It's been 6 years since Firefly, the show seems dated and other series are better now...

POSTED BY: chrisisall
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CHRISISALL

Friday, March 14, 2008 12:58 AM

NOT!!

Although Stargate Atlantis & Heroes have caught my fancy, I fear no other show ever will ever grab me like this one did.

...well...

No, I don't think even Dollhouse will...

Damn you Joss!!!

Chrisisall

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WORLDOFHIGLET

Friday, March 14, 2008 1:09 AM

That's fightin' talk for a subject - but luckily it was just a clever ruse to get people to reply .

Only found FF at Xmas this year (I know, where have I been?!) but I think it will take a lot to persuade me to switch to another show. I must admit to having misgivings about Dollhouse too....but Joss has not produced a crap show yet so I have high hopes.

I've just started watching the 'new' Battlestars (again, I realise that I am somewhat behind!) and I'm really enjoying them, it has great action, the story is very good and the dialogue is better than most (though not up to Joss' standard, obviously!).

Although they are very different shows I think FF is the superior show. That's why we're all here, after all!

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FREELANCERTEX

Friday, March 14, 2008 1:13 AM

*calms down. takes deep breath* i was about to hurt you.

firefly does kinda catch you from the start...well. unless ur Fox @_@

GORAMMAN

Friday, March 14, 2008 1:25 AM

Oh damn! Snap! Totally got me. I was fired up. And you know how I get sometimes. I was going to write a vulgarity filled insult then translate it into Chinese. Something along the lines of eating shit, monkey fucking, and heavy on the "your mom is a whore" theme.

Nicely done chrisisall

TANKOBITE

Friday, March 14, 2008 1:28 AM

Clever...

As to the person who's getting into BSG; it's good until last season.

It kind of bites, but they've got a recap which ain't so bad.

Huge spoiler here, but a good recap.

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GORAMMAN

Friday, March 14, 2008 1:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by worldofhiglet:

I've just started watching the 'new' Battlestars (again, I realise that I am somewhat behind!) and I'm really enjoying them, it has great action, the story is very good and the dialogue is better than most (though not up to Joss' standard, obviously!).

Although they are very different shows I think FF is the superior show. That's why we're all here, after all!

Obviously you haven't seen much of the third season of BSG. Total shark jumper. I was so pumped after the season opener then every week after that I was let down like a ton of bricks through flimsy plywood floors of approval.

STRANGEBIRD

Friday, March 14, 2008 1:46 AM

I'm with everyone else. I was fixing to use my most vulgar and offensive words and smilies. Then I saw who posted it and that it was a joke... you're meanisall.

Stargate Atlantis is good, so was Journeyman after it got over it's somewhat slow, disappointing first couple episodes. Chuck is really good and T:TSCC is ok but not really my favorite new show. There is a new Stargate series coming soon and another new series called Warehouse 13 which has Jane Espensen on the writing staff.. I think she was involved in creating the series too. I need to read about it again, it's been awhile. There's Eureka too... but like you said none of those shows have what Firefly had. It might have been it's tragic demise but that doesn't explain the oldest, most diehard fans. You guys and gals fell in love with it at the beginning.

I've given up hope on ever finding a series I love as much as Firefly. It's like that first great love of you life that you lost. You'll find love again but it'll never be as sweet. You just have to remember and learn to appreciate what ya got.

Jewel(Kaylee) is on Stargate Atlantis, she's a regular as of the upcoming season 5(Just recurring in 4). Adam(Jayne) is a regular on the NBC comedy/spy drama Chuck. Alan(Wash) has a legal drama coming out next fall... look it up I can't remember the name. Summer(River) is the new terminator on T:TSCC(Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles). Nathan(Mal) is on Desperate Housewives but for how long is anyones guess. He also has a number a good movies, Waitress(Out on DVD) White Noise 2(Out on DVD) and Slither... (Also out on DVD). Morena(Inara) is the baddie in the recently released Stargate: SG1 DVD movie The Ark of Truth.

Our Big Damn Heroes are still out there. Firefly boosted a few great actors into full-blown stars. It left it's mark on the world and it won't go away. It'll grow and grow since we only know how to love this show and spread the word any way we can.

I'm sorry for being so sappy but in writing this I started feeling more and more sentimental and realized just as I was typing it that I'll never love a show as much as I do Firefly.

P.S. I may never love a woman as much either... I just realized this too and it disturbs me a bit.

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LEOPARDFLAN

Friday, March 14, 2008 1:59 AM

!!!!!!!!

And I was going to get some very offensive words in, too *lol*

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ECGORDON

Friday, March 14, 2008 2:22 AM

I knew without looking who had created this thread, but wasn't sure if it was serious until I read it.

For my money, the only show since Firefly to be almost as good, and perhaps when it is all done, better, is LOST.

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PHYRELIGHT

Friday, March 14, 2008 2:36 AM

Oh, you are tweeked! I thought you had a death wish coming in here and talking like that. LOL!

Darksiders can keep their cookies. We have better writers.

Grrr. Argghh.

STRANGEBIRD

Friday, March 14, 2008 2:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:
I knew without looking who had created this thread, but wasn't sure if it was serious until I read it.

For my money, the only show since Firefly to be almost as good, and perhaps when it is all done, better, is LOST.

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

I respect your opinion but my feelings could be no more different on the matter of Lost. I'm glad you've found something you like nearly as much and maybe more so though. I finally quit watching that show last season.

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DEADLOCKVICTIM

Friday, March 14, 2008 2:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:

NOT!!... have caught my fancy, I fear no other......will ever grab me like
...well... even.... you Joss!!!

Chrisisall

tricky Chris... i thought that might be you...
Hope i didn't misquote you there, but those are your words...

man, 6 years - i haven't seen anything that comes close to trusty ole FF... and i've kind of given up trying to find anything. Old movies and college hoops are about it for me right now... i spend too much time in here - when i should be reading a book...
but this is good, too

edit: old movies - you know the classics... like - well here's a clip

durka.... durka durka

WORLDOFHIGLET

Friday, March 14, 2008 3:06 AM

Love your pic - Mat damon! still cracks me up! Man that's a funny, funny, wrong, film!

Anyhoo, I've only just got through the 1st season of BSG so no sharks in view yet ( no spoilers, plz, already started season 2!). I said it wasn't as good as FF which will always be fresh-looking and never in danger from Jaws because it lived fast and died young. Or something.

"The candle that burns twice as bright burns half as long and Firefly burned so very brightly" - I think that's what Ridley Scott told Joss once. Probably.

