Traitor Bergdahl released

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AURAPTOR

Monday, June 2, 2014 11:03 PM

Abandoned his post, in the middle of the night, and gets " caught " by the Taliban .

Complete dirtbag is now being praised as some sort of hero.

He ain't.

How many aren't coming home because they died while looking for this coward ?

CHRISISALL

Monday, June 2, 2014 11:22 PM

BENGHAZI!

AURAPTOR

Monday, June 2, 2014 11:44 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Abandoned his post, in the middle of the night, and gets " caught " by the Taliban .

Complete dirtbag is now being praised as some sort of hero.

He ain't.

How many aren't coming home because they died while looking for this coward ?

CHRISISALL

Monday, June 2, 2014 11:45 PM

BEN- BENGHAZI!

BYTEMITE

Monday, June 2, 2014 11:53 PM

Wow. I heard some of this traitor stuff Sunday too.

We don't even know the whole story, and frankly appeals to treason/betrayal against authority don't exactly hold water with me. And I'm not sure they should hold water with anyone else either seeing the goddamn war we fought for our independence required all of America to be traitors to England.

The guy spent 5 fucking years as a prisoner of the Taliban one of the most violent and brutal theocratic regimes in the world today, I think he's probably suffered enough for whatever crimes you think he might have committed.

You can argue about whether negotiating with them and releasing those guys from Gitmo was the right thing to do and I won't even blink an eye, but trying to somehow spin the return of a US citizen after years in captivity as a BAD thing is just low.

Let his family and community be happy and let the guy deal with whatever demons he might have either from his choices and people dying about it or the ordeal in general in peace. Hell.

CHRISISALL

Monday, June 2, 2014 11:59 PM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I think he's probably suffered enough for whatever crimes you think he might have committed.

trying to somehow spin the return of a US citizen after years in captivity as a BAD thing is just low.

When you overflow with hate, ya gotta spill it on every available target.

OONJERAH

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 12:22 AM

What would Au's avatar say?

[In the infirmary with a shell shocked solder]
Patton: What's the matter with you?

Soldier: I... I guess I... I can't take it sir.

Patton: What did you say?

Soldier: It's my nerves, sir. I... I... I just can't stand the shelling anymore.

Patton: Your nerves? Well, hell, you're just a God-damned coward.
[Soldier starts sniveling]

Patton: [Slaps him, once forehanded, then backhanded on the rebound]
Patton: Shut up! I won't have a yellow bastard sitting here crying in front of these brave men who have been wounded in battle!

[Soldier snivels some more, and Patton swings a vicious forehand slap, knocking his helmet away]
Patton: Shut up!

[to the doctors]
Patton: Don't admit this yellow bastard. There's nothing wrong with him. I won't have sons-of-bitches who are afraid to fight stinking up this place of honor!

[to soldier]
Patton: You're going back to the front, my friend. You may get shot, and you may get killed, but you're going up to the fighting. Either that, or I'm going to stand you up in front of a firing squad. I ought to shoot you myself, you god-damned... bastard! Get him out of here!
[pulls his service automatic. At that, the doctors leap forward and hustle the soldier out of the tent. Patton keeps shouting at the soldier's back]
Patton: Take him up to the front! You hear me? You God-damned coward!

[Takes deep breath]
Patton: I won't have cowards in my army.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 12:25 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I think he's probably suffered enough for whatever crimes you think he might have committed.

trying to somehow spin the return of a US citizen after years in captivity as a BAD thing is just low.

When you overflow with hate, ya gotta spill it on every available target.

And when you blind yourself to the realities of the world, and are ever seeking a kumbaya fuzzy moment, you get Chrissy.

Now, I'll happily fall upon a sword and recant , if the stories I'm hearing told turn out to be false.

But so far, they aren't.

Bowe Bergdahl apparently thought the US Army was the meals-on-wheels outfit that Bill and Hillary tried to turn it into, so many years ago. Sure, go help out the Afghan people. I got no problem w/ that. But he some how chose the wrong means by which to do it.

Oh, and the dude pretty much hates the Unite States, so there is that too.

He's not a POW, by any stretch of the imagination. What SHOULD happen is that he gets tossed in the brig for desertion and aiding the enemy. That won't happen, not with this clusterfuck of an administration. He's a HERO!!!

Total crap.

ETA - So what if this guy got disillusioned on the mission. What's worse, he turned on his own , and then put THEM in harm's way. Thanks to Bowe, 4 or 5 families, at least, won't be welcoming home their sons, because of his selfish act. Probably a lot more, too.

