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Impeachment Investigation Is Underway, Judiciary Committee Says

POSTED BY: THG
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THG

Saturday, July 27, 2019 3:52 AM

T tick tock

JONGSSTRAW

Saturday, July 27, 2019 5:25 AM

"Impeach …. bwah ha ha!
Impeach …. snortle snortle snortle!
Impeach …. slurp slurp slurp!"

"Hey you, where's my fucking juice box?!"

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 27, 2019 6:40 AM

lol

TICK TOCK!!!!!!

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Saturday, July 27, 2019 7:50 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 27, 2019 7:57 AM

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nbc-has-an-erin-burnett-p_b_163022

Do Right, Be Right. :)

AURAPTOR

Saturday, July 27, 2019 9:19 AM

This doesn't make me happy.

This makes me EXTREMELY happy !!!!

No collusion, no obstruction, no crime, yet bed wetting children posing as members of congress are aiming to dividing this country to as many shreds and sections as required to some how overthrow the 2016 election and gain power ?

never
going
to
happen

Literally can't play into Trump's landslide re-election plans any more than they already have.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 27, 2019 10:18 AM

Democrats just get more obscene and gross every day.

I'd laugh, but it's really not funny. It's almost turning into a religious cult at this point.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Saturday, July 27, 2019 12:10 PM

Oh, they think they'll keep this whole charade going until October 2020 and then they'll allow it to wither away.

But I suspect that they'll be overtaken by a shitstorm of their own culpabilty before then. I don't know if it'll come from the Horowitz/Durham direction, or the Epstein direction, or both, but I'll be willing to bet dollars to donuts that Comey, Mueller, Brennan, Stzrok, etc etc are going to be up to their eyeballs in shit.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

1KIKI

Saturday, July 27, 2019 12:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, they'll keep this whole charade going until October 2020 and then they'll allow it to wither away.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

And nobody here who breathlessly flogged the /Steele/crotchgrabbing/rapeonanairplane/AlfaBank/wikileaks/ProporNot/Russiahackedtheelectricgrid/inauguration/taxevasion/RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!/adnauseam/ narrative will remember how MANY anti-Trump stories they were stampeded by.

Hell, they've already forgotten Russia/collusion.

THG

Saturday, July 27, 2019 6:39 PM

The Daily 202: New Senate intelligence report deepens the mysteries surrounding Russian 2016 election interference

A Senate Intelligence Committee report released Thursday says “Russian cyberactors were in a position to delete or change voter data”

The committee reports with a high degree of confidence that the GRU, a Russian military intelligence agency, probably probed all 50 states in search of vulnerabilities.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2019/07
/26/daily-202-new-senate-intelligence-report-deepens-the-mysteries-surrounding-russian-2016-election-interference/5d3a92b8602ff17879a186d5/?utm_term=.23bd36a3a639

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SECOND

Saturday, July 27, 2019 7:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

"Impeach …. bwah ha ha!
Impeach …. snortle snortle snortle!
Impeach …. slurp slurp slurp!"

"Hey you, where's my fucking juice box?!"

The GOP has a replacement standing by: V.P. Mike Pence. You don't have to pretend that Trump is irreplaceable, that you must accept Trump's defects because there is no alternative. Pence has made his tax returns available, but Trump won't share even one of the tax returns for the past 70 years. That is a dead giveaway that he cheated on his taxes.

Mike Pence Releases 10 Years of Tax Returns
www.nytimes.com/2016/09/10/us/politics/mike-pence-tax-returns.html

Sep 9, 2016, While Donald J. Trump resists making his tax returns public, his running mate, Gov. Mike Pence of Indiana, released a decade of his own filings on Friday. A statement by the Trump campaign accompanying Mr. Pence’s returns said the release was being made with the “full support of Mr. Trump, who plans to release his tax returns upon the completion of a routine audit.”

Many years have passed since that news-story was written and yet the "routine audit" for all the previous years of Trump's tax returns continues. Congress will have to force the issue because Trump won't comply with the law. Contrary to the Trump administration, Congress actually HAS grabbed a sitting president’s confidential tax info before. In the early 1970s, the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) used the tax disclosure law to obtain tax information related to then-President Richard Nixon.
www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-tax-returns-precedent_n_5d3a3bcce4
b0c31569e8bdb7

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

WHOZIT

Saturday, July 27, 2019 8:35 PM

...and as a result this will also blow up in their faces. In other news Jerry Nadler is fat.

SECOND

Saturday, July 27, 2019 9:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
...and as a result this will also blow up in their faces. In other news Jerry Nadler is fat.

Since Trump refuses to comply with the law, Congress is suing for Trump's tax returns. Congress will audit Trump because he has cheated on his taxes in the past. If he gets caught cheating again, it will blow up in his face for the 2020 Election.

www.ais-cpa.com/tax-fraud-by-the-numbers-the-trump-timeline/
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/5/10/18537282/trump-tax-returns-c
ongress-irs

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

WHOZIT

Saturday, July 27, 2019 9:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
...and as a result this will also blow up in their faces. In other news Jerry Nadler is fat.
Since Trump refuses to comply with the law, Congress is suing for Trump's tax returns. Congress will audit Trump because he has cheated on his taxes in the past. If he gets caught cheating again, it will blow up in his face for the 2020 Election.

www.ais-cpa.com/tax-fraud-by-the-numbers-the-trump-timeline/
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/5/10/18537282/trump-tax-returns-c
ongress-irs

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

He's not releasing his taxes because he didn't do anything wrong, he's doing it to drive Fat Jerry crazy. What's going to happen when he does release them and they find nothing? Every time they go after him THEY end up looking bad.

SECOND

Saturday, July 27, 2019 10:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:

He's not releasing his taxes because he did anything wrong, he's doing it to drive Fat Jerry crazy. What's going to happen when he does release them and they find nothing? Every time they go after him THEY end up looking bad.

Trump cheated in the past. There will be some entries on his recent tax returns that fail to match what buildings actually sold for. Then Trump will say he did, Did, DID! pay all his taxes, but the trap will close on Trump.

Trump is terrible at business: "Even more extraordinary was this unreported fact: The banks financing Mr. Schron’s purchase valued Fred Trump’s empire at nearly $1 billion. In other words, Donald Trump, master dealmaker, sold his father’s empire for hundreds of millions less than it was worth." Trump has to cheat on his taxes to make up for his blunders in business.
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-sc
hemes-fred-trump.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 27, 2019 10:07 PM

If you don't like it, then pressure your Democrat politicians to change the law so all presidential candidates have to release their tax returns the next time Democrats are in power.

Trump isn't doing anything wrong by not releasing them.

Drop it dummy.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Saturday, July 27, 2019 10:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
If you don't like it, then pressure your Democrat politicians to change the law so all presidential candidates have to release their tax returns the next time Democrats are in power.

In 1924, the Democratic politicians did change the law: "Ways and Means, the Joint Committee on Taxation, and the Senate Finance Committee are the three congressional committees that are supposed to be able to look at any tax return they want. Congress gave itself the power in 1924 as a check on the executive branch -- all the committees have to do is ask the IRS." Congress asked, but Trump ordered the IRS to say no. So, it has to go to Court because Trump has something to hide.

www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-tax-returns-precedent_n_5d3a3bcce4
b0c31569e8bdb7

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 27, 2019 10:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
If you don't like it, then pressure your Democrat politicians to change the law so all presidential candidates have to release their tax returns the next time Democrats are in power.
In 1924, the Democratic politicians did change the law: "Ways and Means, the Joint Committee on Taxation, and the Senate Finance Committee are the three congressional committees that are supposed to be able to look at any tax return they want. Congress gave itself the power in 1924 as a check on the executive branch -- all the committees have to do is ask the IRS." Congress asked, but Trump ordered the IRS to say no. So, it has to go to Court because Trump has something to hide.

www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-tax-returns-precedent_n_5d3a3bcce4
b0c31569e8bdb7

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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"The IRS provided those returns the same day", committee chair Richard Neal (D-Mass.) said in a statement.

No shit.

I've been saying for years now that the IRS already knows if Trump cheated or not.

That's not what you're arguing, nor has it ever been what you're arguing. You want him to release them to the public so Rachel Maddow can talk about it on her show and spin more conspiracy theories with it every day for the next year and a half.

Quote:
Earlier this year, Neal asked for copies of six years* worth of Trump's personal and business returns, plus documents related to any audits for those years. But Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, who oversees the IRS, said that complying with the "unprecedented" request could have terrible consequences.

"History demonstrates that private tax return information is susceptible to abuse for partisan purposes - regardless of which party is in power," Mnuchin said in an April 23 letter. "Unless carefully restrained by law, this risk threatens the privacy of all taxpayers."

Why put the "unprecedented" in quotes, Huffpo? It absolutely is an unprecedented request, from a single lawmaker. Nixon had the entire legislative branch deep up his ass. If you want that tax info, it's going to have to be obtained the same way that Nixon's were.

A note to Second: I don't see anything in that article backing up your claim that Trump said "No."

A side note about the article itself: The "*" that I put in the quote there was actually a misplaced apostrophe in the HuffPo article. HuffPo is garbage tier media.

And they've got the nerve to make me have to re-type anything I want to use in a quote since it seems that you can't even highlight their articles to copy and paste them anymore.

