM

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/06/11/f-rfa-macdonald.html

The blueprint for Forward Base America
Last Updated: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 | 7:14 PM ET Comments30Recommend60
By Neil Macdonald CBC News

Like the guy in the movie yelling pointlessly out the window how he's mad as hell and isn't going to take it anymore, American voters have a persistent fantasy about their own transformative powers.

They want out of Iraq, which is understandable. Beyond all the corpses, walking wounded and destruction, George W. Bush's expeditionary adventure in social engineering is costing Americans $2 billion a week and there are all sorts of good uses for cash like that here at home.

But most Americans don't understand what is going on right now, urgently and secretly, in Baghdad and Washington. Nor do they realize it may be part of a grand plan, hatched by the same conservative group that brought about the war on Iraq in the first place.

The story began to emerge in a report last week by Patrick Cockburn, the authoritative Middle East correspondent for the Independent.

The gist of it is this: As Bush's term winds down, the administration is urgently pushing for a new "status of forces agreement" with the Iraqi government that would effectively set up an indefinite occupation of Iraq. American negotiators want the deal signed by the end of July. The Iraqis aren't happy.

The United States is reported to be demanding the right to establish up to 58 military bases, jurisdiction over Iraqi airspace up to 30,000 feet, permanent immunity from prosecution for American troops and civilian contractors, and the continuing right to arrest and imprison Iraqis that the U.S. authorities deem a threat, even if the Iraqi government doesn't.
A plan foretold

Cockburn reported that the Bush administration is strongly opposed to any Iraqi referendum on the proposal, for obvious reasons.

Most Iraqis want the Americans gone as soon as possible, not entrenched indefinitely, and everyone there knows better than to go anywhere near the private-sector mercenaries who guard American diplomats and American interests. When they harm and even kill Iraqis, they get to walk away without so much as a by-your-leave. (Usually, they're just transferred back to the U.S.)

"We are being asked to sign for our own occupation," Iraqi lawmaker Jalal al Din al Saghir told McClatchy Newspapers. "Is there sovereignty for Iraq — or isn't there? If it is left to them, they would ask for immunity even for the American dogs."

Neither the negotiations, nor their implications, have received much ink or attention here in the U.S. The Bush administration refuses to discuss the matter and is taking the view that Congress has no role.

Republican presidential nominee John McCain, who believes the U.S. can "win" the Iraq war, has refused to comment on the plan. His opponent, Democrat Barack Obama, who favours a "careful" withdrawal of U.S. troops, has said only that he opposes creation of any permanent American bases in Iraq.

But none of this should be any surprise. In fact, the conservatives who surround Bush explicitly telegraphed their intentions years ago.
The blueprint

Back in 2000, with a Democrat still in the White House, a neo-conservative think tank called the Project for a New American Century produced a document titled "Rebuilding America's Defenses."

PNAC was sponsored by some stellar conservatives. Among them, the current vice-president, Dick Cheney; the former defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld; a war planner named Paul Wolfowitz; and a pantheon of other hawks from the political and Christian right.

Among other things, the September 2000 manifesto proposed military solutions for anything standing in the way of a worldwide Pax Americana.

The PNAC plan called for regime change as a tool of U.S. foreign policy and a strengthening of American military might so as to enable the fighting of simultaneous wars, all in pursuit of an American "benevolent hegemony," to borrow the phrasing of columnist William Kristol, another PNAC stalw

KWICKO

Friday, June 13, 2008 12:41 AM

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I don't support lies, and Bush has not told any.

The problem is, you DO support lies. Saying you don't, and that Bush hasn't told any, is in and of itself a lie.

To say that Bush has never, ever, EVER lied... is a lie.

So you see, you do indeed support lies and the lying liars to tell them. Now and forever more.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

RUE

Friday, June 13, 2008 12:42 AM

Rap

Do you even read what you write ? And if you do, does the unhinged-crazy-talk quality ever concern you ?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I don't support lies, and Bush has not told any. I flat out don't agree w/ your premise, so I am for Bush, for freedom and will back him , his mission anywhere, all day long, for as long as I live.

Further, it is YOU who is evil, for being a knowing , willing useful idiot for those who want to destroy Western civilization, force women into Burkas, force girls into having their bodies mutilated, and all that is backwards and evil

May Shiva have no mercy on your worthless hides.

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CHRISISALL

Friday, June 13, 2008 12:59 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I don't support lies, and Bush has not told any.

Where did I lose you with the whole "There is no discussion" thing?

You are part of the Puppet Theatre here, them that are evil because you back evil actions. I'm not discussin', I'm tellin', and if you don't wanna hear it, go back to an entertainment thread where I can find you agreeable and interesting; on this thread you are one of Satan's mouthpieces, and thou shalt not suffer a witch to live, I believe is the applicable Biblical phrase....

You are ORDERED to read Gino's post above, and UNDERSTAND it as well!!!!

My thread my rulesisall

SIGNYM

Friday, June 13, 2008 1:00 AM

Oh.

I thought Rapo was trying to be funny

You mean that was SERIOUS???? I guess I'll have to take back that howl of laughter!

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AURAPTOR

Friday, June 13, 2008 1:01 AM

rue - I know Chris is mainly joking, so I'm not all that worried about him. But there are folks out there whose unhinged crazy- talk quality does give me pause. Why do you ask ?

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

AURAPTOR

Friday, June 13, 2008 1:03 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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I don't support lies, and Bush has not told any.

The problem is, you DO support lies. Saying you don't, and that Bush hasn't told any, is in and of itself a lie.

To say that Bush has never, ever, EVER lied... is a lie.

So you see, you do indeed support lies and the lying liars to tell them. Now and forever more.

Mike

Drop the b.s and flatly state - per the Iraq war... WHERE DID BUSH LIE ??

Give specifics. Not where he said one thing, and was later proven to be wrong, but where he ABSOLUTLEY knew something, in advance, and then lied about it.

I want that shown HERE, now.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

AURAPTOR

Friday, June 13, 2008 1:05 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Oh.

I thought Rapo was trying to be funny

You mean that was SERIOUS???? I guess I'll have to take back that howl of laughter!

Even more important than being serious, I was being RIGHT.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

SIGNYM

Friday, June 13, 2008 1:08 AM

Rapo: Show me a person who has never lied about anything, ever.

Anyway, he lied about his drugs.

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AFA permanent bases in Iraq... it's been discussed off and on for years. Every time it comes up somebody makes a fuss and it goes dark again. But this is "do or die" time for GWB.

But what I dont' understand is... even if GWB and al Maliki reach an accord, say it's written into Iraq law or becomes some sort of alliance, what's to prevent the next President from reversing the agreement?

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I was being RIGHT

But we already know your political leanings. You only tell us, like, twenty times a day!

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AURAPTOR

Friday, June 13, 2008 1:10 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
He lied about his drugs.

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AFA permanent bases in Iraq... it's been discussed off and on for years. Every time it comes up somebody makes a fuss and it goes dark again. But this is "do or die" time for GWB.

But what I dont' understand is... even if GWB and al Maliki reach an accord, say it's written into Iraq law or becomes some sort of alliance, what's to prevent the next President from reversing the agreement?

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Let's party like it's 1929.

He's not lied about drugs, and that has NOTHING to do w/ the Iraq war.

Try again.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

SIGNYM

Friday, June 13, 2008 1:13 AM

well, you said

Quote:
I don't support lies, and Bush has not told any.

I thought that was a general statement. But of course, he has. About his drug use, for one thing.

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Let's party like it's 1929.

AURAPTOR

Friday, June 13, 2008 1:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
well, you said
Quote:
I don't support lies, and Bush has not told any.
I thought that was a general statement. But of course, he has. About his drug use, for one thing.

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Let's party like it's 1929.