So yeah, if this guy really did freely give intel and helped murder US soldiers, that hate is well earned.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 12:29 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Bowe Bergdahl apparently thought the US Army was the meals-on-wheels outfit that Bill and Hillary tried to turn it into, so many years ago. Sure, go help out the Afghan people. I got no problem w/ that. But he some how chose the wrong means by which to do it.
Oh, and the dude pretty much hates the Unite States, so there is that too.
He's not a POW, by any stretch of the imagination. What SHOULD happen is that he gets tossed in the brig for desertion and aiding the enemy. That won't happen, not with this clusterfuck of an administration. He's a HERO!!!

Total crap.

And now my friends, thanks to AU's kindness here, we don't have to sit around wondering what Rush Limbo talked about today!

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 12:33 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

And now my friends, thanks to AU's kindness here, we don't have to sit around wondering what Rush Limbo talked about today!

ROFLMAO !!!

Rush isn't on today, genius.

Thanks for playing.

But this changes the facts of the story - how , exactly ?

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 12:36 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Rush isn't on today, genius.

He's NOT? Well, who exactly handed you your opinion on this matter then??

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 12:40 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Rush isn't on today, genius.

He's NOT? Well, who exactly handed you your opinion on this matter then??

The World. The FACTS. Current events. News... try it sometimes.

1KIKI

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 12:49 AM

Cite?

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 12:56 AM

Not that you , of all people, deserve a damn thing...

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/01/us/bergdahl-deserter-or-hero/index.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/mixed-reaction-t
o-bergdahls-recovery-by-service-members-who-consider-him-a-deserter/2014/06/01/3713e3ce-e9c5-11e3-b98c-72cef4a00499_story.html

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/05/31/military-online-r
eaction-mixed-to-bergdahl-release-/9819451/

http://michellemalkin.com/2014/05/31/flashback-a-reminder-about-bowe-b
ergdahls-desertion-problem/

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:02 AM

http://michellemalkin.com/2014/05/31/flashback-a-reminder-about-bowe-b
ergdahls-desertion-problem/

Ahhh, okay.

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:07 AM

Obama Administration proves once again that they are a bunch of clueless incompetents.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:08 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

http://michellemalkin.com/2014/05/31/flashback-a-reminder-about-bowe-b
ergdahls-desertion-problem/

Ahhh, okay.

Read as much as that as you listened to the Limbaugh show today, huh ?

Facts can be ever so much a burden , huh Chrissy ?

"
The circumstances of Bergdahl’s capture weren’t clear.

On July 2, two U.S. officials told the AP the soldier had “just walked off” his base with three Afghans after his shift. He had no body armor or weapon and they said they had no explanation for why he left. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case.

On July 6, the Taliban claimed on their Web site that five days earlier “a drunken American soldier had come out of his garrison” and was captured by mujahadeen.

In the video, Pfc. Bergdahl said he was lagging behind a patrol when he was captured.

Details of such incidents are routinely held very tightly by the military as it works to retrieve a missing or captured soldier without giving away any information to captors. "

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:16 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Read as much as that as you listened to the Limbaugh show today, huh ?

You are so pathetically lame. I hardly need to set you up. And that you *think* you got a good one off at me is icing on the cake.

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:21 AM

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So yeah, if this guy really did freely give intel

Under torture? Because none of your cites indicate that he "freely" gave intel or was a sympathizer whatsoever. Disagreeing with the US does NOT necessarily mean agreement with the enemy - maybe he lost a friend in combat and was frustrated by the chain of command seeming to get more people killed and maybe he was suffering PTSD and feeling disillusioned.

Your cites do indicate that he needs extensive psychological counseling for whatever he went through.

I agree the guy probably isn't a hero - either he got scared/upset, or he was just plain dumb, and based on what I'm hearing it sounds like it might have been both. But getting captured by the Taliban is not a picnic.

I'm all for hate, but I think you need to let go here. I'm getting the feeling this guy deserves our pity. Sounds like he's been through hell, and based on what I know about reintegration and the other psychological issues I can guess he might be carrying, I'd wager a guess that he's STILL in hell and that it's not going to get better.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:22 AM

Twice now I've pwned you in this thread. But I'm not gloating. Honest. It's not much of a challenge when I have to deal w/ such low information types as you and 1kiki.