I should send them a bill for copy editing their garbage.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Saturday, July 27, 2019 10:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
If you don't like it, then pressure your Democrat politicians to change the law so all presidential candidates have to release their tax returns the next time Democrats are in power.
In 1924, the Democratic politicians did change the law: "Ways and Means, the Joint Committee on Taxation, and the Senate Finance Committee are the three congressional committees that are supposed to be able to look at any tax return they want. Congress gave itself the power in 1924 as a check on the executive branch -- all the committees have to do is ask the IRS." Congress asked, but Trump ordered the IRS to say no. So, it has to go to Court because Trump has something to hide.

www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-tax-returns-precedent_n_5d3a3bcce4
b0c31569e8bdb7

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Quote:
"The IRS provided those returns the same day", committee chair Richard Neal (D-Mass.) said in a statement.

No shit.

I've been saying for years now that the IRS already knows if Trump cheated or not.

That's not what you're arguing, nor has it ever been what you're arguing. You want him to release them to the public so Rachel Maddow can talk about it on her show and spin more conspiracy theories with it every day for the next year and a half.

Quote:
Earlier this year, Neal asked for copies of six years* worth of Trump's personal and business returns, plus documents related to any audits for those years. But Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, who oversees the IRS, said that complying with the "unprecedented" request could have terrible consequences.

"History demonstrates that private tax return information is susceptible to abuse for partisan purposes - regardless of which party is in power," Mnuchin said in an April 23 letter. "Unless carefully restrained by law, this risk threatens the privacy of all taxpayers."

Why put the "unprecedented" in quotes, Huffpo? It absolutely is an unprecedented request, from a single lawmaker. Nixon had the entire legislative branch deep up his ass. If you want that tax info, it's going to have to be obtained the same way that Nixon's were.

A note to Second: I don't see anything in that article backing up your claim that Trump said "No."

A side note about the article itself: The "*" that I put in the quote there was actually a misplaced apostrophe in the HuffPo article. HuffPo is garbage tier media.

And they've got the nerve to make me have to re-type anything I want to use in a quote since it seems that you can't even highlight their articles to copy and paste them anymore.

I should send them a bill for copy editing their garbage.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin told Congress they can't see Trump's taxes. Mnuchin did it because he was ordered to. He is not so stupid as to ignore the law, unless Trump told him to. And, by the way, Nixon was "audited" by the IRS and they found that Nixon had done an exemplary job of complying with the tax code, but then Congress audited the same returns and discovered Nixon owed $465,000. Nixon paid, too. If it had been Trump, he would have refused and that refusal would have ended up as another charge during an impeachment.

http://www.taxhistory.org/thp/readings.nsf/cf7c9c870b600b9585256df8007
5b9dd/f8723e3606cd79ec85256ff6006f82c3?OpenDocument

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 27, 2019 11:07 PM

https://waysandmeans.house.gov/sites/democrats.waysandmeans.house.gov/
files/documents/2019.07.25%20Memo%20to%20Full%20Committee_0.pdf

Seems as though Neal is going about this the right way. I actually applaud his effort.

Great. Let Congress have the tax returns.

I'd still never expect for the public to get their hands on them. That's only going to happen through a leak, and Democrats are already looking at a 2020 election where they're going to get massacred, so I'd tread carefully on that one.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Saturday, July 27, 2019 11:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
https://waysandmeans.house.gov/sites/democrats.waysandmeans.house.gov/
files/documents/2019.07.25%20Memo%20to%20Full%20Committee_0.pdf

Seems as though Neal is going about this the right way. I actually applaud his effort.

Great. Let Congress have the tax returns.

I'd still never expect for the public to get their hands on them. That's only going to happen through a leak, and Democrats are already looking at a 2020 election where they're going to get massacred, so I'd tread carefully on that one.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Congress may never see Trump's returns, but if it does, auditing will require months. Then Trump will insist the audit is fake and he will refuse to pay the taxes owed, which means that it will be his word against Congress and there won't be anyway to judge Trump because his returns are unavailable to the public or outside auditors unrelated to Congress or Trump. Auditing will suddenly become completely political, rather than a branch of accounting. There will be Republicans absolutely certain that Trump paid all his taxes, despite there being no proof because Trump is withholding the proof by not making his returns available.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, July 28, 2019 3:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
https://waysandmeans.house.gov/sites/democrats.waysandmeans.house.gov/
files/documents/2019.07.25%20Memo%20to%20Full%20Committee_0.pdf

Seems as though Neal is going about this the right way. I actually applaud his effort.

Great. Let Congress have the tax returns.

I'd still never expect for the public to get their hands on them. That's only going to happen through a leak, and Democrats are already looking at a 2020 election where they're going to get massacred, so I'd tread carefully on that one.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Congress may never see Trump's returns, but if it does, auditing will require months. Then Trump will insist the audit is fake and he will refuse to pay the taxes owed, which means that it will be his word against Congress and there won't be anyway to judge Trump because his returns are unavailable to the public or outside auditors unrelated to Congress or Trump. Auditing will suddenly become completely political, rather than a branch of accounting. There will be Republicans absolutely certain that Trump paid all his taxes, despite there being no proof because Trump is withholding the proof by not making his returns available.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Well... Que sera sera...

Make sure you work to get the next guy or gal in office to change the law in the future so that offering tax returns isn't just voluntary. While you're at it, make sure they also do something about the electoral college.

Otherwise, you just sound like you're pouting.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Sunday, July 28, 2019 3:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Well... Que sera sera...

Make sure you work to get the next guy or gal in office to change the law in the future so that offering tax returns isn't just voluntary. While you're at it, make sure they also do something about the electoral college.

Otherwise, you just sound like you're pouting.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I'll give you a silly example to demonstrate that changing the laws does not fix the problem. The Constitution requires the President be at least 35 years old and born in the US, but President Juan is 27 and born in Cuba. If Juan presents no birth certificate, or better yet, a fake certificate, what is to stop him from being sworn in? Nothing but Congress. If the Senate has Cubans that want Juan, Juan will be the next President. Four more years! Four more years! He still won't be 35 come the next election, but that won't make any difference if 34 or more Senators will support him.

It won't make any difference how many women in their 20's come forward to testify that they were in Havana High School with Juan, even if the women go to Court. If Juan won the second election, he is staying until 67 Senators vote to stop Juan and replace him with Vice President Jesus, born in Santiago de Cuba. (The V.P. claims that is fake news. Here we go again.)

Why pick on Cubans? Ted Cruz, born in Calgary, Alberta, Canada to a full blood Cuban father, was accused by Trump of being a Cuban. If one of Trump's pre-election scandals had brought him down, Cruz would be President today.
www.businessinsider.com/trump-cruz-feud-history-worst-attacks-2016-9

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, July 28, 2019 5:12 AM

lol

"Allow me to explain my dementia by posting an insane hypothetical that has nothing at all to do with the point I'm trying to make" ~Second

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JONGSSTRAW

Sunday, July 28, 2019 6:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

This doesn't make me happy.

This makes me EXTREMELY happy !!!!

No collusion, no obstruction, no crime, yet bed wetting children posing as members of congress are aiming to dividing this country to as many shreds and sections as required to some how overthrow the 2016 election and gain power ?

never
going
to
happen

Literally can't play into Trump's landslide re-election plans any more than they already have.

Washington Post and many top Democraps now grudgingly agree with you. Amazing!

"Mueller "stunt" backfired - big time"

https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2019/07/26/wapo-house-dems-gr
udgingly-admit-mueller-stunt-backfired-big-time/

"Immeasurable harm to the left"

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ex-msnbc-host-krystal-ball-msnbcs-russia
-conspiracies-have-done-immeasurable-harm-to-the-left

Hi-larious!

SECOND

Sunday, July 28, 2019 7:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

"Allow me to explain my dementia by posting an insane hypothetical that has nothing at all to do with the point I'm trying to make" ~Second

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, for not the first time, I understand why you are unemployed and worried for your future. I'll simplify why changing the laws about Presidential Income Tax returns won't make Trump's income tax returns available: if a President must keep his taxes a secret, only impeachment and removal from office will overcome his secretiveness. If the Supreme Court ordered Trump to publicize his income tax returns, the Supreme Court can't make him do it. The Senate can't, either, but they can remove him from power. Then his taxes can be publicized, unless the President had the records destroyed by the IRS before leaving office.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, July 28, 2019 8:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

"Allow me to explain my dementia by posting an insane hypothetical that has nothing at all to do with the point I'm trying to make" ~Second

Do Right, Be Right. :)
6ix, for not the first time, I understand why you are unemployed and worried for your future. I'll simplify why changing the laws about Presidential Income Tax returns won't make Trump's income tax returns available: if a President must keep his taxes a secret, only impeachment and removal from office will overcome his secretiveness. If the Supreme Court ordered Trump to publicize his income tax returns, the Supreme Court can't make him do it. The Senate can't, either, but they can remove him from power. Then his taxes can be publicized, unless the President had the records destroyed by the IRS before leaving office.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Hey dipshit.

It's too late for Trump.

I'm talking about making sure that the next Trump doesn't hide his taxes from you.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

WHOZIT

Sunday, July 28, 2019 8:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

"Allow me to explain my dementia by posting an insane hypothetical that has nothing at all to do with the point I'm trying to make" ~Second

Do Right, Be Right. :)
6ix, for not the first time, I understand why you are unemployed and worried for your future. I'll simplify why changing the laws about Presidential Income Tax returns won't make Trump's income tax returns available: if a President must keep his taxes a secret, only impeachment and removal from office will overcome his secretiveness. If the Supreme Court ordered Trump to publicize his income tax returns, the Supreme Court can't make him do it. The Senate can't, either, but they can remove him from power. Then his taxes can be publicized, unless the President had the records destroyed by the IRS before leaving office.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

You want to know about Trump's taxes FINE, but Pelosi has to release all the medications SHE'S on...OK?