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NE0VEN0M

Friday, March 14, 2008 3:17 AM

I read the title to this thread and was starting to get mad. I JUST watched the entire series a few weeks back, so I was going to go on some rant about how it's timeless, but alas, t'was all in good fun.

KAREL

Friday, March 14, 2008 3:19 AM

Chrisisall, I'm going to have to object in the strongest of... oh. Never mind.

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VETERAN

Friday, March 14, 2008 3:24 AM

Chrisisall,

Check your calendar. It's about 2 weeks early for this post.

BORIS

Friday, March 14, 2008 3:24 AM

Ha Ha funny much...I was sooo going to reply to this with an acute level of anger and defensiveness...lucky I read the rest of your comment.There are other great Tv shows ( eg."Life on Mars")...but not of the same ilk. I fear nothing will ever match the impact of Firefly. I think it has to do with a lot of variables: great stories, brilliant casting, endearing and realistically flawed characters,amazing musical accompaniament, the obviously gargantuan amount of love poured into it by everyone involved...how many other shows have all of that?

FFYING2

Friday, March 14, 2008 4:48 AM

There are good shows out there, but the only show I can say I've loved since Firefly is Gilmore Girls (which I didn't start watching, on DVD, until 2005).

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Friday, March 14, 2008 5:26 AM

The only shows I have liked since FF are BSG, Stargate Atlantis and Avatar: The Last Airbender..

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FREMDFIRMA

Friday, March 14, 2008 5:51 AM

Well I was half right.

"Oh that's gotta be one of Succotash's chainyank threads - this I gotta see"

Since FF went off the air, ain't been nothin worth a watch, others may offer different opinion, but what Firefly had, ain't nothin else got it, not even close - and that includes the movie.

I realize that is a minority opinion, and yeah I saw the movie and bought the DVD to support the IDEA and concept... but having glanced over the comics and the travesty they make of some stuff, they can keep em, I won't pay a penny.

I mean, seriously, after blowing up that whole recurring villan trope by kickin Crow through the engine, and then jumping right to it ?
(being vague to avoid spoilers)

Why not just slap some guns and shields on Serenity while they're at it, since all of what made FF quality stuff seems to get dumped as excess baggage every time it's put in another format... Gee look, sound in space, how about that, right ?

Please, NO books, not if it means jettisoning more of what made FF what it was, instead of another Star Drek clone.

I'd rather have no more FF then have it demeaned so - but I am indeed open to more stories in the 'verse with different actors, just NOT a slow evolution into yet-another-space-series clone by dumping the very stuff that MADE it so special.

Network Exec -"No this family crap has gotta go, more conflict, make someone pregnant, kill one of em off for the season end cliffhanger, and then make it just a dream so we can roll their contract over!"

You know, I would rather take FF out back and shoot it then have it suffer that fate.

-F

ECGORDON

Friday, March 14, 2008 11:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Strangebird:
Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:
I knew without looking who had created this thread, but wasn't sure if it was serious until I read it.

For my money, the only show since Firefly to be almost as good, and perhaps when it is all done, better, is LOST.

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

I respect your opinion but my feelings could be no more different on the matter of Lost. I'm glad you've found something you like nearly as much and maybe more so though. I finally quit watching that show last season.

To each his own. Season Four has been the best since the very beginning of the series, and I truly believe that even more awesomeness is yet to come.

ETA: I had to return to this to ask when it was in Season Three that you stopped watching. If you went all the way up to the finale I absolutely do not understand why you didn't want to continue. That was the best season finale I have ever seen, and I'm old enough to have seen a helluva lot of television.

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, March 14, 2008 12:06 PM

Within the last two months I've had the great pleasure of meeting Nathan Fillion and Mark Sheppard. I am more Firefly intensive than ever.

BIVIUM6

Friday, March 14, 2008 12:10 PM

remember in The Train Job, it was the six year anniversery for Unification Day...

DEADLOCKVICTIM

Friday, March 14, 2008 12:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Network Exec -"No this family crap has gotta go, more conflict, make someone pregnant, kill one of em off for the season end cliffhanger, and then make it just a dream so we can roll their contract over!"

You know, I would rather take FF out back and shoot it then have it suffer that fate.

-F

you'll get no argument from me there, Frem...

BROWNCOAT1

Friday, March 14, 2008 1:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:

NOT!!

Although Stargate Atlantis & Heroes have caught my fancy, I fear no other show ever will ever grab me like this one did.

...well...

No, I don't think even Dollhouse will...

Damn you Joss!!!

Got to agree w/ you Chris.

I liked SG1, but it's gone now. Stargate Atlantis is good (and it has Jewel now!), but this season has been a bit formulatic. Heroes is great, but we are facing a long hiatus due to the writer's strike. Even though I dig Heroes it just doesn't grab me like Firefly.

The only show that has even come close is Jericho, and honestly I would give up Jericho for good for just one new one hour episode of Firefly.

Guess Joss has ruined me for all other sci fi.

Damn you Joss!

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DEADLOCKVICTIM

Friday, March 14, 2008 1:37 PM

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
To each his own. ...

and I'm old enough to have seen a helluva lot of television.

I certainly gave Lost a fair chance - EC, but I have to agree with Strangebird here. I guess the series lost me when it took that long hiatus and then came back without really resolving anything - I may have missed some of the eps simply because of frustration, but each show would always leave me unsatisfied at the end - it's not that I need everything wrapped up in an hour, but this show has dragged on so long it's kinda painful to watch - There have been some intriguing scenarios introduced, no doubt, but I'm just a little tired of being jerked around by Mr Abrams and co.

But, like you said "To each his own.."

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PDCHARLES

Friday, March 14, 2008 2:14 PM

Ancient spirits of evil. Transform this decayed form to Mumm-Ra, the ever living. I will rid this realm of.... oh oh, pardon me, u were joking. Back to the Black Pyramid for me. Toodles

K.

Heroes gets maybe 60-70% the way up to FF.
BSG maybe the same.

Only show I have seen that is close or equal for me would be HBO's The Wire. ...even then, really only seasons 3-5.

WASHNWEAR

Friday, March 14, 2008 3:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Strangebird:
P.S. I may never love a woman as much either... I just realized this too and it disturbs me a bit.

I reckon it's likely to disturb the woman a mite, too.