That's twice now you've made that accusation , and have nothing to back it up. But I was answering Chris's original post, and referring to the bigger, all more important issue of Iraq.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

PIRATENEWS

Friday, June 13, 2008 1:24 AM

35 Articles of Impeachment filed in Congress against George W Bush this week. It took Rep Dennis Kucinich 5 hours to read the entire indictment:

http://cspanjunkie.org/?p=158
http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=93581
http://www.infowars.com/?p=2654

Bush ancestor Thomas Percy's head is still on a stick in British Parliament
www.parliament.uk/parliamentary_publications_and_archives/parliamentar
y_archives/gunpowder_plot_400_pow.cfm

V FOR VENDETTA FOR REAL: Bush family's terrorism in Gunpowder Plot to bomb British Parliament

AURAPTOR

Friday, June 13, 2008 2:06 AM

*sigh*

Just when RWED was getting fun again.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

AURAPTOR

Friday, June 13, 2008 2:35 AM

Just a reminder of what a real horny bastard looks like.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

RUE

Friday, June 13, 2008 2:56 AM

What does this have to do with the lies Bush told to attack Iraq, again ?

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When Clinton lied, nobody died.

SERGEANTX

Friday, June 13, 2008 3:33 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
What does this have to do with the lies Bush told to attack Iraq, again ?

Didn't you know? Clinton tricked Bush into telling those lies. Which makes them not really lies! Yeah.... it was Clinton's fault. That's the ticket!

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

GINOBIFFARONI

Friday, June 13, 2008 3:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SergeantX:
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
What does this have to do with the lies Bush told to attack Iraq, again ?

Didn't you know? Clinton tricked Bush into telling those lies. Which makes them not really lies! Yeah.... it was Clinton's fault. That's the ticket!

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

It is because Clinton is such a handsome bastard. the forces of attraction drive W into doing crazy things like he was a teen again. Mind you that would explain the ADD, the awkwardness, etc

Rap will shoot this down, but he has hated Clinton ever since his application to be an intern was rejected.

Lets party like its 1939

KWICKO

Friday, June 13, 2008 4:09 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Just a reminder of what a real horny bastard looks like.

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And that you'd buy into such propaganda as what a President did or didn't say, based on whether you LIKE him or not.

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There are bigger things than petty partisanship.

YOUR words, not mine.

Have you bought into all the propaganda based on whether you LIKE him or not, or are you engaging in petty partisanship, or both?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia

AURAPTOR

Friday, June 13, 2008 11:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
What does this have to do with the lies Bush told to attack Iraq, again ?

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When Clinton lied, nobody died.

Bush told no lies to attack Iraq. That's the point.

And while others need to photo shop an image of Bush , what I posted was an actual photo from Time Magazine, with what "appears to be " Clinton's Satan like horns coming out of his head.

Even the simplest of y'all out there have to admit, that's kinda funny.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

ELVISCHRIST

Friday, June 13, 2008 12:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
What does this have to do with the lies Bush told to attack Iraq, again ?

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When Clinton lied, nobody died.

Bush told no lies to attack Iraq. That's the point.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

Just keep tellin' yourself that...

Takin' Care of Business, Baby!

AURAPTOR

Friday, June 13, 2008 12:10 PM

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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
What does this have to do with the lies Bush told to attack Iraq, again ?

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When Clinton lied, nobody died.

Bush told no lies to attack Iraq. That's the point.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

Just keep tellin' yourself that...

Takin' Care of Business, Baby!

You know what I'd like ? I'd like for YOU or anyone to given an example of ONE lie which Bush told that took us to war w/ Iraq.

JUST ONE !! So far, in 5 + yrs, no one seems to have remembered a single one. I find that curious, don't you ?

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

KHYRON

Friday, June 13, 2008 12:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You know what I'd like ? I'd like for YOU or anyone to given an example of ONE lie which Bush told that took us to war w/ Iraq.

JUST ONE !! So far, in 5 + yrs, no one seems to have remembered a single one. I find that curious, don't you ?

I find it curious that you don't remember anyone remembering any of his lies.

http://www.bushlies.net/iraqlies.html

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AURAPTOR

Friday, June 13, 2008 12:30 PM

You can't do better than to offer a link to a partisan, biased web site that twists and distorts the facts ?

Wow.

All I asked for was ONE lie, and you can't even do that. Amazing.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

KHYRON

Friday, June 13, 2008 12:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You can't do better than to offer a link to a partisan, biased web site that twists and distorts the facts ?

Please let me know which of the so-called lies mentioned on that website aren't lies at all so that I can inform the webmaster about his awfully partisan and biased mistake(s).

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AURAPTOR

Friday, June 13, 2008 12:44 PM

Here's an example of what the Left twists and distorts and then calls LIES , when in fact, there's no lie here, what so ever.

Lie ? Saddam Hussein was a threat because he could have given weapons of mass destruction to terrorist enemies

What was discovered, AFTERWARDS :HAD NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION TO GIVE OUT. ( Everyone assumed this not to be the case, most Democrats included . Not a lie )

“had no . . . strategy or plan for the revival of WMD after sanctions” ended. ( This has proven to be false. Saddam DID have plans to revive his WMD program after sanctions ended. )

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IS IT TRUE that "no WMD was found" in Iraq?
IN FACT:
The Iraq Survey Group found that Saddam Hussein retained both the intention and the capability to revive bio-chemical weapons programs after sanctions were ended.
The reports we had from U.S. intelligence officials on Iraqi WMD painted essentially the same picture that those officials had presented to the Clinton Administration. The CIA declared that Saddam had chemical and biological weapons stockpiles. The stockpiles catalogued by the UN weapons inspectors in 1999 were still unaccounted for, and were therefore presumed to exist. (p. 224)

[T]he Iraq Survey Group team concluded that Saddam had retained the ability to produce chemical and biological weapons rapidly (within a month or two). In the 1990s he had shut down factories dedicated solely to making such weapons, replacing them with "dual-use" facilities capable of producing both civilian products and chemical or biological weapons. That gave him deniability if inspections ever started up again, as Saddam evidently expected they would. (p. 327)

The Iraq Survey Group also found that Saddam had the intention to revive Iraq's chemical and biological weapons programs once the sanctions were ended. He had preserved the necessary teams of technicians, who would be the key to reviving the programs quickly. (p. 327)

The public's impression of the Duelfer Report on these matters was shaped by news media headlines to the effect that "nothing was found." Those headlines were misleading (one might even say fundamentally false), because the ISG found substantial WMD capabilities in Iraq, including personnel, materiel, facilities, and intentions-but not the stockpiles of the weapons themselves. (p. 328)

In the end, there are only three possible explanations for the failure to find the WMD materiel that had been catalogued in detail by UNSCOM. Saddam might have destroyed it, he might have hidden it in Iraq, or he might have transferred it out of Iraq. To this day, we do not know for sure which explanation is correct. (p. 330)

The Iraq Survey Group confirmed that President Bush had grounds for viewing Iraq's WMD capabilities as a compelling threat. The CIA's unsupportable statements about Iraqi stockpiles and WMD activity did not justify critics in making unsupportable pronouncements of their own, to the effect that Saddam had no WMD ambitions or capabilities. (p. 330)

http://www.waranddecision.com/misconceptions/misconception-8
Iraq failed “to acquire long range delivery systems “to replace inventory exhausted in the Iran/Iraq war.” ( It's unlikely Saddam would have sold / given away any of his medium to long range scuds - a moot point. But then one has to ask, what was he using to bomb Israel with then ? Hmmm )

The survey group “uncovered no evidence Iraq retained Scud-variant missiles” and “documentation suggests that Iraq did not retain such missiles after 1991.”

Iraq’s nuclear program ended in 1991 following the Gulf War.
“Initial, Saddam chose to conceal his nuclear program in its entirety. . . [but] [a]ggressive UN inspections after Desert Storm forced Saddam to admit the existence of the program and destroy or surrender compenents of the program.” ( Wait..Saddam was trying to HIDE something from the Inspectors ? Tell me this isn't true !! )

“Iraq unilaterally destroyed is undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991. There are no credible indications that Bag

KHYRON

Friday, June 13, 2008 1:12 PM

Wow, AURaptor, you were right!