SECOND

Sunday, July 28, 2019 4:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

"Allow me to explain my dementia by posting an insane hypothetical that has nothing at all to do with the point I'm trying to make" ~Second

Do Right, Be Right. :)
6ix, for not the first time, I understand why you are unemployed and worried for your future. I'll simplify why changing the laws about Presidential Income Tax returns won't make Trump's income tax returns available: if a President must keep his taxes a secret, only impeachment and removal from office will overcome his secretiveness. If the Supreme Court ordered Trump to publicize his income tax returns, the Supreme Court can't make him do it. The Senate can't, either, but they can remove him from power. Then his taxes can be publicized, unless the President had the records destroyed by the IRS before leaving office.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Hey dipshit.

It's too late for Trump.

I'm talking about making sure that the next Trump doesn't hide his taxes from you.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You keep missing the point: no matter what the law is changed to, a future President could simply refuse to obey it. If a future Supreme Court ordered the President to obey those changed laws, the President could stubbornly refuse. The only remedy is the Senate removing a pig-head President from power.

Trump is right now disobeying section 6103 of the Internal Revenue Code. If Congress had added more law before Trump was elected, it still wouldn't make Trump more obedient, because he probably has a huge tax bill that he does not wish to pay, apparently.

When this goes to the Supreme Court, and if the vote is 5 to 4 forcing Trump to obey section 6103 of the Internal Revenue Code, we will learn how serious Trump is about keeping his tax returns a secret. But if the Supreme Court chooses Trump's side, then we will never know how stubborn Trump really is about disobeying section 6103 and cheating on his taxes.

If the Supreme Court was in session, I am pretty sure four Republican justices would align with Trump, four Democratic justices would oppose, and Chief Justice Roberts would be the deciding vote on Trump's tax cheating and hiding his tax returns from Congressional expert auditors.

Historical Use of Authority to Obtain Confidential Tax Information
https://waysandmeans.house.gov/sites/democrats.waysandmeans.house.gov/
files/documents/2019.07.25%20Memo%20to%20Full%20Committee_0.pdf

Quote:
Section 6103 has been used to obtain the tax returns and return information of a sitting President. In researching my request, JCT staff confirmed that, in 1973 and 1974, the JCT Chief of Staff made various requests to the IRS for confidential taxpayer information of President Nixon and others. The current JCT Chief of Staff concluded, based on his review of materials, that “the Joint Committee staff sought and received, under its legal authority, confidential information directly from the Internal Revenue Service that was used in the analysis presented in the [1974] report.”

While it is true that President Nixon voluntarily disclosed his returns for tax years 1969 through 1972, JCT additionally sought from the IRS: (1) President Nixon’s returns for tax years 1963 through 1968, (2) certified copies of the returns voluntarily disclosed, and (3) returns for additional taxpayers. Where records were available, the IRS complied with JCT’s requests without delay or objection.

Unlike Nixon's IRS, Trump's IRS is delaying. Without a doubt, Trump privately ordered, leaving no paper trail, the Treasury Secretary to delay Congress's request for Trump's tax returns.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THG

Sunday, July 28, 2019 6:41 PM

The House Judiciary Committee has launched a process tantamount to an impeachment inquiry into Donald Trump according to experts, although it is being termed an ‘impeachment investigation

https://www.msnbc.com/am-joy/watch/impeachment-investigation-vs-impeac
hment-inquiry-into-trump-64716869573

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1KIKI

Sunday, July 28, 2019 6:59 PM

Since you know how to cut and paste the proper spelling of 'investigation', I suggest you correct the title of your thread:

Mueller Investagation Is Over

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63004

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, July 28, 2019 8:58 PM

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lol

"Allow me to explain my dementia by posting an insane hypothetical that has nothing at all to do with the point I'm trying to make" ~Second

Do Right, Be Right. :)
6ix, for not the first time, I understand why you are unemployed and worried for your future. I'll simplify why changing the laws about Presidential Income Tax returns won't make Trump's income tax returns available: if a President must keep his taxes a secret, only impeachment and removal from office will overcome his secretiveness. If the Supreme Court ordered Trump to publicize his income tax returns, the Supreme Court can't make him do it. The Senate can't, either, but they can remove him from power. Then his taxes can be publicized, unless the President had the records destroyed by the IRS before leaving office.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Hey dipshit.

It's too late for Trump.

I'm talking about making sure that the next Trump doesn't hide his taxes from you.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
You keep missing the point: no matter what the law is changed to, a future President could simply refuse to obey it. If a future Supreme Court ordered the President to obey those changed laws, the President could stubbornly refuse. The only remedy is the Senate removing a pig-head President from power.

Trump is right now disobeying section 6103 of the Internal Revenue Code. If Congress had added more law before Trump was elected, it still wouldn't make Trump more obedient, because he probably has a huge tax bill that he does not wish to pay, apparently.

When this goes to the Supreme Court, and if the vote is 5 to 4 forcing Trump to obey section 6103 of the Internal Revenue Code, we will learn how serious Trump is about keeping his tax returns a secret. But if the Supreme Court chooses Trump's side, then we will never know how stubborn Trump really is about disobeying section 6103 and cheating on his taxes.

If the Supreme Court was in session, I am pretty sure four Republican justices would align with Trump, four Democratic justices would oppose, and Chief Justice Roberts would be the deciding vote on Trump's tax cheating and hiding his tax returns from Congressional expert auditors.

Historical Use of Authority to Obtain Confidential Tax Information
https://waysandmeans.house.gov/sites/democrats.waysandmeans.house.gov/
files/documents/2019.07.25%20Memo%20to%20Full%20Committee_0.pdf
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Section 6103 has been used to obtain the tax returns and return information of a sitting President. In researching my request, JCT staff confirmed that, in 1973 and 1974, the JCT Chief of Staff made various requests to the IRS for confidential taxpayer information of President Nixon and others. The current JCT Chief of Staff concluded, based on his review of materials, that “the Joint Committee staff sought and received, under its legal authority, confidential information directly from the Internal Revenue Service that was used in the analysis presented in the [1974] report.”

While it is true that President Nixon voluntarily disclosed his returns for tax years 1969 through 1972, JCT additionally sought from the IRS: (1) President Nixon’s returns for tax years 1963 through 1968, (2) certified copies of the returns voluntarily disclosed, and (3) returns for additional taxpayers. Where records were available, the IRS complied with JCT’s requests without delay or objection.
Unlike Nixon's IRS, Trump's IRS is delaying. Without a doubt, Trump privately ordered, leaving no paper trail, the Treasury Secretary to delay Congress's request for Trump's tax returns.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/

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Sunday, July 28, 2019 9:54 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It's all about context.

How was 6103 invoked today compared to how was it invoked against Nixon?

Is there REALLY a genuine reason to invoke it today, or are we just going back to the tax thing because Russia didn't work and Orange Man Bad?

And at the end of the day, I don't give a shit that he cheated on his taxes. That's what rich people do. That's what YOU do.

I'm quite happy with the direction of the country right now overall, and I wouldn't have been had Hillary won. I doubt I would be if Pence takes over either.

So, whatever. Let it go to SCOTUS then. I just don't see any parallels between Trump's situation and Nixon's situation.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The context for Trump is that he is a multitude of textbook cases in tax cheating:
www.ais-cpa.com/tax-fraud-by-the-numbers-the-trump-timeline/

The context for Nixon is that Nixon donated his V.P. papers from the Eisenhower Administration and he took a tax deduction. The government employee who received the papers from Nixon remembered what year that happened, but the law allowing that deduction had expired. Nixon cheated and changed the date and made it a year earlier on his income tax return. So Congress gets involved and does a proper and complete audit.
https://uschs.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/USCHS-History-Role-Joint-
Committee-Taxation-Thorndike.pdf

It turns out Nixon cheated on a whole bunch of other things:

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1. In 1969, Nixon did not recognize the $142,912 of gain on the sale of his New York City residence. (See B in Exhibit 3.) He reported that he had rolled over the proceeds into a new personal residence, the $1.5 million property he purchased two months later in San Clemente, Calif. Given his prominent address -- The White House (which he even used on the tax returns) -- the obvious issue was that such a tax-free rollover of gain would be disallowed because the San Clemente property would not qualify as his principal residence.

2. A related problem arises on the 1970 tax return when Nixon sold off part of the San Clemente acreage to friends. The amount he received covered 80 percent of the $1.5 million he paid to get the house and land. That sale, for $1,249,000, was reduced by exactly $1,249,000 of basis so that no gain was recognized. [See C in Exhibit 3.] That left the remaining acreage and house with about $250,000 of basis. That overallocation of basis to the acres sold certainly could have been easily challenged.

3. The deduction for the charitable contribution of Nixon's vice-presidential papers in 1969 raised an obvious and basic issue: valuation. Despite having an appraisal for $576,000, the valuation of property donated to charity is normally red-flag issue. With a deduction of almost $600,000, an IRS challenge would be certain for the average taxpayer. [See D in Exhibit 2 and Exhibit 4.]

4. No state income tax deduction appears on Nixon's 1970, 1971, and 1972 tax returns. The 1969 state income tax deduction was for taxes paid to New York. [See E in Exhibit 2.] The 1969 move to California should have meant that Nixon paid state income tax to California (if that was his true residence) or to the District of Columbia, both jurisdictions having high income tax rates. Nixon apparently did not pay any state or D.C. income tax after 1969. While the issue shows up on the federal returns, certainly state tax officials should have questioned why no state or local income tax was being paid.

5. From 1969 through 1972, Nixon deducted the costs of his Florida house (500 Bay Lane). He claimed use of the house related to his job as president. The costs that were being deducted include depreciation, utilities, and insurance. The obvious question was whether the Florida house was used for personal or business purposes. [See line F in Exhibit 2.]