Fortunately I can now - upon closer examination of this provocatively titled thread - holster my flame-thrower and remove my dog-pilin' boots. I've been attached to a greater or lesser degree to a lot of TV shows in my time - Life...House...Boston Legal...The John Laroquette(sp?) Show (the 1st season, before they sappy-ed it down to pre-school level...and that's a blatant insult to pre-schoolers)...to name but a few. I've probably liked a few of 'em about as much as FF...hard to imagine liking any of 'em more...doesn't matter, FF (and its cast, crew, and creator) is in a class by itself. Speshul, as we used to say at The Institute. Not sure sometimes what's stronger - my affection for Firefly and its "fine bunch of ruebens", or my sense of jaded outrage that it was cancelled. Bloody Philistines (and that's a blatant insult to Philistines).

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STORYMARK

Friday, March 14, 2008 4:48 PM

Nothing compares to Firefly, of course...

But Lost and BSG are the two best series on the air. Lost as been excellent this season, and I can't wait for season 4 of BSG to start.

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CHRISISALL

Friday, March 14, 2008 5:21 PM

This is the part where I chime in to say that I once believed the same of Dark Angel- when it got canceled, I gave up on network TV altogether, which is why I had to discover Firefly on DVD in '05, nine months before Serenity came out.
Then I discovered Buffy.
Firefly is WHY I gave Heroes & Atlantis a look. So I have to thank Joss for opening me up to a lot of other things.
But the caterpillar of Firefly & the butterfly of Serenity at at the center of my 'Verse, and seeing as it's almost six years since the six years since the vote for Unification, I thought this might be the time to bring it up.

And since it was also brought up, Lost would be better as a mini-series- it's real dragged-out, IMO, and BSG's season 3 revealed that they indeed had no plan.

You knew what I was gonna say, but I figgered you'd wanna hear me say itisall

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FLATTOP

Friday, March 14, 2008 6:32 PM

And here I was lookin' forward to brushing up on all my chinese cussin' by reading the flames that were sure to have poured forth before my arrival...

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Friday, March 14, 2008 8:53 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
And since it was also brought up, Lost would be better as a mini-series- it's real dragged-out, IMO, and BSG's season 3 revealed that they indeed had no plan.

Totally disagree on both counts. Lost would be a waste of time trunucated to such a small timeframe. I'll agree the show meandered a bit at the beginning of the 3rd season - but that was due to the network mandate. Once the creative team was able to secure a final timeframe, the show has been kicking ass. Sure, you have to be patient, but I appreciate shows that demand intellegence and thought to follow them, and don't pander to the LCD.

As for BSG, I though season 3 was pretty damned good. Better than any other shows I saw last year (save perhaps Lost, and maybe if I was generous, I'd call it a tie with Heroes). A couple misfire episodes, but overall pretty solid. And just becuase they don't follow what you want or expect them to do, doesn't mean they don't have a plan.

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CHRISISALL

Friday, March 14, 2008 9:05 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:

Totally disagree on both counts.

I plead to possibly being off the mark about Lost, but BSG is headin' towards Nonsenseville.
So the Cylons are evil, but they're not, but some are, but they're as human as us, but they're not...and they talk of God, yet...oh forget it. The show is very pretty...

Chrisisall

STORYMARK

Friday, March 14, 2008 9:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:

Totally disagree on both counts.
I plead to possibly being off the mark about Lost, but BSG is headin' towards Nonsenseville.
So the Cylons are evil, but they're not, but some are, but they're as human as us, but they're not...and they talk of God, yet...oh forget it. The show is very pretty...

Just rewatched a lot of episodes from early on, and a lot of that stuff is set up, subtly. Evil but not - I like moral ambiguity on villains. Human as us, but not, God.... as they've said from the start, it's all happened before, and will again.

Again, just because it's not your plan, doesn't mean it's no plan. I love where they're taking it, so far.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

CHRISISALL

Friday, March 14, 2008 9:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:

Again, just because it's not your plan, doesn't mean it's no plan. I love where they're taking it, so far.

I may have to re-visit it then, if that's your take. And if season 4 works out well.

Flexible Chrisisall

STRANGEBIRD

Friday, March 14, 2008 10:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:
Quote:
Originally posted by Strangebird:
Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:
I knew without looking who had created this thread, but wasn't sure if it was serious until I read it.

For my money, the only show since Firefly to be almost as good, and perhaps when it is all done, better, is LOST.

I respect your opinion but my feelings could be no more different on the matter of Lost. I'm glad you've found something you like nearly as much and maybe more so though. I finally quit watching that show last season.

To each his own. Season Four has been the best since the very beginning of the series, and I truly believe that even more awesomeness is yet to come.

ETA: I had to return to this to ask when it was in Season Three that you stopped watching. If you went all the way up to the finale I absolutely do not understand why you didn't want to continue. That was the best season finale I have ever seen, and I'm old enough to have seen a helluva lot of television.

I quit watching after the season 3 finale. I will agree with you that it was not bad. I just finally got fed up with watching a show that seems to thrive on setting up interesting, intelligent scenarios then either leaving them hanging or answering them in unsatisfying ways. I prefer shows with a mix of thought provoking ideas and fun witty dialog. It had this to a degree, but I either found the plot too easy to figure out or so convoluted it was hopeless. I'm not saying its a bad show. Not even saying I don't like it. I've said before on another thread that I hate it but that wasn't true. I just got fed up. Someday I'll catch it in reruns or if my parents get the DVDs and I borrow them.

For now though I'm through.

Add up all my favorites... Chuck, SGA, SG1, Eureka, Pushing Daisies and sometimes Heroes... they're all good enough to sate my appetite. All together they have enough wit, intelligence and fun to keep me satisfied. They all have their low points. Chuck possibly the only one with hardly any at all. There is good TV out there. Some of it even owes it's existence, or atleast success, to Firefly and it's legions of Browncoats. Half the shows I just listed have BDH's as major cast members.

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IMNOTHERE

Friday, March 14, 2008 10:47 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Cylons are evil, but they're not, but some are, but they're as human as us, but they're not...and they talk of God, yet...oh forget it.

Actually, I think that is the really great thing about the show - the moral complexity and the way you're never quite sure who you should be rooting for.

Everybody is flawed - Adama and Roslyn get all dewey eyed about democracy and justice as long as democracy and justice agrees with them. Cylons are capable of love and compassion (one of them is about the most sympathetic character in the show) - but ultimately are just as screwed-up and factionalised as the humans - and the humans are capable of justifying all manner of evil.

Maybe all shows shouldn't be this way - but we need a few which make you realise that the world isn't nicely separated into good and evil.

The downsides of BSG are when they get sidetracked into Indiana Jones crap, and that time around the middle of the season when they realise that US TV seasons are just too fracking long to sustain a continuing story and have to come up with half-a-dozen episodes of padding. I've also never forgiven them for having Dee dump Billy - the show could have used one sweet, innocent un-fracked-up love story amid all the misery - or the magic cancer cure.

