Is Fox News the US version of Pravda?
POSTED BY: SoupCatcher
UPDATED: Friday, October 24, 2025 17:07
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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
AURaptor, I'm not getting the equivalence between the two pictures that you think exists.
The Libby graphic is a clear example of Fox News bending reality into pretzels to spin the verdict as a positive for Libby, a high ranking administration official. They conveniently ignore the four guilty counts (including the most serious, guilty of obstructing a federal investigation) to report that Libby was found innocent. They don't identify that he was only found innocent of one out of five counts. They are technically accurate and intentionally misleading in the same way as my Pravda joke way back at the beginning of the thread. The goal is obviously to mislead their viewers about the Libby verdict.
Spit the hook.
Of course you're not getting the equivalence per the pic I posted, because it debunks your sophomoric accusations toward FOX.
Actually, you're doing exactly what you accuse FOX of doing. Being technically accurate while misleading at the same time. How do you know there wasn't any other stills before or after the one posted, with them reporting the 4 counts guilty and then YOU just showed the 1 count where they report him NOT guilty ? I'm sorry, but your angle has no basis. FOX would only do themselves a disservice if they reported Libby innocent while the rest world undestood he had 4 other counts go aginst him. Your position is too absurd to be taken seriously.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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AURaptor, why don't you go ahead and dig up video to back up your claim?
While you're at it I'll provide you with another link:
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/international_security
_bt/102.php?nid=&id=&pnt=102&lb=brusc
This is a study on misperceptions about the Iraq War. Interestingly enough (from the report), "The frequency of Americans’ misperceptions varies significantly depending on their source of news. The percentage of respondents who had one or more of the three misperceptions listed above is shown below."
None of the mainstream media outlets appear to be doing a stellar job (*eta: well, except for NPR), and Fox News viewers are the most uninformed. How unsurprising is that?
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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
AURaptor, why don't you go ahead and dig up video to back up your claim?
While you're at it I'll provide you with another link:
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/international_security
_bt/102.php?nid=&id=&pnt=102&lb=brusc
This is a study on misperceptions about the Iraq War. Interestingly enough (from the report), "The frequency of Americans’ misperceptions varies significantly depending on their source of news. The percentage of respondents who had one or more of the three misperceptions listed above is shown below."
None of the mainstream media outlets appear to be doing a stellar job (*eta: well, except for NPR), and Fox News viewers are the most uninformed. How unsurprising is that?
None of that is in the least bit relevent to your initial point, about FOX screwing up a couple of times in the graphics Dept., or you taking one still from a video out of context and blowing it up to a ficticious issue. Never mind that the study itself is flawed and woefully out of kilter w/ the facts. Furthermore, going to Iraq because of any ties it might have had w/ al Qaeda was never a primary reason for the war. So these questions are misleading and serve only to muddy up the issue.
WMD materials have been found in Iraq, just not to the extent which we were told existed. This isn't news to folks who watch FOX.
And that report is extremely out dated. Oct. of '03 ?? Please.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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You're not bringing anything to the table on this, AURaptor. When are you going to back up your claims? Maybe you have to wait until Rush Limbaugh has a show on this very topic so you know which talking points to use. Hopefully he'll do that show soon.
Any media organization can be expected to make mistakes. However, you would expect those mistakes to be random. Fox News makes mistakes that tilt in only one direction. Fox News consistently spins information to the benefit of the GOP. Fox News serves as the media outlet for the Republican Party.
Now I realize this goes against one of the sacred cows of movement conservatives so I understand why you are balking and asking me to support your claims for you. But you're an adult. Do your own research. You've made claims that you haven't backed up. Time to put up.
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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
You're not bringing anything to the table on this, AURaptor. When are you going to back up your claims? Maybe you have to wait until Rush Limbaugh has a show on this very topic so you know which talking points to use. Hopefully he'll do that show soon.
Any media organization can be expected to make mistakes. However, you would expect those mistakes to be random. Fox News makes mistakes that tilt in only one direction. Fox News consistently spins information to the benefit of the GOP. Fox News serves as the media outlet for the Republican Party.
Now I realize this goes against one of the sacred cows of movement conservatives so I understand why you are balking and asking me to support your claims for you. But you're an adult. Do your own research. You've made claims that you haven't backed up. Time to put up.