"Saddam Hussein was a threat because he could have given weapons of mass destruction to terrorist enemies"

Okay, weapons of mass destruction he didn't have, but could have possibly made once the sanctions were over and the economy had stabilized itself. Alright, this "what if"-scenario, unrelated to the claims of imminent doom made by Bush, has convinced me that Bush in fact didn't lie about anything. All those other lies he's accused of have been proven to be untrue by that excerpt from War And Decision.

By the way, if any of you liberal Bush-hating peace-mongers who are reading this don't know the book that AURaptor was quoting from, it was written by Douglas J. Feith, more info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_J._Feith. Just the sort of unpartisan, unbiased source of information AURaptor wants to see in this discussion.

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ELVISCHRIST

Friday, June 13, 2008 1:36 PM

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JUST ONE !! So far, in 5 + yrs, no one seems to have remembered a single one. I find that curious, don't you ?

They've been gone over ad nauseum, for 5+ years. So far, YOU are the only one who can't seem to remember that.

EC

Takin' Care of Business, Baby!

AURAPTOR

Friday, June 13, 2008 1:37 PM

Hey, I just dismantled one of the silly " lies " that this partisan site claims Bush gave to lead us into war.

But it wasn't a lie, and that's NOT the reason we went into Iraq in the 1st place.

For the 9 millionth time... 17 UN Resolutions , not abided to by Saddam

Broken promises from the 1st Gulf War.

Any of that ring a bell ?

I'm guessing not, not w/ you.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

AURAPTOR

Friday, June 13, 2008 1:39 PM

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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
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JUST ONE !! So far, in 5 + yrs, no one seems to have remembered a single one. I find that curious, don't you ?

They've been gone over ad nauseum, for 5+ years. So far, YOU are the only one who can't seem to remember that.

EC

Takin' Care of Business, Baby!

Give ONE lie, and stop parroting the Left wing mantra that " they've been given ad nauseam , for 5 years ! " ..

If there's so many, then it should be easy to give me ONE!!!

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Friday, June 13, 2008 1:40 PM

I really should stayout of this thread, but I can't help myself.
How 'bout this one?

On May 29, 2003, during a visit to Poland, President Bush declared that the U.S. had “found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories. . . . They’re illegal. They’re against the United Nations resolutions, and we’ve so far discovered two.”
On June 1, 2003, Bush proclaimed that “we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the UN prohibited.”

AURAPTOR

Friday, June 13, 2008 1:42 PM

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By the way, if any of you liberal Bush-hating peace-mongers who are reading this don't know the book that AURaptor was quoting from, it was written by Douglas J. Feith, more info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_J._Feith. Just the sort of unpartisan, unbiased source of information AURaptor wants to see in this discussion.

Then explain your way out of this FACT, which the 'unbiased' media some how overlooked from the same report YOU claim does Bush in.

The stockpiles catalogued by the UN weapons inspectors in 1999 were still unaccounted for, and were therefore presumed to exist. (p. 224)

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

AURAPTOR

Friday, June 13, 2008 1:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
I really should stayout of this thread, but I can't help myself.
How 'bout this one?

On May 29, 2003, during a visit to Poland, President Bush declared that the U.S. had “found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories. . . . They’re illegal. They’re against the United Nations resolutions, and we’ve so far discovered two.”
On June 1, 2003, Bush proclaimed that “we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the UN prohibited.”

First of all, that's POST war information. It has nothing to do w/ anything which was said that allegedly got us into war.

And if he's told they found those things, by his own people, are you saying no such facilities were found ? Could be that what they found were facilities which could be converted , with relative ease, into chem/ bio facilities, or they never were. Could be that he was told wrong. How do you KNOW it was a lie ?

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

ELVISCHRIST

Friday, June 13, 2008 1:47 PM

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“Iraq unilaterally destroyed is undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991. There are no credible indications that Bagdad resumed production of chemical munitions therafter.” ( No one knows that for certain, because of the shell game Saddam played w/ U.N. Inspectors. )

The problem with your argument is that it starts with a presumption of guilt and goes from there. If you start with the proposition that Iraq has WMD and then demand that they prove they don't, you're setting yourself up for the outcome you want. It's up to YOU to prove they DO have them, not the other way around.

You say no one has ever, EVER pointed out even a single lie that Bush told. By the same token, no one has ever brought forth one single piece of solid evidence that Saddam had WMD programs in place at the time of the 2003 invasion. If you're going to start a war, you should really lay out your evidence and your reasons first. And saying "everyone thought he had them" isn't a valid reason. You've never presented one iota of real, tangible evidence that stood up to investigation.

And THAT is the Big Lie - The lie that the war was ever necessary or inevitable, the lie that Saddam had WMD, was trying to acquire them, or was planning on restarting any program at the earliest possible convenience. The lie that he was in league with Al Qaeda, or that the "smoking gun" would be in the form of a mushroom cloud. The lie that the war would be over in a matter of days or weeks, but likely not more than a few months at most. The lie that Republicans "support the troops".

Takin' Care of Business, Baby!

KHYRON

Friday, June 13, 2008 1:52 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
The stockpiles catalogued by the UN weapons inspectors in 1999 were still unaccounted for, and were therefore presumed to exist. (p. 224)

I suppose a good idea would've been to give the weapons inspectors a decent time window to find them back in 2003. Instead, they were abruptly pulled out of the country after a token amount of time so that the war could get started before the Iraqi summer.

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ELVISCHRIST

Friday, June 13, 2008 1:52 PM

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How do you KNOW it was a lie ?

Because his lips were moving?

Takin' Care of Business, Baby!

KHYRON

Friday, June 13, 2008 2:29 PM

Heck, I'll humour you, AURaptor.

President Bush and Secretary Powell repeatedly claimed they had evidence that Iraq attempted to buy 500 tons of uranium oxide from Niger, which can be used to make fuel for nuclear reactors.

Were they lying or weren't they? You decide!

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SIMONWHO

Friday, June 13, 2008 2:32 PM

Just to make it clear, Auraptor is looking for a clear lie told by Bush. Just as long as it isn't one reported by a site that is biased (so only Fox News is acceptable). And it can't be a post-war lie because of... you know, the reason. And it can't be anything that has been proved a lie afterwards.

Why oh why can't people provide such a simple thing?

TELCOD

Friday, June 13, 2008 2:45 PM

The United States disappeared years ago and no one noticed. Corporations run the sham and you all babble about nothing. Getting my sailboat ready to go and am looking into becoming a German citizen. (My father was born there) "Amerika. Love it or leave it." I'm with the leaving part. Can't afford the lousy medical care anyway. Did my time in the Nam. Carried me out. Stupid 18 year old. Don't think God will forgive me. You neither.

Did any of you watch Firefly?

The only good thing about the upcoming election is that it will probably be the last one. They won't even bother next time (May it be so) as you sheepishly swallow $8.00/gal gasoline. It makes absolutely no difference. Not even in regards to the body count.

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." SEDITION BABY!

Captain B
Mark 13 - "And no flesh shall be spared"

RUE

Friday, June 13, 2008 3:39 PM

"... with what "appears to be " Clinton's Satan like horns coming out of his head ."

THREE horns ??? Do you not know how to count ? The devil doesn't have THREE horns. And, well, maybe 'cause there were THREE I thought it looked more like a crown.

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CHRISISALL

Friday, June 13, 2008 3:47 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Here's an example of what the Left twists and distorts and then calls LIES , when in fact, there's no lie here, what so ever.