I'm also worried that - given the revelations at the end of S3 - there's only about 2 hours worth of story left to tell and they're either going to pad it out abysmally or hit the Plot Reset Button.

THESOMNAMBULIST

Friday, March 14, 2008 11:01 PM

Hmmm I dunno... I think we should form a lynch mob and go after this "Chrisis 'this' Chrisis 'that character"

Reading between the lines I fear an insurrection coming on. Ok so he's redeemed himself with a bold 'NOT' in italics, sans serif.... But it's there, looming, brewing, waiting.... It all seems innocent enough, but how far away are we from a headline that reads:

"Dark Angel is a better show than Firefly!"

I tell ya he's dangerous! Influential see, he muddles people up! Confusses himself sometimes! So much so you don't know what he's capable of...

Heroes and Antlantis now.... Walker Texas Ranger tomorrow!!!!!

You wait, mark my paranoid words!

Dangerousisall!

STRANGEBIRD

Friday, March 14, 2008 11:09 PM

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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Heroes and Antlantis now.... Walker Texas Ranger tomorrow!!!!!

You wait, mark my paranoid words!

Dangerousisall!

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Ok.... Walker Texas Ranger shouldn't be mentioned on a Firefly fans forum ever again. Let alone in the same sentence as SGA.

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TRAVELER

Friday, March 14, 2008 11:29 PM

I have not seen a science fiction program that compares to Firefly. There are good shows out there, but not great shows.

I just alternate between my favorites I have on DVD's and wait.

For me the only recent programs I have latched on to are Medium, Chuck, and My Name is Earl.

The new Terminator TV show and Bionic Woman have not really overwhelmed me. Eli Stone looks promising. I'm watching New Amsterdam. But I get the feeling the plots are becoming a formula. Time will tell.

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BIGBADJAYNE

Saturday, March 15, 2008 12:12 AM

okay...like they told me to...count to 25...then reload.. lol...
I caught only two episodes of this show in initial airings, then the BDM..but that first episode had me hooked. No matter what (and I love Atlantis as well and some Trek) Firefly is always gonna remain my truer love. There was just so much more to care about. Even with only 14 episodes....
put it this way...I've never written Trek fic, and I'm a Trekker from waaayyyy on back.
The show lives on, for all of us!

BADKARMA00

Saturday, March 15, 2008 12:33 AM

I think that it's very telling that despite the fact that Fox did everything in it's power to sabotage Firefly, (playing the eps out of order, moving the time slot almost every week, etc.) that the show has more fans today than it did when it was on the air.

There's no doubt that the show is a winner, but had the misfortune to hit a LOSER network like FOX. The only show they've ever given a chance to work was BOnes, which is a good show, btw.

WEll, that and the gift to all star search fans "American Idull".

I hoped for a while that the show would come back, in all seriousness, but with so many of the BDH's doing well in other places, I don't see it happening. At least not with the original actors.

It's a shame, too. Might still get another movie, though that's not the same as a weekly series.

BTW, Chris, sneaky way to get attention, ROFL. Good idea. isall

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STINKINGROSE

Saturday, March 15, 2008 1:11 AM

I was almost SO rude.

Smiley when you say that, pardner!

CHRISISALL

Saturday, March 15, 2008 9:09 PM

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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
It all seems innocent enough, but how far away are we from a headline that reads:

"Dark Angel is a better show than Firefly!"

If the second season had been as exceptional as the first....

No, no, Firefly'd still be tops!!!

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Heroes and Atlantis now.... Walker Texas Ranger tomorrow!!!!!

You wait, mark my paranoid words!

The ONLY reason I ever watched Walker was 'cause Sammo Hung guest-starred in a crossover ep from Martial Law!!! I SWEAR!!!!

Truth-tellin' Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Saturday, March 15, 2008 9:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by traveler:

I have not seen a science fiction program that compares to Firefly.

Well.....Dark Angel's first season comes about as close as a show ever has....

Transgenic Chrisisall

THESOMNAMBULIST

Saturday, March 15, 2008 10:22 PM

Chrisiall wrote:

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The ONLY reason I ever watched Walker was 'cause Sammo Hung guest-starred in a crossover ep from Martial Law!!! I SWEAR!!!!

BUSTEDisall

STRANGEBIRD

Saturday, March 15, 2008 10:24 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by traveler:

I have not seen a science fiction program that compares to Firefly.
Well.....Dark Angel's first season comes about as close as a show ever has....

Transgenic Chrisisall
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The last few seconds of Journeyman was better than anything Quantum Leap ever did. But you don't see me saying it was better.

I agree with everyone else(like there was a doubt). I'll even go so far as to say that even IF Joss ever brings Firefly back in some form on TV it wouldn't be as good. Even with all the original cast, crew, writing staff... fans... It still wouldn't be enough to capture what Joss and crew made with the first bit. I can see it being better sometimes than an episode or two of the first season. No way it'll ever capture the emotions of Firefly. And I seriously doubt Firefly will ever return. At best we'll get another series in the 'verse in a few years. Firefly is over.. but the story ain't. The characters have alot more to tell I feel. Joss knows this, or he wouldn't even bother doing comics(which btw I'm not really a huge fan of).

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CHRISISALL

Saturday, March 15, 2008 10:38 PM

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Originally posted by Strangebird:

I'll even go so far as to say that even IF Joss ever brings Firefly back in some form on TV it wouldn't be as good. Even with all the original cast, crew, writing staff... fans... It still wouldn't be enough to capture what Joss and crew made with the first bit.

Lightning sometimes strikes twice in the same spot....
Just sayin'.

It was a fair time...Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Saturday, March 15, 2008 10:40 PM

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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:

BUSTEDisall

Ya got nutin' on me, copper!

*Still writin' my graphic novel Chrisisall

THESOMNAMBULIST

Saturday, March 15, 2008 11:06 PM

Chrisisall wrote:

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Ya got nutin' on me, copper!

*Still writin' my graphic novel Chrisisall

Keep writing dood. Always good to see creativity. Looking forward to reading it one of these days.

For me... Supernatural is filling the void left by Buffy. But Buffy is still the best thing to get over Buffy not being on the air no more. *Sniff*

CHRISISALL

Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:09 AM

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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Supernatural is filling the void left by Buffy.

May have to buy that someday...season one was okay.

Chosen- the single finest final ep of a series, EVER!!!!!!