6. A series of deductions from 1969 through 1972 relate to the fact that Nixon also deducted 25 percent of the cost of the San Clemente home as a deduction r

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, July 28, 2019 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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It's all about context.

How was 6103 invoked today compared to how was it invoked against Nixon?

Is there REALLY a genuine reason to invoke it today, or are we just going back to the tax thing because Russia didn't work and Orange Man Bad?

And at the end of the day, I don't give a shit that he cheated on his taxes. That's what rich people do. That's what YOU do.

I'm quite happy with the direction of the country right now overall, and I wouldn't have been had Hillary won. I doubt I would be if Pence takes over either.

So, whatever. Let it go to SCOTUS then. I just don't see any parallels between Trump's situation and Nixon's situation.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
The context for Trump is that he is a multitude of textbook cases in tax cheating:
www.ais-cpa.com/tax-fraud-by-the-numbers-the-trump-timeline/

The context for Nixon is that Nixon donated his V.P. papers from the Eisenhower Administration and he took a tax deduction. The government employee who received the papers from Nixon remembered what year that happened, but the law allowing that deduction had expired. Nixon cheated and changed the date and made it a year earlier on his income tax return. So Congress gets involved and does a proper and complete audit.
https://uschs.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/USCHS-History-Role-Joint-
Committee-Taxation-Thorndike.pdf

It turns out Nixon cheated on a whole bunch of other things:
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1. In 1969, Nixon did not recognize the $142,912 of gain on the sale of his New York City residence. (See B in Exhibit 3.) He reported that he had rolled over the proceeds into a new personal residence, the $1.5 million property he purchased two months later in San Clemente, Calif. Given his prominent address -- The White House (which he even used on the tax returns) -- the obvious issue was that such a tax-free rollover of gain would be disallowed because the San Clemente property would not qualify as his principal residence.

2. A related problem arises on the 1970 tax return when Nixon sold off part of the San Clemente acreage to friends. The amount he received covered 80 percent of the $1.5 million he paid to get the house and land. That sale, for $1,249,000, was reduced by exactly $1,249,000 of basis so that no gain was recognized. [See C in Exhibit 3.] That left the remaining acreage and house with about $250,000 of basis. That overallocation of basis to the acres sold certainly could have been easily challenged.

3. The deduction for the charitable contribution of Nixon's vice-presidential papers in 1969 raised an obvious and basic issue: valuation. Despite having an appraisal for $576,000, the valuation of property donated to charity is normally red-flag issue. With a deduction of almost $600,000, an IRS challenge would be certain for the average taxpayer. [See D in Exhibit 2 and Exhibit 4.]

4. No state income tax deduction appears on Nixon's 1970, 1971, and 1972 tax returns. The 1969 state income tax deduction was for taxes paid to New York. [See E in Exhibit 2.] The 1969 move to California should have meant that Nixon paid state income tax to California (if that was his true residence) or to the District of Columbia, both jurisdictions having high income tax rates. Nixon apparently did not pay any state or D.C. income tax after 1969. While the issue shows up on the federal returns, certainly state tax officials should have questioned why no state or local income tax was being paid.

5. From 1969 through 1972, Nixon deducted the costs of his Florida house (500 Bay Lane). He claimed use of the house related to his job as president. The costs that were being deducted include depreciation, utilities, and insurance. The obvious question was whether the Florida house was used for personal or business purposes. [See line F in Exhibit 2.]

6. A series of deductions from 1969 through 1972 relate to the fact that Nixon also deducted 25 percent of the cost o

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Monday, July 29, 2019 1:20 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

One of these things is not like the other.

Every example you give of Nixon was during his presidency.

Every example you gave of Trump was at least 12 years before his presidency.

It should also be noted that if any of those were legitimate tax dodges and the IRS let him get away with it then the problem is much larger than Donald Trump himself.

I'm really just telling you all of this for your own good, Second. Pussy grabbing didn't work. Russia didn't work. Taxes didn't work before and there not going to work again.

Trump isn't the problem. Trump is a symptom of the problem. The Democrats of 2019 are so abhorrent to most people that not only is he going to win in 2020, but it's not even going to be close.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, Nixon was NOT running a multi-billion dollar real estate empire while he was President, but he still found many opportunities to cheat on taxes. Trump said he placed his business into a blind trust, but he didn't. He is running his businesses and he is cheating on his taxes.

Didn’t Trump say he was distancing himself from his business?

Yes, days before his inauguration, Mr. Trump resigned his role and turned over management of the Trump Organization to his two eldest sons and a longtime company executive through a trust.

Past presidents have used a blind trust, in which an independent trustee reported to them on the value of the trust but not what was in it. But Mr. Trump’s trust is controlled by his family and a close associate and he receives updates about his business. He remains its sole beneficiary.

After he was elected, ethics experts from both parties urged Mr. Trump to put all of his assets with the potential for conflicts of interest into a blind trust. Mr. Trump and his lawyers have cited several phony-baloney reasons why they did not, including that “conflicts of interest laws simply do not apply to the president.” We have heard this excuse from Trump many times on many subjects. If Trump had placed his empire into an actual blind trust, the new management would discover what tax cheating schemes Trump and Sons had been using, therefore Trump decided to keep managing the empire and keep his secrets away from the IRS.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, July 29, 2019 5:06 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

One of these things is not like the other.

Every example you give of Nixon was during his presidency.

Every example you gave of Trump was at least 12 years before his presidency.

It should also be noted that if any of those were legitimate tax dodges and the IRS let him get away with it then the problem is much larger than Donald Trump himself.

I'm really just telling you all of this for your own good, Second. Pussy grabbing didn't work. Russia didn't work. Taxes didn't work before and there not going to work again.

Trump isn't the problem. Trump is a symptom of the problem. The Democrats of 2019 are so abhorrent to most people that not only is he going to win in 2020, but it's not even going to be close.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
6ix, Nixon was NOT running a multi-billion dollar real estate empire while he was President, but he still found many opportunities to cheat on taxes. Trump said he placed his business into a blind trust, but he didn't. He is running his businesses and he is cheating on his taxes.

Didn’t Trump say he was distancing himself from his business?

Yes, days before his inauguration, Mr. Trump resigned his role and turned over management of the Trump Organization to his two eldest sons and a longtime company executive through a trust.

Past presidents have used a blind trust, in which an independent trustee reported to them on the value of the trust but not what was in it. But Mr. Trump’s trust is controlled by his family and a close associate and he receives updates about his business. He remains its sole beneficiary.

After he was elected, ethics experts from both parties urged Mr. Trump to put all of his assets with the potential for conflicts of interest into a blind trust. Mr. Trump and his lawyers have cited several phony-baloney reasons why they did not, including that “conflicts of interest laws simply do not apply to the president.” We have heard this excuse from Trump many times on many subjects. If Trump had placed his empire into an actual blind trust, the new management would discover what tax cheating schemes Trump and Sons had been using, therefore Trump decided to keep managing the empire and keep his secrets away from the IRS.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Why doesn't your article you keep linking mention any of that?

Meh. Whatever.

The tax thing is going to go nowhere. At least not in the next 5 1/2 years. I honestly could give a shit less what happens to Trump after he's out of office in 2024. He ain't my daddy.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Monday, July 29, 2019 4:25 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Why doesn't your article you keep linking mention any of that?

Meh. Whatever.

The tax thing is going to go nowhere. At least not in the next 5 1/2 years. I honestly could give a shit less what happens to Trump after he's out of office in 2024. He ain't my daddy.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Not unexpectedly, Trump's tax cheating will decrease income tax collected from other rich taxpayers. The rich now know, if they didn't know before, that they can cheat the same as Trump. The rich aren't going to forget that lesson, even after Trump leaves office. If Trump can blatantly cheat and not be caught by the half-ass "auditing" from the IRS, then more subtle cheating by the rich will also slip past the IRS. The whole system for taxing the wealthy depends on them honestly reporting their income. If they stop being honest, what will make them start, again? Certainly not threats of better "auditing." I've never been audited and I'm not a unique case, but if IRS "auditing" in general is as useless as in the case of Trump, I should follow Trump's example and cheat. The other 3.5 million One-Percenters should also start following Trump's example and start cheating.

A federal appeals court panel on July 10, 2019, ordered the dismissal of a lawsuit claiming President Trump has violated the Constitution. The Court didn't even bother to decide if Trump was a crook or not. Instead, it ruled that Maryland and the District of Columbia cannot sue Trump for being a crook. As far as the Court can tell, nobody but the Senate can make Trump obey and the Senate does that by removing Trump from office.

Until Mr. Trump took office, no court had ever ruled on the meaning of the emoluments clauses or how they could be enforced, if at all. The Fourth Circuit panel’s decision is unlikely to be the last word. The plaintiffs could appeal to the full court, which is less conservative than the judges who ruled. All three judges on the panel were appointed by Republican presidents.

A similar case, filed by congressional Democrats, is now before the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, and legal experts say the question could well wind up before the Supreme Court.

www.nytimes.com/2019/07/10/us/politics/trump-hotel-emoluments-constitu
tion.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, July 29, 2019 9:34 PM

The rich didn't learn how to cheat on their taxes by Trump. lol

The rich got rich because they're liars and cheaters by trade.

I find it quite amusing how Trump is the idiot who can't even tie his own shoes, let alone fulfill the duties of the President one day, but then the very next day he's an evil criminal mastermind.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, July 30, 2019 1:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Since you know how to cut and paste the proper spelling of 'investigation', I suggest you correct the title of your thread:

Mueller Investagation Is Over

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63004

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JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, July 30, 2019 2:11 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

The rich got rich because they're liars and cheaters by trade.