Lie ? Saddam Hussein was a threat because he could have given weapons of mass destruction to terrorist enemies

What was discovered, AFTERWARDS :HAD NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION TO GIVE OUT. ( Everyone assumed this not to be the case, most Democrats included . Not a lie )

“had no . . . strategy or plan for the revival of WMD after sanctions” ended. ( This has proven to be false. Saddam DID have plans to revive his WMD program after sanctions ended. )

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IS IT TRUE that "no WMD was found" in Iraq?
IN FACT:
The Iraq Survey Group found that Saddam Hussein retained both the intention and the capability to revive bio-chemical weapons programs after sanctions were ended.
The reports we had from U.S. intelligence officials on Iraqi WMD painted essentially the same picture that those officials had presented to the Clinton Administration. The CIA declared that Saddam had chemical and biological weapons stockpiles. The stockpiles catalogued by the UN weapons inspectors in 1999 were still unaccounted for, and were therefore presumed to exist. (p. 224)

[T]he Iraq Survey Group team concluded that Saddam had retained the ability to produce chemical and biological weapons rapidly (within a month or two). In the 1990s he had shut down factories dedicated solely to making such weapons, replacing them with "dual-use" facilities capable of producing both civilian products and chemical or biological weapons. That gave him deniability if inspections ever started up again, as Saddam evidently expected they would. (p. 327)

The Iraq Survey Group also found that Saddam had the intention to revive Iraq's chemical and biological weapons programs once the sanctions were ended. He had preserved the necessary teams of technicians, who would be the key to reviving the programs quickly. (p. 327)

The public's impression of the Duelfer Report on these matters was shaped by news media headlines to the effect that "nothing was found." Those headlines were misleading (one might even say fundamentally false), because the ISG found substantial WMD capabilities in Iraq, including personnel, materiel, facilities, and intentions-but not the stockpiles of the weapons themselves. (p. 328)

In the end, there are only three possible explanations for the failure to find the WMD materiel that had been catalogued in detail by UNSCOM. Saddam might have destroyed it, he might have hidden it in Iraq, or he might have transferred it out of Iraq. To this day, we do not know for sure which explanation is correct. (p. 330)

The Iraq Survey Group confirmed that President Bush had grounds for viewing Iraq's WMD capabilities as a compelling threat. The CIA's unsupportable statements about Iraqi stockpiles and WMD activity did not justify critics in making unsupportable pronouncements of their own, to the effect that Saddam had no WMD ambitions or capabilities. (p. 330)

http://www.waranddecision.com/misconceptions/misconception-8
Iraq failed “to acquire long range delivery systems “to replace inventory exhausted in the Iran/Iraq war.” ( It's unlikely Saddam would have sold / given away any of his medium to long range scuds - a moot point. But then one has to ask, what was he using to bomb Israel with then ? Hmmm )

The survey group “uncovered no evidence Iraq retained Scud-variant missiles” and “documentation suggests that Iraq did not retain such missiles after 1991.”

Iraq’s nuclear program ended in 1991 following the Gulf War.
“Initial, Saddam chose to conceal his nuclear program in its entirety. . . [but] [a]ggressive UN inspections after Desert Storm forced Saddam to admit the existence of the program and destroy or surrender compenents of the program.” ( Wait..Saddam was trying to HIDE something from the Inspectors ? Tell me this isn't true !! )

“Iraq unilaterally destroyed is undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991.

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CHRISISALL

Friday, June 13, 2008 4:00 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

All I asked for was ONE lie, and you can't even do that. Amazing.

AU, how about I turn that around for a second?
What TRUTH has Bush ever spoken? I bet you can't name ONE (apart from correctly identifying people in the government

).

Not ONEisall

SIGNYM

Friday, June 13, 2008 4:06 PM

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The United States disappeared years ago and no one noticed. Corporations run the sham and you all babble about nothing

At last! A kindred spirit! What I find so bemusing is that anti-government folks will run screaming from government and straight into the arms of the monster behind it.

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SIGNYM

Friday, June 13, 2008 4:12 PM

Drug lies

www.pensitoreview.com/2008/05/28/mcclellan-first-noticed-bush-lies-in-
1999-cocaine-flap/

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ELVISCHRIST

Friday, June 13, 2008 4:27 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Drug lies

www.pensitoreview.com/2008/05/28/mcclellan-first-noticed-bush-lies-in-
1999-cocaine-flap/

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Also military (dis)service lies.

Takin' Care of Business, Baby!

CITIZEN

Friday, June 13, 2008 5:02 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Just keep tellin' yourself that...

Takin' Care of Business, Baby!

You know what I'd like ? I'd like for YOU or anyone to given an example of ONE lie which Bush told that took us to war w/ Iraq.

JUST ONE !! So far, in 5 + yrs, no one seems to have remembered a single one. I find that curious, don't you ?

Weapons of Mass Destruction are in Iraq, except they aren't.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

CHRISISALL

Friday, June 13, 2008 7:37 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
Weapons of Mass Destruction are in Iraq, except they aren't.

But Cit- that wasn't a lie, it was an inconclusive leap to known possible concrete shifting relevant theoretical substantial factual manufactured relayed data.
Duh.

Excusive Chrisisall

HERO

Friday, June 13, 2008 8:43 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
There's really no discussion;

Oh, well thats always been the liberal position. No discussion, no free speech, no 'agree to disagree'. Here I am, the evil conservative who thinks Bush is pretty good but willing to engage in spirited debate on any subject...and there you are warming up the ovens to dispose of those you consider less then human (aka anyone who thinks differently then you).

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if you support lies, torture & war profiteering, then you are in Congress with the Beast.

I note for the record that the Democrats control Congress. I also note that Nancy Pelosi may be the devil. So your point is well taken.

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You are evil by mis-interpreting reality, or by embracing greed by way of death.

This statement makes no sense. Perhaps we should discuss it...

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There's really no discussion

...

H

KWICKO

Friday, June 13, 2008 9:00 PM

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Oh, well thats always been the liberal position. No discussion, no free speech, no 'agree to disagree'. Here I am, the evil conservative who thinks Bush is pretty good but willing to engage in spirited debate on any subject...and there you are warming up the ovens to dispose of those you consider less then human (aka anyone who thinks differently then you).

In another post, Hero wrote:

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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by piratenews:

Michael Reagan wants to shoot Pirate News.

Then Michael Reagan is making good sense.

H

So, in your own words, you're just fine with conservatives killing other Americans who don't think like them.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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CHRISISALL

Friday, June 13, 2008 9:14 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:
Here I am, the evil conservative who thinks Bush is pretty good

Exactly.
See, if I support lowering taxes, I might or might not have an argument for it.
If I support McCain as opposed to Obama, I might or might not have an argument for it.
If I support Bush, then I'm supporting what he stands for, and that is not a debatable wright or wrong, it is objectively evil...from Vet maltreatment to torture, he is an instrument of the most low. And to agree with that makes you less humane. So

evil Conservative, come back when you become a good one by removing the GO BUSH! bumpersticker from your otherwise nice ride.

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I note for the record that the Democrats control Congress. I also note that Nancy Pelosi may be the devil. So your point is well taken.

I don't disagree with any particular point here.

"You are evil by mis-interpreting reality, or by embracing greed by way of death."

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This statement makes no sense.

Sorry....here:
"You are evil by intentionally mis-interpreting the reality of the politics involved with adventurism, or by embracing greed by way of approving of the needless deaths in this highly profitable war."

Thereyagoisall

KWICKO

Friday, June 13, 2008 9:22 PM

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...and there you are warming up the ovens to dispose of those you consider less then human (aka anyone who thinks differently then you).

Talk about a statement that makes no sense...

You consider us less WHEN human? For the record, and because you make this mistake every single time you try to use the word, "then" denotes a measure of time. When are we going? We're going THEN. "Than" represents a measure of comparison: "I'd rather be a hammer THAN a nail."

So you might consider us less THAN human, but it would be hard to consider us less THEN human, without a timeframe offered in contrast. If THEN, then when?

Sorry, but that one bugs me, and I see it all too often online. Then & than... there, their, and they're... your and you're (and possibly yore)...

We can do better than that. Just because your President doesn't speak gooder, means you do. ;)

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia

SIGNYM

Friday, June 13, 2008 10:57 PM

Rapo, the problem is that you have no interest at all as to whether Bush lied about anything. (In point of fact, he lied about a LOT of things, including the cost of the Medicare Drug program.) The reason WHY you don't care is because, in your humble opinion, whether Bush lied or not he did the most important thing right: He recognized and militarily attacked jihadism. That fact ALONE is enough to justify anything else that Bush may or may not have done.