This mortal wound itches Chrisisall

TRAVELER

Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by traveler:

I have not seen a science fiction program that compares to Firefly.
Well.....Dark Angel's first season comes about as close as a show ever has....

Hello chrisisall:

Will have to take your word for it. I never saw Dark Angel. Did watch Enterprise. But that one season they had with the ongoing plot dragged on to long for me. I started to drift away and even missed most of the final season. They should have continued along the lines of the first two seasons. I talk like I am an expert.

But that is why I left the show. I am still waiting for a decent SciFi to arrive. The only show that really caught my attention is Medium. They surprised me by not getting stuck in a repeating plot line. Nearly every episode was different. The characters feel very real.

This season Medium got messed up by the writers strike. Like what show didn't. It turned into game show paradise. God save me from Deal or No Deal. Most stop and wash out my mouth, I mean my keyboard.

I am actually wearing out my DVD's. Watching Firefly, Wonderfalls, and my guilty pleasure Rocky Jones Space Ranger. That last one should give you a clue as to how old I am since I saw Rocky when it first aired.

Well we really got bated into this thread. But it is a good one. Good to hear from everyone about their feelings on SciFi these days. I don't have cable so I miss a lot not having the SciFi Channel. So if there is some good programing there I only see it if a local station repeats them like they do with Stargate SG1. I am always one or two seasons behind everyone else. We did get Atlantis but they quit broadcasting it so I will miss our favorite mechanic playing doctor.

Take Care;
Traveler

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CHRISISALL

Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:23 AM

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Originally posted by traveler:
We did get Atlantis but they quit broadcasting it so I will miss our favorite mechanic playing doctor.

I LOVE that
A) My favourite character from Voyager is gonna be in command, and
B) Kaylee is gonna be a regular!!!!

Bad thing is- I no got-y the SF Chanel, so I'll be behind when I buy the DVD's...

Make mine Atlantis! Chrisisall

TRAVELER

Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:31 AM

Looks like I will have to do the same thing. If this keeps up I will need a spare room to store my DVD collection. But which series to buy first is a hard choice. There are so many seasons of the original Stargate SG1 it will cost a fortune to get a complete collection. Maybe they will have a sale at Amason or Best But one days.

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THESOMNAMBULIST

Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Supernatural is filling the void left by Buffy.
May have to buy that someday...season one was okay.

Chosen- the single finest final ep of a series, EVER!!!!!!

This mortal wound itches Chrisisall

Nah... HUSH

Just ordered the Northern Exposure box set. It's a different kind of show from my younger years that I always loved. It has it's moments of pure fantasy. The kind of fantasy you really only find in real life. They always did that so well. Watching that show was one of the rare times I'd well up.

Hey out of curiosity anyone remember the Wild Palms mini series? It's been a long time since I saw that show... I've totally forgotten what the hell it was all about. I did like the imagery though: A Rhino in an empty swimming pool... Could it be called sci-fi?

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CHRISISALL

Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:48 AM

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But which series to buy first is a hard choice.

Go with Atlantis- it's cheaper (only three seasons on DVD as of now), and the show is better than SG1 (IMO).

Shepisall

CHRISISALL

Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Northern Exposure

A fine series. Not a bad ep save for a few in the last season.

Adamisall

TRAVELER

Sunday, March 16, 2008 1:20 AM

Northern Exposure fans.

I liked that show too.

I saw an episode of "Men it Trees" and I got the impression they were trying to mimic Northen Exposure. But The writers strike hit and I have not seen or heard anymore about this show so I don't know if it is returning.

Hello Chrisisall:

I think you have the right idea about getting Atlantis. Fewer seasons so I can catch up on the storyline faster. Also a lot cheaper then trying to buy several seasons of SG1. I had plans to buy one at a time and spread the cost out, but there are so many other series I would like to get. I am like a child in a candy shop when it comes to buying series. I waltze around Best Buys straining to decide what I would most like to have. That is how I found Firefly. I don't think I would have bought Firefly except for seeing Ron Glass was in it. So he is the reason I now own the finest set of DVD's in my limited collection.

God bless you Ron Glass;
Traveler

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STRANGEBIRD

Sunday, March 16, 2008 2:45 AM

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Originally posted by traveler:

God bless you Ron Glass;
Traveler

I second that. I'm holding out hope for Ron guest starring on Atlantis. Don't take that to mean there are genuine rumors... or even a chance. It's my own little idea and it would rock if he was.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Strangebird:

I'll even go so far as to say that even IF Joss ever brings Firefly back in some form on TV it wouldn't be as good. Even with all the original cast, crew, writing staff... fans... It still wouldn't be enough to capture what Joss and crew made with the first bit.
Lightning sometimes strikes twice in the same spot....
Just sayin'.

It was a fair time...Chrisisall

I just mean even if it's great and better than anything else it probably won't be as sweet. Part of why we love Firefly is the fact it was so tough it got beaten, smothered, kicked in the groin and shot and yet it was so amazingly witty and brilliant and honest it survived. At least in spirit anyway.

While I, like I said before, do not think Firefly will return. I do have faith that Joss will revisit the 'verse and it's downtrodden heroes again someday. And not just in graphic novel or comic book form.

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I LOVE that
A) My favourite character from Voyager is gonna be in command, and
B) Kaylee is gonna be a regular!!!!

Bad thing is- I no got-y the SF Chanel, so I'll be behind when I buy the DVD's...

Make mine Atlantis! Chrisisall

I agree... and I agree.

Sorry you don't have SFchannel. I've considered dropping my satellite service. Only reason I haven't is I'm not sure I could live without Scifi and the Travel/Discovery/Science channel family. About the only channels left with anything decent on. Well History and Nat Geo aren't bad.

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LCRUSSELL

Sunday, March 16, 2008 3:19 PM

*sweet come hither smile*

That was brilliant....and mean as hell.

CHRISISALL

Sunday, March 16, 2008 3:45 PM

Thank youisall

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, March 16, 2008 10:48 PM

Enterprise mighta worked if they had not made the same mistakes they make every single time.

1. The breaking of the vulcan stranglehold and birth of the federation in response was a GOOD storyline, nicely morally grey, and a great setup to contrast racial outlook and philosophies without laying a lot of blame or getting preachy about it - and also a handy way to introduce and explore races we don't know a lot about in the Trekverse, like Andorrians, etc...

"Since you helped me, I haven't been sleeping too well, and I LIKE my sleep!"
I liked him... only saw a few eps before I saw where it was going, but I liked that guy, really.

But no, they tossed out the best storyline they ever coulda had for the usual formulamatic trektripe.