That's quite a statement. I would never have guessed your beliefs were the same as Socialists, and the anarchists and dopeheads of Occupy Wall Street.

Here's a little something to possibly brighten your day. You can get a minimum of $125 for free. Just apply:
https://www.equifaxbreachsettlement.com/

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, July 30, 2019 2:16 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

The rich got rich because they're liars and cheaters by trade.

That's quite a statement. I would never have guessed your beliefs were the same as Socialists, and the anarchists and dopeheads of Occupy Wall Street.
https://www.equifaxbreachsettlement.com/

Only when it comes to the insane wealth inequities in what is supposed to be the greatest country in the world.

All of the other stuff is just bullshit that is keeping us from fighting the true lines of inequity, which is class warfare. The rich get to keep getting richer so long as they can keep us divided by our religions, the color of our skin and our sexual organs.

Both parties are culpable of this.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, July 30, 2019 2:43 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Only when it comes to the insane wealth inequities in what is supposed to be the greatest country in the world.

All countries have insane wealth inequities and have since the beginning of time. Sure you're not just jealous of the rich, or perhaps you're just angry at yourself for not achieving as much as you might have expected and wanted?

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All of the other stuff is just bullshit that is keeping us from fighting the true lines of inequity, which is class warfare. The rich get to keep getting richer so long as they can keep us divided by our religions, the color of our skin and our sexual organs.

Oh please, that's a tv show. It's a pre-packaged, make-believe world we only even know about because we see it on television. None of that affects our daily lives. Our desires and dreams are personal and unique to all of us. There's no dome over any of our heads.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, July 30, 2019 4:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Only when it comes to the insane wealth inequities in what is supposed to be the greatest country in the world.

All countries have insane wealth inequities and have since the beginning of time. Sure you're not just jealous of the rich, or perhaps you're just angry at yourself for not achieving as much as you might have expected and wanted?

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All of the other stuff is just bullshit that is keeping us from fighting the true lines of inequity, which is class warfare. The rich get to keep getting richer so long as they can keep us divided by our religions, the color of our skin and our sexual organs.

Oh please, that's a tv show. It's a pre-packaged, make-believe world we only even know about because we see it on television. None of that affects our daily lives. Our desires and dreams are personal and unique to all of us. There's no dome over any of our heads.

I'm all for capitalism and a system based on merit.

We don't have capitalism. We live in a system of government regulated predatory capitalism which rewards the stupidest and the loudest crybabies with the scraps while putting the bulk of the money into as few hands as possible. Hard work doesn't get you anywhere in 2019 anymore. It hasn't since the late 90's. Enjoy that retirement next egg, boomer. You're the last generation in America that will have one.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Tuesday, July 30, 2019 5:10 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Tuesday, July 30, 2019 8:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Hard work doesn't get you anywhere in 2019 anymore. It hasn't since the late 90's. Enjoy that retirement next egg, boomer. You're the last generation in America that will have one.

Might as well give up then, right?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, July 30, 2019 11:18 PM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Hard work doesn't get you anywhere in 2019 anymore. It hasn't since the late 90's. Enjoy that retirement next egg, boomer. You're the last generation in America that will have one.

Might as well give up then, right?

No. But might as well just do enough to get by and learn to live without a bunch of shit you don't need. Unless you love being mired in credit card debt for the rest of your life. My condolences if it's already too late for you or somebody you care about. Wage slavery isn't fun.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Wednesday, July 31, 2019 1:44 AM

Impeachment Investigation Is Underway, Judiciary Committee Says

FWIW as far as I'm concerned the democrats can investigate Trump until hell freezes over.

There's only 2 downsides:
1) The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/ rinse/ spin/ repeat/ cycle they mistake for the real world. And in that cycle apparently all memory of previous agitations over a never-ending series of over-hyped fictions is scrubbed clean.
2) The democrat politicians will lose more of the broad support they need as they become overly-consumed-by, and identified-with, Trump Derangement Syndrome, and people see they're failing to address real issues. Because problems that Trump already identified AS PROBLEMS will be his best friends during election time - and the democrats' worst enemies.

And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?

THG

Friday, August 2, 2019 9:18 AM

Pelosi calls Kushner a 'slumlord' in defense of Cummings

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called Jared Kushner a "slumlord" on Thursday as she defended Democratic Rep. Elijah Cummings and his Baltimore-area district following days of attacks from President Trump.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pelosi-calls-kushner-a-slumlor
d-in-defense-of-cummings/ar-AAFcedO?ocid=spartandhp

Can you say it's on? I can, I can say it's on.

tick tock

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1KIKI

Friday, August 2, 2019 9:54 AM

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, August 2, 2019 11:31 AM

Will you guys just impeach already and get it over with?

Honestly, I really don't want to hear you whine about it for another 5 1/2 years.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Saturday, August 3, 2019 12:16 AM

Majority of House Democrats now support Trump impeachment inquiry

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/majority-of-house-democrats-no
w-support-trump-impeachment-inquiry/ar-AAFeYAf?ocid=spartandhp

T

tick tock

6IXSTRINGJACK
Saturday, August 3, 2019 12:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Majority of House Democrats now support Trump impeachment inquiry

No surprise after how bad these debates have been going over.

Back to Orange Man Bad!

'Cause it's all that Democrats in 2019 got.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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THG
Saturday, August 3, 2019 8:25 PM

Trump casts doubt on Russian interference in 2020 election

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-casts-doubt-on-russian-i
nterference-in-2020-election/ar-AAFeQBO?ocid=spartandhp

Benedict Arnold Trump continues to work on behalf of the Russians.

tick tock

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, August 3, 2019 9:32 PM

Uh huh.

lol

Yanno, there are Democratic debates going on right now. Why don't you tell us who among them has a reasonable platform and a chance at beating Trump legitimately instead of continuing to prep excuses for another loss in 2020?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Sunday, August 4, 2019 6:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Trump casts doubt on Russian interference in 2020 election

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-casts-doubt-on-russian-i
nterference-in-2020-election/ar-AAFeQBO?ocid=spartandhp

Benedict Arnold Trump continues to work on behalf of the Russians.

tick tock

T

We now need to add grand wizard to Trumps title. And clan members when describing the trolls here. You know, the usual bunch. sig kiki jack rappy jsf JONGSSTRAW and jtown.

T

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, August 4, 2019 9:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Trump casts doubt on Russian interference in 2020 election

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-casts-doubt-on-russian-i
nterference-in-2020-election/ar-AAFeQBO?ocid=spartandhp

Benedict Arnold Trump continues to work on behalf of the Russians.

tick tock

T

We now need to add grand wizard to Trumps title. And clan members when describing the trolls here. You know, the usual bunch. sig kiki jack rappy jsf JONGSSTRAW and jtown.

T

You already added grand wizard to Trump's title before he was in office, idiot. You must forget we've had to listen to your bullshit since 2016.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Friday, August 9, 2019 4:41 AM

Deutsche and Wall Street banks reportedly just gave Congress thousands of documents related to Russians with possible ties to Trump

Deutsche Bank, JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley, and Wells Fargo have been giving thousands of documents to congressional committees investigating whether President Trump had links to Russia, according to The Wall Street Journal, which cited people familiar with congressional probes.

The Journal also said that some banks were giving documents related to the president's own business, the Trump Organization, to New York state investigators.
Investigators for the House Financial Services Committee and the House Intelligence Committee are reportedly working on a joint probe into whether there was potential foreign influence on Trump and his family.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/deutsche-and-wall-street-banks
-reportedly-just-gave-congress-thousands-of-documents-related-to-russians-with-possible-ties-to-trump/ar-AAFwMLp?ocid=spartandhp

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, August 9, 2019 5:10 AM

Good luck!

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Saturday, August 17, 2019 6:59 AM

Justice Dept. says Mueller report has been downloaded 800 million times

Robert Mueller's report on his investigation into Russia's election interference and the Trump campaign has been downloaded hundreds of millions of times, according to newly released federal documents.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/justice-dept-says-mueller-repo
rt-has-been-downloaded-800-million-times/ar-AAFU3l4?ocid=spartandhp

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, August 17, 2019 7:27 AM

Downloaded 800 million times and never read once after they realized how long it was and it's like reading a 400 page cell phone contract.

What's your point?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Saturday, August 17, 2019 9:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Downloaded 800 million times and never read once after they realized how long it was and it's like reading a 400 page cell phone contract.

