Impeachment Investigation Is Underway, Judiciary Committee Says

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SECOND

Saturday, July 27, 2019 11:17 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
https://waysandmeans.house.gov/sites/democrats.waysandmeans.house.gov/
files/documents/2019.07.25%20Memo%20to%20Full%20Committee_0.pdf

Seems as though Neal is going about this the right way. I actually applaud his effort.

Great. Let Congress have the tax returns.

I'd still never expect for the public to get their hands on them. That's only going to happen through a leak, and Democrats are already looking at a 2020 election where they're going to get massacred, so I'd tread carefully on that one.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Congress may never see Trump's returns, but if it does, auditing will require months. Then Trump will insist the audit is fake and he will refuse to pay the taxes owed, which means that it will be his word against Congress and there won't be anyway to judge Trump because his returns are unavailable to the public or outside auditors unrelated to Congress or Trump. Auditing will suddenly become completely political, rather than a branch of accounting. There will be Republicans absolutely certain that Trump paid all his taxes, despite there being no proof because Trump is withholding the proof by not making his returns available.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, July 28, 2019 3:21 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
https://waysandmeans.house.gov/sites/democrats.waysandmeans.house.gov/
files/documents/2019.07.25%20Memo%20to%20Full%20Committee_0.pdf

Seems as though Neal is going about this the right way. I actually applaud his effort.

Great. Let Congress have the tax returns.

I'd still never expect for the public to get their hands on them. That's only going to happen through a leak, and Democrats are already looking at a 2020 election where they're going to get massacred, so I'd tread carefully on that one.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Congress may never see Trump's returns, but if it does, auditing will require months. Then Trump will insist the audit is fake and he will refuse to pay the taxes owed, which means that it will be his word against Congress and there won't be anyway to judge Trump because his returns are unavailable to the public or outside auditors unrelated to Congress or Trump. Auditing will suddenly become completely political, rather than a branch of accounting. There will be Republicans absolutely certain that Trump paid all his taxes, despite there being no proof because Trump is withholding the proof by not making his returns available.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Well... Que sera sera...

Make sure you work to get the next guy or gal in office to change the law in the future so that offering tax returns isn't just voluntary. While you're at it, make sure they also do something about the electoral college.

Otherwise, you just sound like you're pouting.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Sunday, July 28, 2019 3:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Well... Que sera sera...

Make sure you work to get the next guy or gal in office to change the law in the future so that offering tax returns isn't just voluntary. While you're at it, make sure they also do something about the electoral college.

Otherwise, you just sound like you're pouting.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I'll give you a silly example to demonstrate that changing the laws does not fix the problem. The Constitution requires the President be at least 35 years old and born in the US, but President Juan is 27 and born in Cuba. If Juan presents no birth certificate, or better yet, a fake certificate, what is to stop him from being sworn in? Nothing but Congress. If the Senate has Cubans that want Juan, Juan will be the next President. Four more years! Four more years! He still won't be 35 come the next election, but that won't make any difference if 34 or more Senators will support him.

It won't make any difference how many women in their 20's come forward to testify that they were in Havana High School with Juan, even if the women go to Court. If Juan won the second election, he is staying until 67 Senators vote to stop Juan and replace him with Vice President Jesus, born in Santiago de Cuba. (The V.P. claims that is fake news. Here we go again.)

Why pick on Cubans? Ted Cruz, born in Calgary, Alberta, Canada to a full blood Cuban father, was accused by Trump of being a Cuban. If one of Trump's pre-election scandals had brought him down, Cruz would be President today.
www.businessinsider.com/trump-cruz-feud-history-worst-attacks-2016-9

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, July 28, 2019 5:12 AM

lol

"Allow me to explain my dementia by posting an insane hypothetical that has nothing at all to do with the point I'm trying to make" ~Second

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JONGSSTRAW

Sunday, July 28, 2019 6:15 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

This doesn't make me happy.

This makes me EXTREMELY happy !!!!

No collusion, no obstruction, no crime, yet bed wetting children posing as members of congress are aiming to dividing this country to as many shreds and sections as required to some how overthrow the 2016 election and gain power ?

never
going
to
happen

Literally can't play into Trump's landslide re-election plans any more than they already have.

Washington Post and many top Democraps now grudgingly agree with you. Amazing!

"Mueller "stunt" backfired - big time"

https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2019/07/26/wapo-house-dems-gr
udgingly-admit-mueller-stunt-backfired-big-time/

"Immeasurable harm to the left"

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ex-msnbc-host-krystal-ball-msnbcs-russia
-conspiracies-have-done-immeasurable-harm-to-the-left

Hi-larious!