2. Yes, the ship was undergunned and defensively weak, and it shoulda STAYED THAT WAY - but for the folks who write trektripe they just can't mentally allow a ship that isn't superior in some fashion to anything they run up against, cause, you know, then they might have to negotiate from a terrible position or actually think their way out or.. heaven forfend! the curse of kirk!, actually fight *dirty*... but nooooo, can't have that.

3. Substitution of technology for story, nuff said, it's a staple of trektripe.

4. Time travel, another staple.

5. Trying to link it up in some inexplicable badly done halfassed fashion with every other piece of trektripe out there, therefore screwing up not only it's own continuity but that of all the rest of it too, further demeaning the works.

Cause it just can't be... UNRELATED, yanno.

I didn't hate Enterprise for what it was...

I *despised* it for what it COULD HAVE BEEN... and wasn't, cause it was never allowed to be.

-Frem

CHRISISALL

Monday, March 17, 2008 1:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

I didn't hate Enterprise for what it was...

I *despised* it for what it COULD HAVE BEEN... and wasn't, cause it was never allowed to be.

I thought it coulda been better also.

Chrisisall

ECGORDON

Monday, March 17, 2008 3:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Hey out of curiosity anyone remember the Wild Palms mini series? It's been a long time since I saw that show... I've totally forgotten what the hell it was all about.

I got the Wild Palms dvd a couple of weeks ago but haven't watched it yet, and right now I can't remember if I got it from amazon, deepdiscount.com or ebay. I vaguely remember when it was on originally but I don't think I ever saw any of it. I was working two jobs at the time and wasn't watching much tv at all then.

REGINAROADIE

Monday, March 17, 2008 3:47 AM

Hello Chrisisall:

I'd hate to be the lone voice of dissent, but I have to say something that's been slowly building in me over the last two years.

My enthusiasm for FIREFLY/SERENITY is waning. I know I bought the SE DVD of the movie, and when it and FIREFLY finally come out on Blu-Ray, I'll be picking them up (SERENITY and KNOCKED UP are two 'Versal titles I'm itching to get on Blu-Ray. I'd add BACK TO THE FUTURE trilogy, but I think that's going to take a while.). And I picked up the first issue of BETTER DAYS on Thursday and loved it. And it's still my dream project to cast Jewel and Sean in the lead roles of a romantic drama in the vein of BEFORE SUNRISE/SUNSET.

But to tell you the truth, I am getting a little sick and tired of hearing how FIREFLY is the best TV show of the decade and that everything that came before, except for BUFFY (but not ANGEL for some reason), and after sucks and isn't fit to lick the dirt off FIREFLY's boots. Don't you guys have other shows to watch that might have touched you in some way even more than FIREFLY?

I'm a TV junkie, so I watch way more than I should. In 02, along with FIREFLY, I was obsessed and in love with another new show that got royally screwed over by it's network. That show was BOOMTOWN. Pretty much took the cop show formula and breathed new life in it with it's Rashomon POV structure and it's beautifully flawed and complex characters. David McNorris could give Mal a run for his money in the "tortured character" department. Where's the passionate fanbase for that? And 24 was improving on it's already first great season with another great season that ratcheted up everything else about the show that blew my mind the previous year. And over on HBO, THE SOPRANOS and SIX FEET UNDER were continuing their stellar runs and showing truly incredible stuff.

And since then, sci-fi and fictional TV in general has gotten a lot better. Even just the regular run of the mill stuff has gotten funnier, more exciting and just plain interesting with it's plots, characters, visuals and stories. Yes, TV would be better if there were fewer CSI spin-offs, AMERICAN IDOL knock-offs and more journalistic integrity. But there's the time honored tradition of changing the channel or just turning it off.

Don't you think it's more interesting and exciting to see new episodes and characters and worlds on a regular basis as opposed to watching the same 14 episodes of a 6 year old series over and over again? I don't care if it's a layered series that you can discover new things when you watch it. Watching the exact same thing over and over again gets boring.

I dunno. I just find it hard to believe that FIREFLY is the be all/end all of television when I've seen the last hour of Greek tragedy and bullets of Day 1 on 24, the touching, raw and ultimately redeeming quality of SIX FEET UNDER's exploration of life and death and it's mind-expanding finale, the incredible depth and epicness of THE SOPRANOS, the high wire act of comedy that was ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT, Pam crying in the hallway on THE OFFICE, Jack's plea of "We have to go back!!!" on LOST, Hiro's "Yattah' in Times Square and Noah's and the Petrelli Bros. act sof sacrifice on HEROES, the fun and touching adventures across space and time with DOCTOR WHO, Ned and Chuck making abstinence seem cool and sweet on PUSHING DAISIES and many other individual moments and series over the years that has astounded me.

I just think we should look elsewhere is all.

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STRANGEBIRD

Monday, March 17, 2008 4:47 AM

Yes another insanely long post from StrangeBird... my less literate and patient brethren may skip and read the first and last paragraphs I summed it up nicely for you at the end. Those of you who already quit reading? You should relax more, no more caffeine for you.

I think I understand reginarodie's point. It's sorta what I was trying to say in my own posts. Alot of what makes us love Firefly so much was the fact that it failed. It was probably the best TV in the first half of the decade. At least as far as Scifi goes. It's definitely one my favorite series. I sometimes get a little carried away in describing my love for the show. And my tendency to... over-exaggerate tends to dominate my posts. I've only been a Browncoat for nearly two and a half years. I first watched when it aired on Scifi. I caught two episodes then didn't see it again until I bought the DVD for Serenity, remembering the series I bought it as well. I think I'm one of the few late comers to the scene who watched the series in it's entirety before seeing the movie.

There have been moments of other series that have touched me. If any of you were lucky enough, and interested enough to watch Journeyman in it's entirety then you'll get what I mean when I say the last few minutes of the finale were easily some of the best I've ever seen on TV. It ends on such a satisfying and sad yet promising and exciting note that it hurts alot that there will apparently be no more of it.

I love Chuck. It's had both seriously thoughtful points as well as downright nearly pee your pants hilarity. It's cast has the same honest charisma seen in Firefly's cast. Not alot of shows have that with it's entire regular cast as well as the recurring. In my opinion if any show were to ever look and feel better than Firefly, to me anyway, it would be Chuck. Not just because Adam's in it either.