What's your point?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I opened up the Mueller Report randomly and found this story about Trump ordering people to lie and the people told Trump they would not:

2. The President Seeks to Have McGahn Dispute the Press Reports

On January 26, 2018, the President’s personal counsel called McGahn’s attorney and said that the President wanted McGahn to put out a statement denying that he had been asked to fire the Special Counsel and that he had threatened to quit in protest.784 McGahn’s attorney spoke with McGahn about that request and then called the President’s personal counsel to relay that McGahn would not make a statement.785 McGahn’s attorney informed the President’s personal counsel that the Times story was accurate in reporting that the President wanted the Special Counsel removed.786 Accordingly, McGahn’s attorney said, although the article was inaccurate in some other respects, McGahn could not comply with the President’s request to dispute the story.787 Hicks recalled relaying to the President that one of his attorneys had spoken to McGahn’s attorney about the issue.788

On February 4, 2018, Priebus appeared on Meet the Press and said he had not heard the President say that he wanted the Special Counsel fired.791 After Priebus’s appearance, the President called Priebus and said he did a great job on Meet the Press.792 The President also told Priebus that the President had “never said any of those things about” the Special Counsel.793

The next day, on February 5, 2018, the President complained about the Times article to Porter.794 The President told Porter that the article was “bullshit” and he had not sought to terminate the Special Counsel.795 The President said that McGahn leaked to the media to make himself look good.796 The President then directed Porter to tell McGahn to create a record to make clear that the President never directed McGahn to fire the Special Counsel.797 Porter thought the matter should be handled by the White House communications office, but the President said he wanted McGahn to write a letter to the file “for our records” and wanted something beyond a press statement to demonstrate that the reporting was inaccurate.798 The President referred to McGahn as a “lying bastard” and said that he wanted a record from him.799 Porter recalled the President saying something to the effect of, “If he doesn’t write a letter, then maybe I’ll have to get rid of him.”800

Later that day, Porter spoke to McGahn to deliver the President’s message.801 Porter told McGahn that he had to write a letter to dispute that he was ever ordered to terminate the Special Counsel.802 McGahn shrugged off the request, explaining that the media reports were true.803 McGahn told Porter that the President had been insistent on firing the Special Counsel and that McGahn had planned to resign rather than carry out the order, although he had not personally told the President he intended to quit.804 Porter told McGahn that the President suggested that McGahn would be fired if he did not write the letter.80S McGahn dismissed the threat, saying that the optics would be terrible if the President followed through with firing him on that basis.806 McGahn said he would not write the letter the President had requested.807 Porter said that to his knowledge the issue of McGahn’s letter never came up with the President again, but Porter did recall telling Kelly about his conversation with McGahn.808

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Sunday, August 18, 2019 4:51 PM

Robert Mueller on Whether Trump Could be Indicted

The former special counsel fielded questions on Donald Trump, ethics, and Russia’s interference in the 2016 Presidential election.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THG

Sunday, August 18, 2019 6:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Robert Mueller on Whether Trump Could be Indicted

The former special counsel fielded questions on Donald Trump, ethics, and Russia’s interference in the 2016 Presidential election.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, August 19, 2019 2:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Downloaded 800 million times and never read once after they realized how long it was and it's like reading a 400 page cell phone contract.

What's your point?

Do Right, Be Right. :)
I opened up the Mueller Report randomly and found this story about Trump ordering people to lie and the people told Trump they would not:

2. The President Seeks to Have McGahn Dispute the Press Reports

On January 26, 2018, the President’s personal counsel called McGahn’s attorney and said that the President wanted McGahn to put out a statement denying that he had been asked to fire the Special Counsel and that he had threatened to quit in protest.784 McGahn’s attorney spoke with McGahn about that request and then called the President’s personal counsel to relay that McGahn would not make a statement.785 McGahn’s attorney informed the President’s personal counsel that the Times story was accurate in reporting that the President wanted the Special Counsel removed.786 Accordingly, McGahn’s attorney said, although the article was inaccurate in some other respects, McGahn could not comply with the President’s request to dispute the story.787 Hicks recalled relaying to the President that one of his attorneys had spoken to McGahn’s attorney about the issue.788

On February 4, 2018, Priebus appeared on Meet the Press and said he had not heard the President say that he wanted the Special Counsel fired.791 After Priebus’s appearance, the President called Priebus and said he did a great job on Meet the Press.792 The President also told Priebus that the President had “never said any of those things about” the Special Counsel.793

The next day, on February 5, 2018, the President complained about the Times article to Porter.794 The President told Porter that the article was “bullshit” and he had not sought to terminate the Special Counsel.795 The President said that McGahn leaked to the media to make himself look good.796 The President then directed Porter to tell McGahn to create a record to make clear that the President never directed McGahn to fire the Special Counsel.797 Porter thought the matter should be handled by the White House communications office, but the President said he wanted McGahn to write a letter to the file “for our records” and wanted something beyond a press statement to demonstrate that the reporting was inaccurate.798 The President referred to McGahn as a “lying bastard” and said that he wanted a record from him.799 Porter recalled the President saying something to the effect of, “If he doesn’t write a letter, then maybe I’ll have to get rid of him.”800

Later that day, Porter spoke to McGahn to deliver the President’s message.801 Porter told McGahn that he had to write a letter to dispute that he was ever ordered to terminate the Special Counsel.802 McGahn shrugged off the request, explaining that the media reports were true.803 McGahn told Porter that the President had been insistent on firing the Special Counsel and that McGahn had planned to resign rather than carry out the order, although he had not personally told the President he intended to quit.804 Porter told McGahn that the President suggested that McGahn would be fired if he did not write the letter.80S McGahn dismissed the threat, saying that the optics would be terrible if the President followed through with firing him on that basis.806 McGahn said he would not write the letter the President had requested.807 Porter said that to his knowledge the issue of McGahn’s letter never came up with the President again, but Porter did recall telling Kelly about his conversation with McGahn.808

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

He said, she said...

Imagine that.

We aren't talking about this particular McGahn, are we?

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/14/judge-rejects-mcgahn-grand-j
ury-lawsuits-1462917

https://thehill.com

THG

Tuesday, August 20, 2019 12:01 AM

Assistant House speaker Ben Ray Lujan backs impeachment inquiry

WASHINGTON — Assistant House Speaker Ben Ray Lujan, D-N.M., on Monday became the highest ranking House Democrat to call for opening an impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/assistant-house-speaker-ben-ra
y-lujan-backs-impeachment-inquiry/ar-AAG1FVj?ocid=spartanntp

tick tock

T

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, August 20, 2019 1:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Assistant House speaker Ben Ray Lujan backs impeachment inquiry

WASHINGTON — Assistant House Speaker Ben Ray Lujan, D-N.M., on Monday became the highest ranking House Democrat to call for opening an impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/assistant-house-speaker-ben-ra
y-lujan-backs-impeachment-inquiry/ar-AAG1FVj?ocid=spartanntp

tick tock

T

Good. So do I.

Been wondering what you goons have been waiting for these last two years.

Let's do this already.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Tuesday, August 20, 2019 5:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Assistant House speaker Ben Ray Lujan backs impeachment inquiry

WASHINGTON — Assistant House Speaker Ben Ray Lujan, D-N.M., on Monday became the highest ranking House Democrat to call for opening an impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/assistant-house-speaker-ben-ra
y-lujan-backs-impeachment-inquiry/ar-AAG1FVj?ocid=spartanntp

tick tock

T

WHA???? Wait. I thought the "Impeachment Investigation Is Underway, Judiciary Committee Says" and it started some time before "Friday, July 26, 2019 5:52 PM"

tic tac

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, August 20, 2019 6:07 AM

Well, you see, the inquiry to investigate if we're going to impeach was underway, but well... it's complicated really... you see, ehrm... well this high ranking Democratic dude you've never heard of before, you see, he's our highest ranking member so far that is putting a call out to open this inquiry into the investigation to decide whether or not we're going to impeach.

Orange Man Bad!

You get it now?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Tuesday, August 20, 2019 6:14 AM

The Other Reason to Impeach — Trump’s Increasing Lunacy

In all of the calculations about whether there is sufficient evidence to impeach, and what effect impeachment would have on the 2020 election, the most obvious reasons keep being ignored:

He makes impulsive decisions, makes stuff up, alienates allies, refuses to vet prospective nominees, doesn’t read briefing materials, reverses policies on a dime, and so on. As his Republican allies know all too well, he is out of his mind.

Trump incautiously contends that Joe Biden is “not playing with a full deck.” Trump doesn’t have a picture card in his hand.

If we needed one more bit of evidence, we now have . . . Greenland.

The ice-man cometh.

If someone at The Onion had made the Greenland story up, the editors would have rejected it as too far-fetched. But Trump’s aides have now confirmed that he has been badgering them for weeks to find out how he can buy Greenland.

Imagine his thought processes. With global warming, there are all these minerals ready to be exploited. Or maybe it can be a source of the ice that the rest of the world is losing. Today, Greenland; tomorrow Antarctica.

The fact that Greenland is not for sale doesn’t seem to deter him. In Trumpworld, everyone is for sale. It’s just a matter of price.

When he finally goes, in the spirit of Napoleon’s exile to Elba, Greenland would be a great place to put Trump on ice.

https://prospect.org/blog/on-tap/other-reason-impeach-trumps-increasin
g-lunacy

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, August 20, 2019 8:20 AM

lol whatever

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Saturday, August 24, 2019 3:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol whatever

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Lawyers for Deutsche Bank and Capital One repeatedly refused Friday to tell an appellate court in New York whether the banks are in possession of President Donald Trump's tax returns.

"Should we go to court and seek an order? I'm serious. We need to know," US Circuit Judge Peter W. Hall told a lawyer for Deutsche Bank. After several minutes of argument on the subject, the court directed the lawyers to file letters under seal within 48 hours saying whether the banks have Trump's tax returns.

"Why is it that Deutsche Bank would lend him money when no other bank would touch him?" Douglas Letter, general counsel for the House, said Friday. Letter said the committee intends to use the subpoenaed material to determine whether there should be additional banking regulation that might curb the type of loans Trump received.

www.cnn.com/2019/08/23/politics/trump-tax-return-hearing/index.html

Trump would not be so ridiculously obstinate about his tax returns if he wasn't a tax cheater. Maybe in the next 48 hours he will order, secretly, that those tax returns be shredded. That way nobody can know what was in them, making it impossible to charge Trump with tax evasion. Congress will have to sue to discover whether copies exist anywhere. Trump's lawyers, as directed by their client, will refuse to answer for months and months about what happened to the returns. Trump will tweet about a witch hunt for his tax returns, all the while pretending he can't make his returns available to Congress, but only because he is being sued by Congress. If only Congress would drop the lawsuit, Trump would be glad to give Congress a copy. It's another version of "I can't give you my tax returns because I'm being audited."