Correct?

So, the real discussion isn't whether "Bush lied", the REAL discusison is whether we (personally, our nation, and our culture) is in mortal danger from jihadism, and secondarily whether invading Iraq was a signficant positive step in winning the war against terrorism.

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Again, what of the UNDECLARED stockpiles ?

Well, what about OUR undeclared stockpiles, eh???

What's that?

You mean you didn't know we had them???

Well, of course not! But I'm telling you, if we don't prove that we don't have them we're gonna be in BIG TROUBLE. 'Cause we signed all kinds of treaties about that! SO now we have to prove that we DON'T HAVE UNDECLARED STOCKPILES!

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GEEZER

Friday, June 13, 2008 11:43 PM

Signym.

So, you consider these statements lies?

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next 5 years. He could have if earlier if he is able to obtain fissile materials in the outside market, which is possible - difficult but possible. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress that Saddam Hussein has been able to make in the development of weapons of mass destruction."

"Saddam's existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose real threats to America today, tomorrow. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both against Iraq's enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop delivery systems like missles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle East. He could make these weapons available to many terrorist groups, third parties, which have contact with his government. These groups, in turn, could bring these weapons into the United States and unleas a devastating attack against our citizens. I fear that greatly."

"Keep the Shiny side up"

AURAPTOR

Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:58 AM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
Heck, I'll humour you, AURaptor.

President Bush and Secretary Powell repeatedly claimed they had evidence that Iraq attempted to buy 500 tons of uranium oxide from Niger, which can be used to make fuel for nuclear reactors.

Were they lying or weren't they? You decide!

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Swing and a miss. They never " repeatedly " claimed they had such evidence, but all Bush did was refer to what the BRITISH were saying, per THEIR intelligence. And the Brits, to this DAY , still say Iraq was seeking to buy Yellowcake from Niger, the exact same place they got it the 1st time Iraq tried to build a nuclear reactor, back in 1980.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

AURAPTOR

Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:01 AM

Wrong Sig. All I'm concerned about is partisan zealots making claims about The President lying, but not being able to back up such wild, absurd and fictional claims.

It's really just that simple.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

KWICKO

Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:42 AM

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Swing and a miss. They never " repeatedly " claimed they had such evidence, but all Bush did was refer to what the BRITISH were saying, per THEIR intelligence.

So because the British intel was wrong - and it was pointed out REPEATEDLY to Bush that it was indeed wrong, by many sources in the US intel industry as well as others in intel agencies in other countries - you maintain that he didn't lie. He just said something that he knew was untrue, which is so completely different than lying...

I don't think it's a viable legal defense that you didn't commit the crime if you didn't know it was a crime when you committed it. You seem to be saying that if he didn't know it was a lie, then it wasn't a lie.

Also, Bush has publicly come out and said in recent weeks that global warming exists, and mankind has contributed to it. Now, given your long-standing stance that global warming is a lie, a myth, a left-wing conspiracy, and simply doesn't exist, I have to ask - is Bush lying, or are YOU?

That has nothing to do with the run-up to war, but you have stated repeatedly that "Bush never lied". Now you seem to want to parse your words and amend your earlier statements. So I ask for clarification: Did Bush EVER lie, about anything?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia

SIGNYM

Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:45 AM

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Wrong Sig. All I'm concerned about is partisan zealots making claims about The President lying, but not being able to back up such wild, absurd and fictional claims.

First you said it was about Bush lying. Then you said it was limited to lying about Iraq. Now you seem to be generalizing the topic again. What's your point?

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AURAPTOR

Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:52 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Swing and a miss. They never " repeatedly " claimed they had such evidence, but all Bush did was refer to what the BRITISH were saying, per THEIR intelligence.

So because the British intel was wrong - and it was pointed out REPEATEDLY to Bush that it was indeed wrong, by many sources in the US intel industry as well as others in intel agencies in other countries - you maintain that he didn't lie. He just said something that he knew was untrue, which is so completely different than lying...

The intel wasn't wrong. US sources only said that THEIR intel couldn't confirm it, meaning that they COULD NOT CONFIRM IT! That doesn't mean ti was WRONG, moron. Get that through your thick skull. He DID NOT say anything which he knew was untrue. The Brits , TO THIS DAY still maintain their intel was right. And all Bush did was correctly state that the BRITISH say Saddam was trying to buy MORE YCU from Niger, the same place Iraq bought it the FIRST DAMN TIME.

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I don't think it's a viable legal defense that you didn't commit the crime if you didn't know it was a crime when you committed it. You seem to be saying that if he didn't know it was a lie, then it wasn't a lie.
Well, you got one thing right. If Bush didn't know it was a lie, then in fact he did NOT lie! Genius!

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Also, Bush has publicly come out and said in recent weeks that global warming exists, and mankind has contributed to it. Now, given your long-standing stance that global warming is a lie, a myth, a left-wing conspiracy, and simply doesn't exist, I have to ask - is Bush lying, or are YOU?
Different, irrelevant issue all together. Bush may BELIEVE global warming is valid, or he could be simply placating those who he thinks are worth placating , so he's giving them what they want to hear. Not all that rare for a politician, after all. I have no idea whether he KNOWS global warming is true or not, but I do know ONE thing.... that he's WRONG. Being WRONG does not necessarily make one a liar, now does it ?

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That has nothing to do with the run-up to war, but you have stated repeatedly that "Bush never lied". Now you seem to want to parse your words and amend your earlier statements. So I ask for clarification: Did Bush EVER lie, about anything?

Mike

No, I'm not parsing my words here, you're just trying to play games here. The issue is the Iraqi war. That's all I talking about here in this thread.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

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CHRISISALL

Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:43 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
The issue is the Iraqi war. That's all I talking about here in this thread.

No, all you're talking about in this thread is that YOU are right about YOUR assessment of Bush's ability to tell the truth and distinguish right from wrong. It's all about YOU, AU, and YOUR inability to admit being mistaken.

Turn down the ego a bit and look at reality, and again, since this is MY thread, that is an order young man. Don't make me send you to your room !!!!

PapaChrisisall

GINOBIFFARONI

Saturday, June 14, 2008 3:22 AM

Be fun to play that " Tell me three things and make one of them a lie " game with Bush, wouldn't it....

Lets party like its 1939

AURAPTOR

Saturday, June 14, 2008 3:26 AM

Chrissy, if you could do me the favor of simply giving ONE lie Bush told that sent us to war w/ Iraq, I'd gladly say uncle.

Just one, please.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

SERGEANTX

Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:40 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Chrissy, if you could do me the favor of simply giving ONE lie Bush told that sent us to war w/ Iraq, I'd gladly say uncle.

It works even better if you put your fingers in your ears and shout "I can't hear you!" over and over...

There have been several examples of Bush's lies in this thread, and many, many more in others over the years. All you're saying is you don't believe them - and then telling your own lies by saying no one has provided instances of Bush's.

Seriously, all you're proving with this droning refrain is your infinite capacity for delusion.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

ELVISCHRIST

Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:49 AM

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Chrissy, if you could do me the favor of simply giving ONE lie Bush told that sent us to war w/ Iraq, I'd gladly say uncle.

Just one, please.

The thing is, you wouldn't say uncle. You'd attack the source and dismiss it as a left-wing attempt to lie about Bush. I've seen you do it over and over again.

What you're REALLY saying is that if someone can give you just one instance where Bush lied and it was confirmed by one of your "approved" news sources which are beholden to the far right (Fox News, NewsCorpse, et al), THEN you might accept it. Only you wouldn't, because you'd instantly brand any such news outlet or reporter as traitorous and worthy of being shot in the head.

Takin' Care of Business, Baby!

ELVISCHRIST

Saturday, June 14, 2008 6:09 AM

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Well, you got one thing right. If Bush didn't know it was a lie, then in fact he did NOT lie! Genius!