I'm not at all a fan of either Buffy or Angel. I never got either show and couldn't get into the plots or the silly prosthetics that make TNG look like Lord of the Rings. What little I've seen did have Joss' trademark wit and intelligence... It just wasn't my style. Neither is BSG, Doctor Who, Torchwood or half the other shows people seem to really like these days. I guess that just makes Firefly more special to me. I can find flaws if I look hard enough but even then I can still enjoy it immensely. I understand it... and even when I understand the how or what of other shows I usually don't get the why. Lost is a very good example of that. I get what the writers are going for, I just don't understand why.

Heroes is good but it's never fully where it should be. If every episode were structure like "Company Man" it would be as good as Firefly. As it is it jumps around too much and has too many weak plots going at once which draw away from the usually interesting and well done central story arc. There have also been time where the exact opposite were true. That problem and some sub-par acting are the only downside to the show. Season 2 has been both better and worse then season 1. Sounds odd but with a show like Heroes it's possible to suck and score at the same time.

I still think there hasn't been anything in the space fairing scifi to top Firefly, before or since. There's been television that's touched me as deep and entertained me as much but not often at the same time as Firefly does. Firefly isn't the greatest show of all time... it's just my most favorite. Please no one kill me for that.

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REGINAROADIE

Monday, March 17, 2008 5:09 AM

I think in the case of HEROES vs FIREFLY, I think with Joss, he knew that the show could be canceled at any moment, so he knew that they had to make the most of it with the time and money they had. I think that if FIREFLY was huge out of the gate and had LOST's and HEROES' popularity, that maybe they would have eased up and it wouldn't have been as good as it was.

With HEROES, since they do have the luxury of not being afraid of being canceled at any moment, they can take their time in setting characters and plots up before really exploding with tension and quality. So while at times it may be a bit slow, it's only because they're building steam for the really big payoff episodes. They never had their head up their asses, like LOST did for a year and a half. First year, awesome. Second year, aside from the Desmond/Penelope plotline, nothing really exciting or interesting happened. Half of the third year was sitting around, literally. But amazingly enough, they got things moving again, and then culminating with the "We have to go back" flash forward. And so far this season, they've been going full speed and not stopping.

As for the "suck and score at the same time", I'd have to say BSG fits that to a tee. It's maddening, drawn out at times and incredibly bleak. You can tell that they're killing time with the in between episodes, even though I wish they could do at least one episode told from the POV of one of the civilians on the ships. BSG has too much of a military fetish for my tastes. But the 9/11 and war on terror allegory works at times, and when they do focus on their big moments, they do it perfectly.

Also with you on JOURNEYMAN. Might have had a slow start, but the last few episodes did have some great stuff in it that could have lead to greater moments.

But the main thing is that I agree with you. FIREFLY was a great show, but the medium of TV wasn't invented so that fifty odd years later it would create it. Get over yourselves. Joss has as much faults as he does qualities. And I think it's somewhat stagnating to hear unanimous praise heaped onto any one show or movie.

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, March 17, 2008 5:59 AM

You were right at the top. Now Paris Hilton has her new show New BFF for us all to watch. Remember that smash top hit show in 2002? On E! network, it was with Anna Nicole Smith?
No need to watch anything else.

CHRISISALL

Monday, March 17, 2008 8:11 PM

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Originally posted by reginaroadie:

My enthusiasm for FIREFLY/SERENITY is waning.

Personally, I find myself watching it less often, but when I do see it, I'm as thrilled as ever.

Quote:

But to tell you the truth, I am getting a little sick and tired of hearing how FIREFLY is the best TV show of the decade and that everything that came before, except for BUFFY (but not ANGEL for some reason), and after sucks and isn't fit to lick the dirt off FIREFLY's boots. Don't you guys have other shows to watch that might have touched you in some way even more than FIREFLY?

MORE? Not really. Dark Angel equaled it for me on occasion...and Buffy too & Heroes to a small degree...that's pretty much it, series-wise. I'm lovin' Stargate Atlantis, but really, it's just fun nonsense, and Trek is where I come from, but even most of that just doesn't have the heart FF/Serenity does.

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Don't you think it's more interesting and exciting to see new episodes and characters and worlds on a regular basis as opposed to watching the same 14 episodes of a 6 year old series over and over again? I don't care if it's a layered series that you can discover new things when you watch it. Watching the exact same thing over and over again gets boring.

Hence my watching it less often- an attempt to keep it 'special'.

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I dunno. I just find it hard to believe that FIREFLY is the be all/end all of television when I've seen the last hour of Greek tragedy and bullets of Day 1 on 24, the touching, raw and ultimately redeeming quality of SIX FEET UNDER's exploration of life and death and it's mind-expanding finale, the incredible depth and epicness of THE SOPRANOS, the high wire act of comedy that was ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT, Pam crying in the hallway on THE OFFICE, Jack's plea of "We have to go back!!!" on LOST, Hiro's "Yattah' in Times Square and Noah's and the Petrelli Bros. act sof sacrifice on HEROES, the fun and touching adventures across space and time with DOCTOR WHO, Ned and Chuck making abstinence seem cool and sweet on PUSHING DAISIES and many other individual moments and series over the years that has astounded me.

All good, but sorry Reg, no Firefly.

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I just think we should look elsewhere is all.

Nothing but love for that sentiment- just don't expect to find better.
Unless Dollhouse rocks.

Keeper of the faithisall

FREMDFIRMA

Monday, March 17, 2008 8:15 PM

Bah, the word "Fan" is derived from fanatic in the first place - so it's not like you don't know in advance folks are gonna be touchy about it.

Sayin Firefly was top dollar doesn't mean there ain't other good stuff out there, but in our opinion, not *AS* good, especially mine, cause if any of were even close I'd be watchin it...

Firefly's quality overcame my personal hatred of television and it's programming style.. just for a little while, and no other show has done that.

We're browncoats, I mean... to say that we're a bit fanatical and have strange tastes is to commit an extreme of verbal redundancy.

-F

THESOMNAMBULIST

Monday, March 17, 2008 8:20 PM

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
Quote:
Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Hey out of curiosity anyone remember the Wild Palms mini series? It's been a long time since I saw that show... I've totally forgotten what the hell it was all about.

I got the Wild Palms dvd a couple of weeks ago but haven't watched it yet, and right now I can't remember if I got it from amazon, deepdiscount.com or ebay. I vaguely remember when it was on originally but I don't think I ever saw any of it. I was working two jobs at the time and wasn't watching much tv at all then.