That y'all are asking for cites and are seemingly unaware of ANYthing relating to this story, other than what the MSM is politely spoon feeding the country, as most are switching to Summer vacation mode, isn't a surprise.

Hey! World Cup starts in 10 Days!!

1KIKI

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:22 AM

See rappy, I was under the impression you were calling him a TRAITOR. Now, where did I get that from? Oh yeah, here it is

TRAITOR Bergdahl released.

Deserter I might have bought, if there were enough facts to support it. But TRAITOR? Unlike you who freely uses words you don't throughly understand, I looked up the definition:

TRAITOR
A person commits the crime of treason if he levies war against his state or country or sides to its enemies, giving them aid and comfort. Treason is a crime under federal and some state laws. Treason is made a high crime, punishable by death, under federal law by Article III, section 3 of the U.S. Constitution: "Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort."

Under this article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court. Treason requires overt acts such as giving sensitive government security secrets to other countries, even if such countries are not enemies. Treason can include spying on behalf of a foreign power or divulging military secrets.

So, once gain, you are wrong.

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:28 AM

Byte - Bowe walked off base, and went LOOKING for the Taliban. His father , at a press conference relayed a message to his son, in Pashto

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His father spoke some words to him in Pashto, the language spoken by most Afghans - and most of the Taliban.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2645810/Taliban-PoW-captive-lo
ng-forgot-speak-ENGLISH-parents-reveal-long-road-recovery.html#ixzz33Vl4MYkz
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So, dad speaks Pashto ? Isn't that interesting.

And no, the MSM aren't going to be beaming the news that , soon after Bowe was caught, the Taliban conducted very selective strikes on specific sites.

Prolly just dumb luck though, huh ?

ETA - 1kiki, I DID use that word , traitor, specifically for Bowe Bergdahl. Based on the info that's out there, he's exactly that, and should be treated as such.

Americans died looking for this pile of go-se, and THEY aren't coming home. Where in the FUCK is your god damn compassion for those families?

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:29 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

So, once gain, you are wrong.

Yeah, LOL, but he's under the impression he's *pwning* everyone here, snicker snicker.
Kit Kat.

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:30 AM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

... but I think you need to let go here.

That's good advice, but around here it's not likely.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:33 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by 1kiki:

So, once gain, you are wrong.

Yeah, LOL, but he's under the impression he's *pwning* everyone here, snicker snicker.
Kit Kat.

I'm completely pwning you Chris, and you know it. You're flat out wrong about everything in this thread so far. You're just to fucking stupid to admit it.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:36 AM

Byte - it's a hell entirely of his own making. So no,I'll not let it go. The gorram press ( well thankfully, not all ) wants to treat this guy as a POW, and he's absolutely NOTHING OF THE SORT.

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:36 AM

That article reads like his father spoke to him in Pashto AFTER the release - maybe suggesting his father has been told that his son forgot english and some translators tried to help him speak in a way his own son could understand.

You're making a lot of assumptions that his dad saying something to the son in Pashto - the language his son now understands - somehow indicates a prior sympathy with the Taliban, leading to your conclusion that he went looking for the Taliban.

Which is not something we can confirm at this time.

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:39 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Byte - it's a hell entirely of his own making. So no,I'll not let it go. The gorram press ( well thankfully, not all ) wants to treat this guy as a POW, and he's absolutely NOTHING OF THE SORT.

His choice to walk off the base? Sure. Whatever led to that choice? Not necessarily. Whatever happened to him in the Taliban's control? Not remotely.

He was US soldier and a prisoner of an enemy. However he got there, that makes him a POW.

Maybe not a hero. But a POW. And it sounds to me like he's suffered for it.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:40 AM

Byte - It's not MY conclusion that he went looking for the Taliban

UNDERSTAND THIS , PLEASE !!!

HIS OWN SOLDIERS WERE SAYING THAT HE DESERTED, RIGHT AFTER HE LEFT !!

( see posted story above )

The TALIBAN said they caught him after he left his garrison. His OWN SOLDIERS said the same thing ! HE claims he lagged behind on some patrol, but in reality , he just left his post!

It's not MY conclusion.

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:42 AM

Deserting and being captured is not the same as being a sympathizer AU.

You're saying he went looking for the Taliban, but nothing you've posted indicates that. Rather, it indicates that he intended to try to go over the mountains into China.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:44 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I'm completely pwning you Chris, and you know it.

Okay, let's examine your pwnfest.