So if one doesn't know or believe that 9/11 wasn't a U.S. conspiracy, then saying it was an inside job would NOT be a lie! Genius!

Takin' Care of Business, Baby!

KWICKO

Saturday, June 14, 2008 7:08 AM

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...but I do know ONE thing.... that he's WRONG. Being WRONG does not necessarily make one a liar, now does it ?

Well, in point of fact, yes. Claiming facts and knowledge that are wrong, and passing them along and repeating them as fact without credible evidence that they are indeed fact, and with credible evidence that they are indeed NOT fact, is LYING.

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The intel wasn't wrong. US sources only said that THEIR intel couldn't confirm it, meaning that they COULD NOT CONFIRM IT! He DID NOT say anything which he knew was untrue. The Brits , TO THIS DAY still maintain their intel was right.

The Brits still maintain their intel was correct. Wonderful.

Bush and his officials knew better, because they had been told - REPEATEDLY - that this was bad intel.

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Public Statement of President George W. Bush:
"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
Source: President Delivers "State of the Union", White House (1/28/2003).

Why This Statement is Misleading:
This statement was misleading because it suggested that Iraq sought uranium from Africa despite the fact that the CIA expressed doubts about the credibility of this claim in two memos to the White House, including one addressed to National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice. CIA Director George Tenet also warned against using the claim in a telephone call to Ms. Rice's deputy. In addition, the statement fails to mention that State Department intelligence officials also concluded that this claim was "highly dubious."

Also, it should be noted that of the two mines where Saddam was allegedly buying his yellowcake, one was flooded at the time of the British "intel", and the other was under control of French authorities.

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Public Statement of President George W. Bush:
"He said he wouldn't have chemical weapons, he's got them."
Source: Remarks by the President at Arkansas Welcome, White House (11/4/2002).

Why This Statement is Misleading:
This statement was misleading because it professed certainty. According to CIA Director George Tenet, "it is important to underline the word estimate." In addition, the statement failed to acknowledge the Defense Intelligence Agency position that: "There is no reliable information on whether Iraq is producing and stockpiling chemical weapons or where Iraq has -- or will -- establish its chemical warfare agent production facilities."

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Public Statement of President George W. Bush:
"Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons."
Source: President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat; Remarks by the President on Iraq, White House (10/7/2002).

Why This Statement is Misleading:
This statement was misleading because it suggested that Iraq sought aluminum tubes for use in its nuclear weapons program, failing to mention that the government’s most experienced technical experts at the U.S. Department of Energy concluded that the tubes were "poorly suited" for this purpose.

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Public Statement of President George W. Bush:
"If the Iraq regime is able to produce, buy, or steal an amount of highly enriched uranium a little larger than a single softball, it could have a nuclear weapon in less than one year."
Source: President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat; Remarks by the President on Iraq, White House (10/7/2002).

Why This Statement is Misleading:
This statement was misleading because it failed to provide the context that the U.S. intelligence community believed that Iraq probably would not be able to make a nuclear weapon until near the end of the decade.

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Public Statement of President George W. Bush:
"Knowing these realities, America must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof - the smoking gun - that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud."
Source: President Bush Outl

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KWICKO

Saturday, June 14, 2008 7:51 AM

And the lies from the Bush Administration just keep coming...

This time, we're being lied to about IRAN. Imagine that... An administration lying to try to promote a war...

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Arming our own enemies in Iraq
Submitted by davidswanson on Fri, 2008-06-06 02:55.
Bush officials claim that Iran has supplied grenade launchers to Iraqi militants -- but the real source of the weapons is U.S. negligence.
By Gareth Porter, Salon

June 6, 2008 | In recent months, Gen. David Petraeus charged that Iran has supplied powerful rocket-propelled grenade launchers to Shiite militias in Iraq. But according to the U.S. government's own reports, there is no evidence to support that charge. In fact, the vast majority of RPGs in the hands of Shiite militants have come from either U.S.-purchased weapons intended for Iraq's new security forces, or from Saddam Hussein's old stockpiles, which the U.S. failed to secure when it took control of the country.

The Bush administration has long sought to create the impression that Iran has been playing a major military role in Iraq by supplying arms to Shiite militias, including the cleric Muqtada al-Sadr's powerful Mahdi army. But to date, U.S. military officials have offered scant or even dubious evidence of Iranian military involvement in Iraq -- and Petraeus' allegation about the RPGs is a clear-cut case of unsubstantiated charges.

Last October, and again in late December, Petraeus stated emphatically there was "absolutely no question" that Iran provided RPG-29s, a sophisticated anti-tank weapon, to Iraqi Shiite militiamen. He even called the RPG-29 an Iranian "signature weapon."

What Petraeus failed to mention, however, is that RPG-29s are manufactured by Russia, not Iran, and those that have shown up in Iraq apparently came from Syria. The Syrian government bought large numbers of RPG-29s from Russia in 1999 and 2000, many of which ended up being used by Hezbollah in the war against Israel in 2006, according to Israeli and Lebanese media reports. Even some U.S. military officials were quoted in the media in May 2006 as saying that they believed RPG-29s had been smuggled into Iraq from Syria.

Moreover, as Air Force Col. Scott Maw of the Multi-National Force Iraq (MNF-I) Strategic Communications Office told me in a telephone interview last week, "very few" RPG-29s have actually been found in Iraq. An examination of U.S. military press releases on weapons caches found in Shiite areas reveals no mention of RPG-29s. Additionally, the U.S. military has never displayed a captured one to reporters.
In a highly publicized February 2007 slide show, U.S. military briefers did include a picture of what was identified as a round to be fired by an Iranian-made RPG-7AT-1 launcher, a less advanced weapon than the RPG-29, although it did not depict the launcher itself. But the U.S. military has found no evidence of an Iranian pipeline of RPG-7s to Iraqi Shiite militants, either.

In more than two dozen MNF-I news releases on Iraqi Shiite weapons since early 2007, more than 200 RPGs are listed. Not a single one was identified as Iranian-made. That was not because of a lack of effort by the U.S. military, however, to determine whether captured weapons were of Iranian origin. Lt. Col. Steve Stover, the spokesman for the 4th Infantry Division, which is deployed in and around Baghdad, confirmed that explosives experts examine the findings at each cache site to determine the origin of the weapons. "Normally we say whether they are Iranian-manufactured or not," Stover said in a telephone interview.

Col. Maw said that the number of these weapons found in militants' possession is rising rapidly -- now more than 400 -- due to many discoveries being made by Iraqi Security Forces in recent months. "Very few of them are of recent manufacture," he said, suggesting that they came from Saddam Hussein's old stockpiles.

The U.S. command is so eager to highlight any weapons that can be linked to Iran that one MNF-I press release from last September singled out the discovery of four Iranian hand gren

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CITIZEN

Saturday, June 14, 2008 8:45 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
The Brits still maintain their intel was correct. Wonderful.

MI6 was livid the way the dossier was changed, most of the 'evidence' Bush used to legitimise war in Iraq didn't come from British Intelligence, it came from the Intelligence Dossier on Iraq, most of which came from some where other than British intelligence. Google Dr David Kelly, or the Hutton Report for more of that controversy. British Intelligence doesn't stand by the Dossier, they didn't stand by it even before the invasion of Iraq, and it's pretty much accepted here that it was a load of bollocks, so where the accusation that the 'Brits still maintain their intel was correct' comes from eludes me. Unless they mean the intelligence gathered by MI6, which may be correct, but wasn't used to justify the Iraq war. Smells of smoke and mirrors to me.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SergeantX:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Chrissy, if you could do me the favor of simply giving ONE lie Bush told that sent us to war w/ Iraq, I'd gladly say uncle.

It works even better if you put your fingers in your ears and shout "I can't hear you!" over and over...

There have been several examples of Bush's lies in this thread, and many, many more in others over the years. All you're saying is you don't believe them - and then telling your own lies by saying no one has provided instances of Bush's.

