It's been 6 years since Firefly, the show seems dated and other series are better now...

POSTED BY: chrisisall
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And here I was lookin' forward to brushing up on all my chinese cussin' by reading the flames that were sure to have poured forth before my arrival...

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
And since it was also brought up, Lost would be better as a mini-series- it's real dragged-out, IMO, and BSG's season 3 revealed that they indeed had no plan.

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Totally disagree on both counts. Lost would be a waste of time trunucated to such a small timeframe. I'll agree the show meandered a bit at the beginning of the 3rd season - but that was due to the network mandate. Once the creative team was able to secure a final timeframe, the show has been kicking ass. Sure, you have to be patient, but I appreciate shows that demand intellegence and thought to follow them, and don't pander to the LCD.

As for BSG, I though season 3 was pretty damned good. Better than any other shows I saw last year (save perhaps Lost, and maybe if I was generous, I'd call it a tie with Heroes). A couple misfire episodes, but overall pretty solid. And just becuase they don't follow what you want or expect them to do, doesn't mean they don't have a plan.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Originally posted by Storymark:

Totally disagree on both counts.

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I plead to possibly being off the mark about Lost, but BSG is headin' towards Nonsenseville.
So the Cylons are evil, but they're not, but some are, but they're as human as us, but they're not...and they talk of God, yet...oh forget it. The show is very pretty...

Chrisisall

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Originally posted by Storymark:

Totally disagree on both counts.

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I plead to possibly being off the mark about Lost, but BSG is headin' towards Nonsenseville.
So the Cylons are evil, but they're not, but some are, but they're as human as us, but they're not...and they talk of God, yet...oh forget it. The show is very pretty...

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Just rewatched a lot of episodes from early on, and a lot of that stuff is set up, subtly. Evil but not - I like moral ambiguity on villains. Human as us, but not, God.... as they've said from the start, it's all happened before, and will again.

Again, just because it's not your plan, doesn't mean it's no plan. I love where they're taking it, so far.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Originally posted by Storymark:

Again, just because it's not your plan, doesn't mean it's no plan. I love where they're taking it, so far.

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I may have to re-visit it then, if that's your take. And if season 4 works out well.

Flexible Chrisisall

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
I knew without looking who had created this thread, but wasn't sure if it was serious until I read it.

For my money, the only show since Firefly to be almost as good, and perhaps when it is all done, better, is LOST.

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I respect your opinion but my feelings could be no more different on the matter of Lost. I'm glad you've found something you like nearly as much and maybe more so though. I finally quit watching that show last season.

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To each his own. Season Four has been the best since the very beginning of the series, and I truly believe that even more awesomeness is yet to come.

ETA: I had to return to this to ask when it was in Season Three that you stopped watching. If you went all the way up to the finale I absolutely do not understand why you didn't want to continue. That was the best season finale I have ever seen, and I'm old enough to have seen a helluva lot of television.

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I quit watching after the season 3 finale. I will agree with you that it was not bad. I just finally got fed up with watching a show that seems to thrive on setting up interesting, intelligent scenarios then either leaving them hanging or answering them in unsatisfying ways. I prefer shows with a mix of thought provoking ideas and fun witty dialog. It had this to a degree, but I either found the plot too easy to figure out or so convoluted it was hopeless. I'm not saying its a bad show. Not even saying I don't like it. I've said before on another thread that I hate it but that wasn't true. I just got fed up. Someday I'll catch it in reruns or if my parents get the DVDs and I borrow them.

For now though I'm through.


Add up all my favorites... Chuck, SGA, SG1, Eureka, Pushing Daisies and sometimes Heroes... they're all good enough to sate my appetite. All together they have enough wit, intelligence and fun to keep me satisfied. They all have their low points. Chuck possibly the only one with hardly any at all. There is good TV out there. Some of it even owes it's existence, or atleast success, to Firefly and it's legions of Browncoats. Half the shows I just listed have BDH's as major cast members.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Cylons are evil, but they're not, but some are, but they're as human as us, but they're not...and they talk of God, yet...oh forget it.

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Actually, I think that is the really great thing about the show - the moral complexity and the way you're never quite sure who you should be rooting for.

Everybody is flawed - Adama and Roslyn get all dewey eyed about democracy and justice as long as democracy and justice agrees with them. Cylons are capable of love and compassion (one of them is about the most sympathetic character in the show) - but ultimately are just as screwed-up and factionalised as the humans - and the humans are capable of justifying all manner of evil.

Maybe all shows shouldn't be this way - but we need a few which make you realise that the world isn't nicely separated into good and evil.

The downsides of BSG are when they get sidetracked into Indiana Jones crap, and that time around the middle of the season when they realise that US TV seasons are just too fracking long to sustain a continuing story and have to come up with half-a-dozen episodes of padding. I've also never forgiven them for having Dee dump Billy - the show could have used one sweet, innocent un-fracked-up love story amid all the misery - or the magic cancer cure.

I'm also worried that - given the revelations at the end of S3 - there's only about 2 hours worth of story left to tell and they're either going to pad it out abysmally or hit the Plot Reset Button.

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Hmmm I dunno... I think we should form a lynch mob and go after this "Chrisis 'this' Chrisis 'that character"

Reading between the lines I fear an insurrection coming on. Ok so he's redeemed himself with a bold 'NOT' in italics, sans serif.... But it's there, looming, brewing, waiting.... It all seems innocent enough, but how far away are we from a headline that reads:

"Dark Angel is a better show than Firefly!"

I tell ya he's dangerous! Influential see, he muddles people up! Confusses himself sometimes! So much so you don't know what he's capable of...

Heroes and Antlantis now.... Walker Texas Ranger tomorrow!!!!!

You wait, mark my paranoid words!

Dangerousisall!

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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Heroes and Antlantis now.... Walker Texas Ranger tomorrow!!!!!

You wait, mark my paranoid words!

Dangerousisall!


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Ok.... Walker Texas Ranger shouldn't be mentioned on a Firefly fans forum ever again. Let alone in the same sentence as SGA.

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