Good to see it is out on DVD. I don't remember the subtleties too well, but as I recall it held my attention. Funny thing is I can only remember the Rhino in the swimming pool... I wonder what the hell that was all about? It would be very interesting to see it again. Was it produced by Oliver Stone? I rememeber Keith Gordon from Christine directing a couple of the episodes. Hmmm. Glad to see someone else remembers it too. :D

CHRISISALL

Monday, March 17, 2008 9:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Sayin Firefly was top dollar doesn't mean there ain't other good stuff out there, but in our opinion, not *AS* good

Zactlyisall

LOSTCAUSE1

Monday, March 17, 2008 10:14 PM

Yeah, as a college student who looks at television and film as my career of choice, the more I watch, the more certain I am that there is no one great show, that there is a large body of work that is the best, and each one is better than the others at certain things, but no one series or film can call themselves 'IT'.

If there are two series that I would choose as the 'Best of the Decade' they would be hands-down BSG and Firefly. I'll admit, I'm saying that with the bias of having only seen one episode of Lost, and maybe two of Heroes, and a part of one for Dark Angel, but I'll stand by my first statement. Firefly showed the most realistic future for humanity out of any sci-fi series I have seen. BSG is one of the best depictions of flawed humanity of any show. And for those who voiced problems with season 3, look back and realize the reason why season 1 was near perfect was that it only had 13 episodes. Season 2 & 3 had 20, so there will be obvious weak-points, and if you watch from the beginning much of what was done that people didn't like in season 3 was being set up in Season 1. They stuff you'll notice with the knowledge of what happens later is astounding.

But back to Firefly. As many people on this board, I was lucky to be introduced to Firefly on DVD before I saw Serenity. And as much as I love Firefly, the most I do is lurk on boards such as these, and wish that the closest Browncoat group was closer than 300 miles away, I think we can all be glad that our show is among the best.

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STRANGEBIRD

Monday, March 17, 2008 10:29 PM

I don't think Heroes is slow at all. My main problem is they take no time at all to set up anything. Most episodes they just jump from one little snippet to the next. The pacing within each piece is fine. Instead of cramming a bit of the main arc, and five or six other smaller arcs in one episode they should tie two of those smaller ones into the main and not focus on anything else. I hope to god they killed off Nicky for good... they need more room to breath and she's easily one of the weakest links. It's not hard to follow or anything, it's just frustrating when they kill the pace of the episode overall by jumping about like a kid hopped up on crack and Bawls changing channels while spinning in circles.

Anyway I'm a Browncoat. I'll never find a flaw in Firefly that will turn me off to it. I'll never stop enjoying an afternoon or evening watching a couple episodes or a day off doing a full marathon. I do like other shows. I'm also a Gater(Stargate Fan) and a big fan of M*A*S*H. I have posters on my wall of only four things Serenity, Stargate Atlantis, Bob Marley and Jimmy Buffett. Browncoat will, as far as I can see, be at the top of my list. I've been wearing one of those camouflage silicone Browncoat bracelets for about six months. There are better shows... just none I love as much.

Also I forgot to add that another show I've enjoyed watching lately has been 'My Name Is Earl' I'm a newcomer to this sort of show and have been pleasantly surprised at the dialog and plots. Which can miraculously achieve idiotic and genius at the same time. Another one to add to a list of witty shows with great writing and loads of genuine charisma between it's cast members. It's been airing Monday nights(that's tonight) at 9:00 central time on TBS. I've laughed harder at a few points than I might ever had watching Firefly the first time.

P.S. While I think Dollhouse will succeed I seriously doubt I'll enjoy it very much at all. I'll give it a damn good shot. It sounds like the type of show that's going to appeal greatly to the Buffy and Angel fans among our ranks. Which like I've said often before I am not one of.

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CHRISISALL

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 4:25 PM

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Originally posted by Strangebird:

P.S. While I think Dollhouse will succeed I seriously doubt I'll enjoy it very much at all.

I'd bet cashy money that you're in error here!

Chrisisall, back from the future

STORYMARK

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 4:48 PM

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Originally posted by Strangebird:
I don't think Heroes is slow at all. My main problem is they take no time at all to set up anything. Most episodes they just jump from one little snippet to the next.

Intesresting. I feel exactly the opposite. Sometimes, Heroes feels like nothing but set-up to me. The whole second season was set-up that practically led nowhere.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 4:54 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
The whole second season was set-up that practically led nowhere.

But wait 'till you see where they go next!
Three is make-or-break, and I have faith that they'll deliver. They killed off the excess baggage, what more do you want?

Heroisall

EMBERS

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 5:23 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Strangebird:

P.S. While I think Dollhouse will succeed I seriously doubt I'll enjoy it very much at all.
I'd bet cashy money that you're in error here!

Chrisisall, back from the future

Oh Chrisisall just loves to set the fox among the chickens! LOL

I do agree w/you: I watch Firefly and Serenity less often, but when I do I am again struck by how wonderful: exciting, funny, and deep, this sci-fi show is.

I loved Star Trek (TOS, Next Gen, DS-9, and Voyager) but they don't stand up to watching too often. And although there are a lot of shows out right now in the Sci-fi/fantasy genre that I am enjoying, I don't find myself compelled to catch them on reruns, record them for closer viewing, and/or discussing them online endlessly.

So all in all I have to say that Firefly remains (for me) the best in Sci-fi, just as Buffy remains the best in fantasy. It doesn't mean that I don't watch and enjoy a lot of television.

Oh and (edited to add): I'll be VERY surprised if I don't love Dollhouse just as much!

New Firefly fans should check this out: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=15816

STORYMARK

Thursday, March 20, 2008 6:54 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
The whole second season was set-up that practically led nowhere.

But wait 'till you see where they go next!
Three is make-or-break, and I have faith that they'll deliver. They killed off the excess baggage, what more do you want?

Heroisall

Isn't that kinda my point? Maybe next season will kick ass, but that many episodes of pure set-up, especially when a lot of it undid the character progression already established in the first season, just came off as needless wheel-spinning.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

CHRISISALL

Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:06 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
came off as needless wheel-spinning.

True, not nearly the season one experience, but it was worth it to see DL get killed, IMO

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hehehChrisisall

CLJOHNSTON108

Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:27 PM

I can't watch my Firefly DVDs anymore... by myself, that is.
I get mad that, even after all this time, pretty much nobody I mention it to has ever even heard of it.
But when I have a friend over that I want to convert, and I start the Serenity pilot playing, their reactions get me charged up again, and I feel like I did when I saw FF for the first time (after the BDM trailer first hit the Net).

MAL92REYNOLDS

Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:39 PM

If you want to see a show that is almost as ood as Firefly then check out the British show Doctor Who and its spinoff show Torchwood. These are excellent series and Doctor Who is the longest running sci-fi show ever.