Seriously, all you're proving with this droning refrain is your infinite capacity for delusion.

SergeantX

Point of fact, there have been no examples of Bush lying us into war, just twisted , distorted snippets which feverish anarchist types use to belittle the President.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

AURAPTOR

Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:16 AM

Mike, all these quotes you claim are " misleading " are nothing more than OPINION !! These aren't FACTS. If the President is told by his CIA director that the case against Saddam and WMD is a " slam dunk ", wtf is the President suppose to do ? Tell the American public that his top intelligence man said one thing, but I'm just not too certain there's anything to worry about here. Even though every single Democrat leader has been saying Saddam has WMD and we must not allow him to use them again, , even though there were 17 U.N. Resolutions against Iraq , even though there were agreements from the 1st Gulf War which were broken, even though there were missing WMD materials - catalogued by the UNITED NATIONS THEMSELVES, even though all this was going on and a HELL of a lot more that's not even been reported,..... you STILL want to take the position that.....meh, there's nothing to all these things. Maybe we should roll over and go back to sleep? ( Like we did for the previous 8 yrs ??? ) Sorry, but the one legitimate thing Bush has done in his terms in office is to protect the United States, its interest and the interest of many other countries.

Them's the facts, whether you want to accept them or not.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

WHOZIT

Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
There's really no discussion; if you support lies, torture & war profiteering, then you are in Congress with the Beast. You are evil by mis-interpreting reality, or by embracing greed by way of death.

May God have mercy, 'cause Bush won't.

Biped Planetisall

Where do you get off deciding who's evil? Did you ever wonder if you may be on the wrong side? I'm sure during WW2 most Germans thought they were the good guys. You're like those race baiting poverty pimps who think they have the power to decide who's black and who is not. For example, they say Justice Thomas is'nt black because he's a conservitive. If that empty suited puppet Obama gets elected and things get worse, will you call him evil or make excuses for him. Also, the Demonrats now control the house and senate, they said in 2006 they'd do something to lower gas prices. THEY LIED!!!!

CITIZEN

Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
Where do you get off deciding who's evil? Did you ever wonder if you may be on the wrong side? I'm sure during WW2 most Germans thought they were the good guys.

Did you? Or is you're point that you can't take a joke?

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

KWICKO

Saturday, June 14, 2008 3:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:

Where do you get off deciding who's evil? Did you ever wonder if you may be on the wrong side? I'm sure during WW2 most Germans thought they were the good guys. You're like those race baiting poverty pimps who think they have the power to decide who's black and who is not. For example, they say Justice Thomas is'nt black because he's a conservitive. If that empty suited puppet Obama gets elected and things get worse, will you call him evil or make excuses for him. Also, the Demonrats now control the house and senate, they said in 2006 they'd do something to lower gas prices. THEY LIED!!!!

Where to begin...?

You're sure during WWII most Germans thought they were the good guys, huh? Guess what - when Bush launched this illegal, immoral, and unjust war, most Americans thought they were the good guys, too. So YOU are saying that America is no better than Nazi Germany! If they thought they were the good guys, did that make it so? Were they in fact good, or were they evil?

"Poverty pimps" - You mean like the conservative talk-radio hosts who refer to Obama as a "Halfrican-American"? Those race-baiters? The ones who also get to decide who's a Muslim? I honestly don't think I've ever heard anyone claim that Justice Clarence Thomas "isn't black". I *have* heard people say that he doesn't represent black interests, but those people are dolts who don't realize that Thomas wasn't appointed to the Black Supreme Court, but rather to the United States Supreme Court, which represents ALL of the American people, not just the white or black ones.

If Obama gets elected and things get worse... Define "worse". If he launches a war based on lies and misrepresentation, if he uses ruses like "security" and fear to try to strip away Constitutional protections, if he tries to replace public education with state-sponsored faith-based religious indoctrination, then yes, I'll call him evil. If he tries to expand the use of torture on American soil, then yes, I'll call him evil.

Will I make excuses for him? You mean excuses like, "but the President doesn't have any say over the economy" or "but he never lied, because he's the President" or "we don't torture because the President said so"? Those kinds of excuses? I'll leave those to you and your kind.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia

WHOZIT

Saturday, June 14, 2008 3:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:

Where do you get off deciding who's evil? Did you ever wonder if you may be on the wrong side? I'm sure during WW2 most Germans thought they were the good guys. You're like those race baiting poverty pimps who think they have the power to decide who's black and who is not. For example, they say Justice Thomas is'nt black because he's a conservitive. If that empty suited puppet Obama gets elected and things get worse, will you call him evil or make excuses for him. Also, the Demonrats now control the house and senate, they said in 2006 they'd do something to lower gas prices. THEY LIED!!!!

Where to begin...?

You're sure during WWII most Germans thought they were the good guys, huh? Guess what - when Bush launched this illegal, immoral, and unjust war, most Americans thought they were the good guys, too. So YOU are saying that America is no better than Nazi Germany! If they thought they were the good guys, did that make it so? Were they in fact good, or were they evil?

"Poverty pimps" - You mean like the conservative talk-radio hosts who refer to Obama as a "Halfrican-American"? Those race-baiters? The ones who also get to decide who's a Muslim? I honestly don't think I've ever heard anyone claim that Justice Clarence Thomas "isn't black". I *have* heard people say that he doesn't represent black interests, but those people are dolts who don't realize that Thomas wasn't appointed to the Black Supreme Court, but rather to the United States Supreme Court, which represents ALL of the American people, not just the white or black ones.

If Obama gets elected and things get worse... Define "worse". If he launches a war based on lies and misrepresentation, if he uses ruses like "security" and fear to try to strip away Constitutional protections, if he tries to replace public education with state-sponsored faith-based religious indoctrination, then yes, I'll call him evil. If he tries to expand the use of torture on American soil, then yes, I'll call him evil.

Will I make excuses for him? You mean excuses like, "but the President doesn't have any say over the economy" or "but he never lied, because he's the President" or "we don't torture because the President said so"? Those kinds of excuses? I'll leave those to you and your kind.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia

This country is made up of my kind, your kind and every kind, my point was simply were do you get the rite to call me call me and my kind evil? When you think about it you are prejudgeing me, we've never met so that makes you and your kind "BIGOTS" You think I'm evil becase I do'nt agree with you?

CHRISISALL

Saturday, June 14, 2008 4:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
were do you get the rite to call me call me and my kind evil?

You support Charles Manson and you support murder- evil.
You support Saddam Hussien and you support genocide- evil.
You support Bush and you support feeding the men & women of our armed forces into a meat-grinder, and having the wounded come back to intentionally sub-standard care- evil.

It's a no-brainer Whozit...you just don't support those that trade death for profit & power.

Try not to be so evil in future, okay?

Judge Chrisisall

SERGEANTX

Saturday, June 14, 2008 4:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:Where do you get off deciding who's evil? Did you ever wonder if you may be on the wrong side? I'm sure during WW2 most Germans thought they were the good guys. You're like those race baiting poverty pimps who think they have the power to decide who's black and who is not.

That was sort of the point, whozit. If any thing is truly evil, it's chrisisall's demented sense of humor.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

CHRISISALL

Saturday, June 14, 2008 4:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Them's the facts, whether you want to accept them or not.

AU, you've not followed my commands....

So, you are right. Bush tells no lies, just inconclusive leaps to known possible concrete shifting relevant theoretical substantial factual manufactured relayed data.

See, if Clinton was your boy like Bush is, you'd say he didn't actually lie about his sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky, because a blowjob is mere oral stimulation, not actual sexual union.

I'm THIS CLOSE to banning you from this thread, my friend, due your gleeful embrace of evil here.....you vex me to no end!!!
Don't be surprised if you get a burn notice soon!

The angry green Chrisisall

WHOZIT

Saturday, June 14, 2008 4:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
were do you get the rite to call me call me and my kind evil?
You support Charles Manson and you support murder- evil.
You support Saddam Hussien and you support genocide- evil.
You support Bush and you support feeding the men & women of our armed forces into a meat-grinder, and having the wounded come back to intentionally sub-standard care- evil.