About that audit:

A federal whistleblower is alleging possible improper interference with the IRS process of auditing President Donald Trump's tax returns, according to multiple reports Wednesday. In separate reports, Politico and NBC News said the federal worker made the allegations to the House Ways and Means Committee, citing a court motion by House Democrats in their lawsuit to force the release of Trump's tax returns. According to NBC News, the court filing included a letter from committee chairman Richard Neal, D-Mass., to Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin, which said the House panel "received an unsolicited communication from a federal employee setting forth credible allegations of 'evidence of possible misconduct' - specifically, potential 'inappropriate efforts to influence the mandatory audit program.'" Details of potential interference were not mentioned.
www.marketwatch.com/story/whistleblower-alleges-possible-interference-
in-trumps-tax-audit-reports-2019-08-21

There’s an easy fix for the President. He should release his tax returns as he promised during the campaign and follow the precedent of every president since 1973.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Saturday, August 24, 2019 4:00 AM

I feel 98% certain that at some point we'll see his returns. Will I be confident they are his actual returns? They've almost become like Obama's birth certificate or Epstein's "suicide." And even if they are shown and they reveal the kind of corruption that Cohen pointed to, will anything happen? I know the NY AG is pressing hard, but until I hear that an action or crime by Trump can lead to the FBI doing a Manafort on him, I won't get too excited.

SECOND

Saturday, August 24, 2019 5:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
I feel 98% certain that at some point we'll see his returns. Will I be confident they are his actual returns? They've almost become like Obama's birth certificate or Epstein's "suicide." And even if they are shown and they reveal the kind of corruption that Cohen pointed to, will anything happen? I know the NY AG is pressing hard, but until I hear that an action or crime by Trump can lead to the FBI doing a Manafort on him, I won't get too excited.

I'm confident we will never see Trump's returns to the same level of detail as Obama's.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/pdfs.taxnotes.com/2019/B_Obama_2009.pdf

When the IRS does an audit of real estate tycoons, the IRS does NOT go to sellers/buyers who dealt with the tycoon to discover the price paid for the real estate. Many buyers/sellers won't voluntarily share that number with anyone, but it is essential to know those numbers to prove if the real estate tycoon cheated on his reported income.

Luckily, Congress can subpoena buyers/sellers for the real numbers. It might take thousands of manhours to figure out if Trump cheated, but it can be done if the Speaker of the House wants it done. In the past, Speakers didn't want to know.

Vice President Spiro Agnew's tax return is one example where the Speaker didn't care to know. Agnew only got into trouble because the person who was paying Agnew bribes talked. Agnew never did pay the taxes he owed on those bribes because he made a deal to resign, very quietly, in exchange for clemency. Trump might be another case where all Republicans in Congress (and a few Democrats) don't care to know. They might let Trump go free if he agrees to go quietly, after losing an election. Congress knows Trump could really stir up a crisis if he doesn't get an agreement to ignore his tax cheating. The stubborn old fool might flat-out refuse to leave the White House until he gets tax forgiveness. He is crazy. There is no way to know how ridiculous and shameless he will be at the end.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, August 24, 2019 10:43 AM

Just impeach the guy already.

I don't understand why we're still talking about it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Just impeach the guy already.

I don't understand why we're still talking about it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I agree. This is as bad as the Mueller 2+ yr striptease.

JEEEEEZE!

Just get on with it already!

The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/ rinse/ spin/ repeat/ cycle they mistake for the real world.

SECOND

Saturday, August 24, 2019 6:15 PM

Trump is making threats that he can do any nutty thing that comes to mind:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump tweeted
For all of the Fake News Reporters that don’t have a clue as to what the law is relative to Presidential powers, China, etc., try looking at the Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977. Case closed!
8:58 PM - 23 Aug 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1165111122510237696

The above tweet was launched after the two tweets below. He can't do the things he thinks he can do in those tweets: order the Federal Reserve to do as Trump pleases; order American companies to do as he pleases; order China to do as he pleases. But if he tries mightily, he will make a mighty mess of it. He is just not mentally competent to do the job. He is too emotionally unstable and too stupid.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 1h
As usual, the Fed did NOTHING! It is incredible that they can "speak" without knowing or asking what I am doing, which will be announced shortly. We have a very strong dollar and a very weak Fed. I will work "brilliantly" with both, and the U.S. will do great.......My only question is, who is our bigger enemy. Jay Powell or Chairman Xi?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1164914610836783104

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 1h
Our Country has lost, stupidly, Trillions of Dollars with China over many years.
They have stolen our Intellectual Property at a rate of Hundreds of Billions of Dollars a year, & they want to continue. I won't let that happen! We don't need China and, frankly, would be far........better off without them. The vast amounts of money made and stolen by China from the United States, year after year, for decades, will and must STOP. Our great American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to China, including bringing......your companies HOME and making your products in the USA. I will be responding to China's Tariffs this afternoon. This is a GREAT opportunity for the United States. Also, I am ordering all carriers, including Fed Ex, Amazon, UPS and the Post Office, to SEARCH FOR & REFUSE,........all deliveries of Fentanyl from China (or anywhere else!). Fentanyl kills 100,000 Americans a year. President Xi said this would stop - it didn't. Our Economy, because of our gains in the last 2 1/2 years, is MUCH larger than that of China. We will keep it that way!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1164914959131848705

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THG

Saturday, August 24, 2019 6:28 PM

Might be best to just keep gathering facts until Trump loses in 2020. Then put him in jail and fine him into bankruptcy.

After all, Barr will be gone first thing and they can put Mueller back in charge. Fun to think about.

T

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, August 24, 2019 7:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Might be best to just keep gathering facts until Trump loses in 2020. Then put him in jail and fine him into bankruptcy.

After all, Barr will be gone first thing and they can put Mueller back in charge. Fun to think about.

T

You've got all the time in the world buddy. No need to rush anything.

Trump isn't going anywhere.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Saturday, August 24, 2019 8:13 PM

THG

Saturday, August 31, 2019 7:09 PM

T

41 Dems have come out "in favor of impeachment since Mueller testified before Congress in July. Congressman Steve Cohen argues the investigation is 'beyond the stage of simply having an inquiry' but Trump 'should be impeached.'

THG

Friday, September 6, 2019 11:54 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, September 7, 2019 1:00 AM

Seriously.

WTF are you waiting for?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Tuesday, September 10, 2019 4:59 PM

T___ tick tock

Escalation: Democrats Take Formal Steps On Impeachment Probe

SECOND

Tuesday, September 10, 2019 6:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Seriously.

WTF are you waiting for?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Trump's tax fraud is the thing I am most certain he is guilty of. Back in the real world, 81 to 84 percent of Americans also think it is wrong. If accountants can show that Trump underpaid his taxes by a few billion dollars, I think even Republicans would insist he pay those taxes, although they wouldn't want him to go to jail for it. That will be where the Democrats disagree. They'd want 5 years in federal prison for Trump.

Estimates of U.S. Federal Revenue Lost to Tax Evasion by guys like Trump run into the trillions of dollars, enough to cut the deficit to zero. Even Republicans would like a zero deficit! They'd want Trump to pay, although they would quibble over the exact amount.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_evasion_in_the_United_States#Estimat
es_of_lost_government_revenue

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, September 10, 2019 6:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Seriously.

WTF are you waiting for?

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Trump's tax fraud is the thing I am most certain he is guilty of. Back in the real world, 81 to 84 percent of Americans also think it is wrong. If accountants can show that Trump underpaid his taxes by a few billion dollars, I think even Republicans would insist he pay those taxes, although they wouldn't want him to go to jail for it. That will be where the Democrats disagree. They'd want 5 years in federal prison for Trump.

Estimates of U.S. Federal Revenue Lost to Tax Evasion by guys like Trump run into the trillions of dollars, enough to cut the deficit to zero. Even Republicans would like a zero deficit! They'd want Trump to pay, although they would quibble over the exact amount.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_evasion_in_the_United_States#Estimat
es_of_lost_government_revenue

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

So you've said.

100 times.

Good luck.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Tuesday, September 10, 2019 6:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

So you've said.

100 times.

Good luck.

For all we really know, Trump might have actually paid his taxes (lol) and his real problem is Vraylar related: Elderly people with dementia-related psychosis (having lost touch with reality due to confusion and memory loss) taking medicines like Vraylar are at an increased risk of death. Easily, Trump could be out of his itty-bitty mind and yet he continues to amuses me. I must say that sane Mike Pence as Prez wouldn't be any fun compared to silly old Trump.

www.vraylar.com

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THG

Friday, September 13, 2019 3:58 AM

'My time is growing near': John Lewis dangles impeachment announcement

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/newspolitics/my-time-is-growing-near-jo
hn-lewis-dangles-impeachment-announcement/ar-AAHczc4?ocid=msn360

tick tock

T

THG

Friday, September 13, 2019 11:30 PM

Wouldn't it be smart to wait to impeach? Think about it. If Trump loses all his wrong doings will hit the courts where he'll surely lose tons of money in lawyer fees and fines. Jail is also on the table if dems win. No way the voters would allow for Trump to be pardoned.

Now, if he wins. On the day he is sworn in the dems hit him with impeachment. Anyway you look at it it's a win.

tick tock

T

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, September 14, 2019 12:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Wouldn't it be smart to wait to impeach? Think about it. If Trump loses all his wrong doings will hit the courts where he'll surely lose tons of money in lawyer fees and fines. Jail is also on the table if dems win. No way the voters would allow for Trump to be pardoned.