I've brought as much, if not more , than you. CNN only spins it's mistakes one way too, so I guess we're even on those points. Fact is, it's YOU who needs to back up your claims , not I. The burden of proof lies upon you. And your personal bias toward FOX isn't enough. Not by a long shot.
You keep trying to bash FOX when FOX isn't the issue here. FOX isn't part of any 'vast conservative conspiracy', it's just filling a void which the Left wing media has left wide open. That void of giving news with out the usual Left wing spin. Seems to do well in the ratings, but you don't want to discuss any of that. YOU just want to nit pick at trumped up misques and, per usual for the Left when they can't compete, fabricate some vast conspiracy at hand to try to discredit anyone you consider to be a rival. Instead of simply showing single still shots, why not back up your claims w/ links to full 10-15 minute video. Then all will be able to see if FOX only gave 'one side' of the story, or it's YOU who is cherry picking the parts ( Michael Moore style ) which support your preconceived agenda.
At least FOX never made deals w/ tyrants to spin their news ( Eason Jordan ) and down play the attrocities in order to gain favorable coverage. So spare me your phony indignation over what ever imagined crimes you accuse FOX.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
AURaptor, why don't you go ahead and dig up video to back up your claim?
It was and easy google search to do just that Soup, why weren't you able to? Here's a link with the video you requested:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/06/breaking-libby-guilty-on-four-of-f
ive-counts/
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Actually Auraptor, in the case I already previously mentioned, CNN made multiple mistakes regarding their coverage of Michael Moore's documentary SICKO. Funny that we only need to go back that far to refute your statement that CNN spins its mistakes one way.
CNN's initial reaction was to stand by almost all of their data. They recanted one false claim but held to all the others, until enough pressure mounted that a few days later they gave in on a second point. They outright said that Moore fudged facts, but when confronted Gupta instead held by his claim by saying that he and Moore used different sources. Never, even after admitting the facts were different rather than untrue, did Gupta recant his claim that Moore fudged the information.
Also, a funny little tidbit about that ---- when CNN showed the list straight from Moore's movie that put Cuba as 39'th behind the U.S. at 37th in health care, they cut off the bottom of Moore's list as if Moore hadn't shown it. Then Gupta said, "but hold on" and then pointed out that CUBA was 39'th in the same study Moore cited. Weird that they would go through the trouble to even obscure the fact that that list was in the movie in the first place. Was the info front and center? No. But why make it look like it hadn't even been there at all?
Not strange to you?
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Post edited to repair something I misremembered
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Originally posted by Razza:
It was and easy google search to do just that Soup, why weren't you able to? Here's a link with the video you requested:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/06/breaking-libby-guilty-on-four-of-f
ive-counts/
Nice find, Razza. The question you should be asking is why wasn't AURaptor able to find the video?
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Actually, you're doing exactly what you accuse FOX of doing. Being technically accurate while misleading at the same time. How do you know there wasn't any other stills before or after the one posted, with them reporting the 4 counts guilty and then YOU just showed the 1 count where they report him NOT guilty ? I'm sorry, but your angle has no basis. FOX would only do themselves a disservice if they reported Libby innocent while the rest world undestood he had 4 other counts go aginst him. Your position is too absurd to be taken seriously.
AURaptor was right that there was video that reported Libby guilty. So I'll modify my original claim by removing this sentence: "If all you listened to was Fox News, you'd think Libby was found not guilty of everything."
* edited to add: The commentary at the end of this video clip (from Keith Olbermann's show) is pretty much where I was trying to go:
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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
AURaptor was right that there was video that reported Libby guilty. So I'll modify my original claim by removing this sentence: "If all you listened to was Fox News, you'd think Libby was found not guilty of everything."
Wow! That's quite an admission on your part that your entire arguement was completely false. Very big of you to admit you were wrong and omit that statement from your assertions.
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Originally posted by Razza:
Wow! That's quite an admission on your part that your entire arguement was completely false. Very big of you to admit you were wrong and omit that statement from your assertions.
I'm not convinced that my "entire arguement was completely false." I still think the headline that Fox News put up was Pravda-esque (as we were taught to think of Pravda when I was growing up). What I did do was get sloppy and set myself up for an easy jujitsuing with that one line.
Yup. I made a mistake with that argument.
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