It's a no-brainer Whozit...you just don't support those that trade death for profit & power.

Try not to be so evil in future, okay?

Judge Chrisisall

Intentional sub standard care? Comparing Bush to Hussian? Does Bush have "rape rooms", does he want all the Jews dead? The filthy lies you and your kind spread make you the evil ones........and nutz!

CHRISISALL

Saturday, June 14, 2008 4:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
If that empty suited puppet Obama gets elected and things get worse, will you call him evil

Well, since he's a puppet, technically, the source of evil would be the hand....

Digital Chrisisall

WHOZIT

Saturday, June 14, 2008 4:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
If that empty suited puppet Obama gets elected and things get worse, will you call him evil
Well, since he's a puppet, technically, the source of evil would be the hand....

Digital Chrisisall

So you will make excuses for him.

CHRISISALL

Saturday, June 14, 2008 4:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
The filthy lies you and your kind spread make you the evil ones........

So, 'cause Bush hasn't gotten AS MANY killed as Saddam has, he is not evil? Whozit, how many do you needlessly have to get killed before you're evil? A million? What's the exact numerical stance on evil? Is Manson a righteous dude? He never got NEARLY as many peeps dead as Saddam....

Ever see Omen III?

You evil biped.

Get behind me Satan, and dooooon't pushisall

CHRISISALL

Saturday, June 14, 2008 4:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:

So you will make excuses for him.

Y'all believe this guy???

Not gettingisall

WHOZIT

Saturday, June 14, 2008 4:59 PM

FDR sent troops to destroy Hitler, thousnds of troops died, in your eyes FDR as evil as Hitler? Bush did not intentionaly send wounded troops to rat infested care centers, that's a lie! So that makes you people liars! There for as the filthy liars that you are, this makes you the evil ones, because the evil lie! I bet you filthy liars also think Bush and Jews planed the 9/11 attacks, this makes Ya'll liars and NUTZ!!!

RALLEM

Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:00 PM

The evil Democrats only have one stance on which they hope to election and that is on how to best lose this war we are fighting in Iraq. Well I suppose war isn't actually the right word because we already won that war, and what they really plan on failing is the rebuilding of Iraq. Many of you evil Democrats refuse to accept any evidence of the "Rebuilding of Iraq," except from the liberal News media, but let me give you a hint that the severe slow down of "Bad news" in the liberal media is a hint to you that we are winning this rebuilding of a nation.

Sure there have been many mistakes in this project we underwent, and hind sight 20/20 perhaps we should have ran Iraq much as we did in Japan and Germany. In Germany we faced the same terrors as we are facing in Iraq except in Germany the people there began turning on the Nazi Terrorists only after two years and in Iraq it took them five years to begin turning on those Insurgents.

What more can our soldiers do over there in Iraq to make it a more secure nation? Well not much, except hold on the line a while longer as Iraq gets its stuff together. What those people in Iraq need are items to help them live more normal lives which a government should be supplying such as reliable electricity, and medicines for their hospitals and these are not things which the Military can provide unless given the resources and the mission to do so. My suggestion to whoever is the next President of the United States of America is that we shouldn’t pull back our forces from Iraq before we have one more surge of troops, but the next surge of troops should be different than the last. I think in the next surge of troops we should send over to Iraq more Electricians and Supply Personnel with more Security Forces to protect those performing the missions to better the infrastructures id Iraq.

I do recall President Bush warning us all that this mission in Iraq would take a long time to complete and I also remember the American Populace rather enthusiastically agreeing to this mission, and if we back out now, not only will our Military become obsolete, but so will the will of the American citizen because we will be nothing more than the punks which Al Queda proclaims we are already.

I think after the debates between McCain and Obama and who ever they choose for their VP candidates that most Americans will opt for the more sensible approach of the Republican Candidate unless of course he being old somehow fouls up his deliverance of his stances on issues. Twice before the Democrats have sworn that the elections preceding this one was definitely theirs for the winning and twice before they lost to their shock. I think this time will be the third shocker for those Democrats.

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SIGNYM

Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:27 PM

Quote:
FDR sent troops to destroy Hitler, thousnds of troops died, in your eyes FDR as evil as Hitler? Bush did not intentionaly send wounded troops to rat infested care centers, that's a lie! So that makes you people liars! There for as the filthy liars that you are, this makes you the evil ones, because the evil lie! I bet you filthy liars also think Bush and Jews planed the 9/11 attacks, this makes Ya'll liars and NUTZ!!!

Am I supposed to laugh, or was this serious?

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Let's party like it's 1929.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
You support Charles Manson and you support murder- evil.
You support Saddam Hussien and you support genocide- evil.
You support Bush and you support feeding the men & women of our armed forces into a meat-grinder, and having the wounded come back to intentionally sub-standard care- evil.

C'mon.... you know the words! Now sing along!!

One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

AURAPTOR

Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:

I'm THIS CLOSE to banning you from this thread, my friend, due your gleeful embrace of evil here.....you vex me to no end!!!
Don't be surprised if you get a burn notice soon!

The angry green Chrisisall

Throw in a Bruce Campbell character and a zesty Fiona clone, and I'm all for it !

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

TOSABROWNCOAT

Saturday, June 14, 2008 8:14 PM

C'mon.... you know the words! Now sing along!!

One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

Know what, whether Bush lied or not, can we not all agree that too many people are dieing in this war- too many innocent people. That too many people are losing sons, daughters, husbands, fathers, wifes and mothers. Can we at least not all agree on that because honestly if you can't I think you truly are evil. Try sticking to less of the name calling we are not children but rather state the honest facts and show you opinion in the elections and vote.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, June 14, 2008 8:17 PM

TOSA - How many innocents died before the war ? I guess that number was ok, since it was out of sight, right ? We're hoping to change all that.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

RALLEM

Saturday, June 14, 2008 8:53 PM

How can they be innocent if they are Muslim? Aren't all Muslims evil God haters?

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WHOZIT

Saturday, June 14, 2008 9:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:
FDR sent troops to destroy Hitler, thousnds of troops died, in your eyes FDR as evil as Hitler? Bush did not intentionaly send wounded troops to rat infested care centers, that's a lie! So that makes you people liars! There for as the filthy liars that you are, this makes you the evil ones, because the evil lie! I bet you filthy liars also think Bush and Jews planed the 9/11 attacks, this makes Ya'll liars and NUTZ!!!
Am I supposed to laugh, or was this serious?

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Let's party like it's 1929.

Yes laugh, I give up, I'm evil and going to eat a baby.(Taste like chicken) People like me say "live", witch is why we're pro life, you say "evil", witch is why you think Bush and the Jews planned 9/11. I'd wather be evil than NUTZ!

FLETCH2

Saturday, June 14, 2008 10:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

You seem to be saying that if he didn't know it was a lie, then it wasn't a lie.

Wait a second, that's true though. Say you miss the big ball game, you ring your brother and he tells you that Boston won when they lost. You then tell your friend Jerry that Boston won.

Did you just lie to Jerry? Or did you just pass along information that proves to be wrong?

To my mind being wrong and telling a lie hinges completely on if the person giving out the information knows it to be false otherwise it's just bad info.

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CHRISISALL

Sunday, June 15, 2008 2:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Throw in a Bruce Campbell character and a zesty Fiona clone, and I'm all for it !

That's it. Your flippant attitude has earned you this:
YOU ARE BANNED FROM THIS THREAD AURAPTOR!!!!
Your IP is being traced- one more post here will get your computer crashed & lobotomized.
I kill systems...when I have to.

Making better virtual worldsisall

CHRISISALL

Sunday, June 15, 2008 2:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
thousnds
intentionaly

And YOU are BANNED, Whozit, for your irritating spelling!!!!

You wanna try again?? Huh? Do you feel lucky? Well do ya, punk?

Go ahead, make my dayisall

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