Now, if he wins. On the day he is sworn in the dems hit him with impeachment. Anyway you look at it it's a win.

tick tock

T

I don't think that's going to work out for you buddy.

GOP is likely to take back the house in 2020.

The way I see it, you've got about 15 months left.

Tick Tock.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Saturday, September 14, 2019 9:14 PM

T

"No Question: We're In Investigation To Determine Articles Of Impeachment

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, September 15, 2019 2:48 AM

What was the Resolution number which started this Impeachment Investigation?

The House Resolution number, or the Judiciary Committee Resolution number?

It must have been 26 July or sooner, since this thread announced it on that day.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, September 16, 2019 2:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
What was the Resolution number which started this Impeachment Investigation?

The House Resolution number, or the Judiciary Committee Resolution number?

It must have been 26 July or sooner, since this thread announced it on that day.

???
Crickets??

THG

Saturday, September 21, 2019 7:06 PM

T

I'll point out for the dummies here that the Mueller investigation revolved around a foreign country helping Trump in the election by providing dirt on Trumps opponent. It further revealed Trump tried to cover it up. Lies, no collusion said Trump.

Here we go again. Trump trying to blackmail Ukraine into colluding with him in the upcoming elections by providing dirt on one of Trumps opponents. We are further learning that Trump has been trying to cover it up.

You can't make this shit up folks.

tick tock

6IXSTRINGJACK
Saturday, September 21, 2019 7:27 PM

The only problem with this story is the lack of motive.

Trump doesn't need any dirt on any one of these clowns.

Not only can't any of them provide a message that the people want to hear, but amidst the 24/7 bashing Trump has received by the MSM for 3 years now, his approval rating is exactly where Obama's was 8 years ago.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-approval-rating-higher-obama-1460076

Quote:
President Donald Trump's job approval rating this week averaged across major polls surpassed that of his predecessor President Barack Obama at the same time eight years ago, giving some actual good news to Trump who is known to cite only conservative-leaning polls to bolster his image.

Trump's approval rating on Wednesday was 44.3 percent, according to a Real Clear Politics average of more than a half-dozen major polls. That is higher than Obama's average approval rating of 43.9 percent on September 18, 2011, by the same measure.

The 45th president's average approval rating surpassed that of his predecessor on Monday and stayed on top for the next two days. Trump's average approval rating on Monday was 44.1 percent compared to Obama's 43.9 percent on September 16, 2011, and 44 percent on Tuesday compared to Obama's 43.8 percent on September 17, 2011.

Why would Trump want to blackmail any of them?

I'd be more concerned, if I were you, that everybody up on that Primary stage is working for Trump.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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SIGNYM
Saturday, September 21, 2019 10:02 PM

PELOSI TELLS NADLER TO GIVE UP ON HIS OBSSESSION ABOUT IMPEACHMENT

Quote:
Feel free to leak this': Inside the Pelosi-Nadler impeachment schism

The longtime allies are increasingly in conflict over the push to oust President Donald Trump.

By SARAH FERRIS, HEATHER CAYGLE and JOHN BRESNAHAN

In a closed-door meeting last week, Speaker Nancy Pelosi stunned lawmakers and aides with a swipe at Democratic staff on the House Judiciary Committee.

Pelosi criticized the panel’s handling of impeachment in harsh terms, complaining committee aides have advanced the push for ousting President Donald Trump far beyond where the House Democratic Caucus stands. Democrats simply don’t have the votes on the floor to impeach Trump, Pelosi said.

“And you can feel free to leak this,” Pelosi added, according to multiple people in the room. Pelosi’s office declined to comment on the meeting.

It was the latest sign of the widening schism between Pelosi and Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler, two longtime allies who are increasingly in conflict over where to guide the party at one of its most critical moments.

Both Pelosi and Nadler, who have served in the House together for more than 25 years, insist their relationship remains strong. But their rift over impeachment is getting harder and harder to paper over amid Democrats’ flailing messaging on the topic and a growing divide in the caucus.

Whether the two veteran lawmakers can get on the same page will determine whether the party avoids a rupture that threatens its chances of holding on to the House majority and beating Trump in 2020.

“I think the speaker wants to be careful of all the different members of the caucus,” said Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.), co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus and a vocal impeachment advocate. “She doesn’t always want to use the word ‘impeachment’ but believe me, she signed off on every piece of what has been put forward.”

Yet the gap between Pelosi and Nadler has been on full display lately.

The Judiciary Committee held what it billed as its first “impeachment hearing” on Tuesday with former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, whose outright refusal to answer questions only bolstered Democrats’ impeachment investigation, Nadler said.

But at the very same moment, Pelosi was stressing in a private meeting with moderate Democrats that the caucus would be cautious as it approaches whether to move forward on impeachment, according to multiple attendees.

“Nadler is talking about law, Pelosi is talking about politics,” said Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.), a member of the Judiciary Committee, when asked about the divide between the two senior Democrats. “Nadler is looking at high crimes and misdemeanors, and we are inundated with them in the Judiciary Committee. But Pelosi is looking at the political side of it.”

Raskin, though, insisted the Pelosi-Nadler split isn’t hurting Democrats.

“I think it is fully, comprehensively representing the divergent opinion in the country what we need to do, and it’s too early to tell,” Raskin said. “Everyone wants to jump to the end, to say, ‘What’s the end of the story?' But we’re just in the middle of it.”

Nadler, one of the most aggressive impeachment backers among senior Democrats, has been careful not to clash directly with Pelosi since the start of his committee’s probe.

Yet the New York Democrat has ramped up his rhetoric over the summer, declaring that the House is in “formal impeachment proceedings” even as Pelosi has maintained her own careful message that the House is only weighing the possibility. At a news conference last week, she refused to even utter the “I-word.”

Nadler has made clear where he stands: Trump should be impeached. Now.

“Personally, I think the president ought to be impeached,” Nadler told WNYC’s Brian Lehrer on Monday in his strongest comments to date backing impeachment. But Nadler also acknowledged Democrats “cannot impeach the president against the will of the American people,” reiterating the point Pelosi has hammered

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1KIKI
Saturday, September 21, 2019 10:52 PM

Maybe I need to start another thread in the series "how democrats give away votes" (first two in the series were illegal immigration http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63190 and reparations http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63217).

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SIGNYM
Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:00 PM

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Maybe I need to start another thread in the series "how democrats give away votes" (first two in the series were illegal immigration http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63190 and reparations http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63217).

Indeed.

One important point in the story is that 50% of voters do NOT want Trump impeached, 12% haven't decided, and only 37% want impeachment. That 37% represents most, but not even all registered Democrats (40%). Obviously Dems need more than 37% to win an election. The problem is that this is silly-season (primaries) when Dems politicians wind up swinging waaaaaaay over to the left because they're only running against other Dems for registered Dem votes, so they have an extremely narrow agenda at the moment.

THE SAME GOES FOR REPUBLICANS.

I agree with JO, the two-party system has a pernicious effect on American politics, and policy. If there were truly open primaries then candidates would have to appeal to independents and even Democrats/ Republicans and we might see a more reasonable ticket emerge.

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1KIKI
Sunday, September 22, 2019 1:24 AM

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Maybe I need to start another thread in the series "how democrats give away votes" (first two in the series were illegal immigration http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63190 and reparations http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63217).
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Indeed.

One important point in the story is that 50% of voters do NOT want Trump impeached, 12% haven't decided, and only 37% want impeachment. That 37% represents most, but not even all registered Democrats (40%). Obviously Dems need more than 37% to win an election. The problem is that this is silly-season (primaries) when Dems politicians wind up swinging waaaaaaay over to the left because they're only running against other Dems for registered Dem votes, so they have an extremely narrow agenda at the moment. If there were truly open primaries then candidates would have to appeal to independents and even Republicans and we might see a more reasonable ticket emerge.

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But it's not just the primaries. As I've been listening to The PBS Newshour (I can't bear to sit down and do nothing but watch it), Nadler - for example - is bending HIS role in the House to appease his PARTICULAR constituents which are the democrats in New York's 10th congressional district. Pelosi is bending HER role in the House to protect democrats in vulnerable districts. The democrat-controlled House is passing bill after bill without even the pretense of discussion and debate and bipartisanship. The Senate democrats are doing their best to be unnoticed political wallpaper.

NO DEMOCRATS in Congress are even pretending to do the people's business. And that's in the context of Trump's pretty good PR where he's at least talking about the issues that he campaigned on. Which is why I think Congressional democrats will continue to have no legitimacy with the generic voter.

BTW, I also think it's the difference between Obama's approval ratings over time v Trump's. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63291 LOL Obama came in talking a good game about hope and change. But then he secretively backed away from ... Closing GITMO. Holding Wall Street financialists accountable. Transparency. Full disclosure of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill and federal actions. Respecting everyday citizens' freedom from government surveillance. The public option. And on, and on, and on.

Obama was never going to win over republicans. But democrats and independents didn't so much rebuke Obama, as give up on him as just another shill full of empty campaign promises. Which is why his approval rating slowly slipped over time as people noticed he was very, very quiet about his campaign messages.

Trump isn't doing that.

And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?

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Sunday, September 22, 2019 2:03 AM

SIGNYM

Sunday, September 22, 2019 2:21 AM

Ok, this is deep in the weeds and far from impeachment, but Nadler is not running unopposed in his 10th District. He has a challenger (Lindsey Boylan) who is a bit further to the left than he is. He has to make a claim on SOMEthing, even if his only claim is Trump Derangement Syndrome.

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