SECOND

Sunday, July 28, 2019 7:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

"Allow me to explain my dementia by posting an insane hypothetical that has nothing at all to do with the point I'm trying to make" ~Second

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, for not the first time, I understand why you are unemployed and worried for your future. I'll simplify why changing the laws about Presidential Income Tax returns won't make Trump's income tax returns available: if a President must keep his taxes a secret, only impeachment and removal from office will overcome his secretiveness. If the Supreme Court ordered Trump to publicize his income tax returns, the Supreme Court can't make him do it. The Senate can't, either, but they can remove him from power. Then his taxes can be publicized, unless the President had the records destroyed by the IRS before leaving office.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, July 28, 2019 8:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

"Allow me to explain my dementia by posting an insane hypothetical that has nothing at all to do with the point I'm trying to make" ~Second

Do Right, Be Right. :)
6ix, for not the first time, I understand why you are unemployed and worried for your future. I'll simplify why changing the laws about Presidential Income Tax returns won't make Trump's income tax returns available: if a President must keep his taxes a secret, only impeachment and removal from office will overcome his secretiveness. If the Supreme Court ordered Trump to publicize his income tax returns, the Supreme Court can't make him do it. The Senate can't, either, but they can remove him from power. Then his taxes can be publicized, unless the President had the records destroyed by the IRS before leaving office.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Hey dipshit.

It's too late for Trump.

I'm talking about making sure that the next Trump doesn't hide his taxes from you.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

WHOZIT

Sunday, July 28, 2019 8:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

"Allow me to explain my dementia by posting an insane hypothetical that has nothing at all to do with the point I'm trying to make" ~Second

Do Right, Be Right. :)
6ix, for not the first time, I understand why you are unemployed and worried for your future. I'll simplify why changing the laws about Presidential Income Tax returns won't make Trump's income tax returns available: if a President must keep his taxes a secret, only impeachment and removal from office will overcome his secretiveness. If the Supreme Court ordered Trump to publicize his income tax returns, the Supreme Court can't make him do it. The Senate can't, either, but they can remove him from power. Then his taxes can be publicized, unless the President had the records destroyed by the IRS before leaving office.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

You want to know about Trump's taxes FINE, but Pelosi has to release all the medications SHE'S on...OK?

SECOND

Sunday, July 28, 2019 4:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

"Allow me to explain my dementia by posting an insane hypothetical that has nothing at all to do with the point I'm trying to make" ~Second

Do Right, Be Right. :)
6ix, for not the first time, I understand why you are unemployed and worried for your future. I'll simplify why changing the laws about Presidential Income Tax returns won't make Trump's income tax returns available: if a President must keep his taxes a secret, only impeachment and removal from office will overcome his secretiveness. If the Supreme Court ordered Trump to publicize his income tax returns, the Supreme Court can't make him do it. The Senate can't, either, but they can remove him from power. Then his taxes can be publicized, unless the President had the records destroyed by the IRS before leaving office.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Hey dipshit.

It's too late for Trump.

I'm talking about making sure that the next Trump doesn't hide his taxes from you.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You keep missing the point: no matter what the law is changed to, a future President could simply refuse to obey it. If a future Supreme Court ordered the President to obey those changed laws, the President could stubbornly refuse. The only remedy is the Senate removing a pig-head President from power.

Trump is right now disobeying section 6103 of the Internal Revenue Code. If Congress had added more law before Trump was elected, it still wouldn't make Trump more obedient, because he probably has a huge tax bill that he does not wish to pay, apparently.

When this goes to the Supreme Court, and if the vote is 5 to 4 forcing Trump to obey section 6103 of the Internal Revenue Code, we will learn how serious Trump is about keeping his tax returns a secret. But if the Supreme Court chooses Trump's side, then we will never know how stubborn Trump really is about disobeying section 6103 and cheating on his taxes.

If the Supreme Court was in session, I am pretty sure four Republican justices would align with Trump, four Democratic justices would oppose, and Chief Justice Roberts would be the deciding vote on Trump's tax cheating and hiding his tax returns from Congressional expert auditors.

Historical Use of Authority to Obtain Confidential Tax Information
https://waysandmeans.house.gov/sites/democrats.waysandmeans.house.gov/
files/documents/2019.07.25%20Memo%20to%20Full%20Committee_0.pdf

Quote:
Section 6103 has been used to obtain the tax returns and return information of a sitting President. In researching my request, JCT staff confirmed that, in 1973 and 1974, the JCT Chief of Staff made various requests to the IRS for confidential taxpayer information of President Nixon and others. The current JCT Chief of Staff concluded, based on his review of materials, that “the Joint Committee staff sought and received, under its legal authority, confidential information directly from the Internal Revenue Service that was used in the analysis presented in the [1974] report.”

While it is true that President Nixon voluntarily disclosed his returns for tax years 1969 through 1972, JCT additionally sought from the IRS: (1) President Nixon’s returns for tax years 1963 through 1968, (2) certified copies of the returns voluntarily disclosed, and (3) returns for additional taxpayers. Where records were available, the IRS complied with JCT’s requests without delay or objection.

Unlike Nixon's IRS, Trump's IRS is delaying. Without a doubt, Trump privately ordered, leaving no paper trail, the Treasury Secretary to delay Congress's request for Trump's tax returns.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THG

Sunday, July 28, 2019 6:41 PM

The House Judiciary Committee has launched a process tantamount to an impeachment inquiry into Donald Trump according to experts, although it is being termed an ‘impeachment investigation

https://www.msnbc.com/am-joy/watch/impeachment-investigation-vs-impeac
hment-inquiry-into-trump-64716869573

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