Traitor? Available facts cannot conclusively determine this.
Dirtbag? This is not a fact but a judgement of his character based on limited information.
Hero? No one but you posited that; any celebration on his behalf is a homecoming one, not hero-related.
Peeps that died searching for him? Look to those that ordered & coordinated the failed searches. If you should ever lose YOUR mind (like, more than you have already) and walk out into nowhere would it be YOUR fault if someone got killed looking for YOU? Aren't you USUALLY consumed with personal responsibility? Legality? If he was insane on some level, you still wanna go there? Of course you do. Doggie with a bone.

Out of four points, 3 confirmed kills & one wounded.

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:45 AM

Buona fortuna Senor Quixote. Fight the windmills. You can't do anything about it. Congress ain't gonna do anything about it.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:46 AM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Byte - it's a hell entirely of his own making. So no,I'll not let it go. The gorram press ( well thankfully, not all ) wants to treat this guy as a POW, and he's absolutely NOTHING OF THE SORT.

His choice to walk off the base? Sure. Whatever led to that choice? Not necessarily. Whatever happened to him in the Taliban's control? Not remotely.

He was US soldier and a prisoner of an enemy. However he got there, that makes him a POW.

Maybe not a hero. But a POW. And it sounds to me like he's suffered for it.

Best case scenario - for him - is that he was astronomically naive. Even so, his own actions put other lives in danger, diverted manpower and focus on other missions, just because he felt a need to commune w/ the enemy.

Generally , these guys kill Americans first, and then ask questions. I assume they saw some value in this guy, and sure enough, at the very least, they got 5 of their top commanders out of Gitmo.

( Which Barry has reminded us, again, that he plans on closing. Just as soon as he figures out a way to be President enough to actually make that happen. )

My guess is that they got LOTS of intel from this guy. From his comments BEFORE he was captured, I doubt much of it was via torture. If any at all.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:50 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
From his comments BEFORE he was captured, I doubt much of it was via torture. If any at all.

Maybe they didn't torture him at all. Maybe they only waterboarded him...

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 2:20 AM

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just because he felt a need to commune w/ the enemy.

Again, you don't know that.

Nothing he's quoted saying, even the most anti-american and America is wrong parts of it, he doesn't then go on to say that he thinks the taliban is RIGHT.

We have to go on only what we know has been said, not speculation and jumping to conclusions.

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Best case scenario - for him - is that he was astronomically naive.

That's actually exactly the impression I'm getting.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 3:52 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
From his comments BEFORE he was captured, I doubt much of it was via torture. If any at all.
Maybe they didn't torture him at all. Maybe they only waterboarded him...

To them, that's called a BATH. So no, they probably didn't do that either.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 3:57 AM

PFC Matthew Michael Martinek
Staff Sgt. Kurt Robert Curtiss
SSG Clayton Bowen,
PFC Morris Walker
SSG Michael Murphrey
2LT Darryn Andrews

All died looking for this sorry sack of go-se, who decided to walk off his post, and go join up w/ the other side.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 4:15 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
All died looking for this sorry sack of go-se,

Regrettable losses, but if he was seen walking off, and the idea was that he deserted, why go look for him? Who's the genius that thought it was worth sending man after man to die in the process of retrieving a man that apparently left of his own free will?

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who decided to walk off his post, and go join up w/ the other side.

It seems he wanted NO side to me...
And before THIS comes up, here's a good comment on it:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/05/31/1303494/-GOP-Hero-Reagan-Gave
-Iran-1-500-Missiles-for-Hostages-Obama-Trades-Five-Guys-GOP-Heads-Explode?detail=email

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In 1985, while Iran and Iraq were at war, Iran made a secret request to buy weapons from the United States. McFarlane sought President Reagan's approval, in spite of the embargo against selling arms to Iran. McFarlane explained that the sale of arms would not only improve U.S. relations with Iran, but might in turn lead to improved relations with Lebanon, increasing U.S. influence in the troubled Middle East. Reagan was driven by a different obsession. He had become frustrated at his inability to secure the release of the seven American hostages being held by Iranian terrorists in Lebanon. As president, Reagan felt that "he had the duty to bring those Americans home."

The arms-for-hostages proposal divided the administration. Longtime policy adversaries Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger and Secretary of State George Shultz opposed the deal, but Reagan, McFarlane and CIA director William Casey supported it. With the backing of the president, the plan progressed. By the time the sales were discovered, more than 1,500 missiles had been shipped to Iran. Three hostages had been released, only to be replaced with three more, in what Secretary of State George Shultz called "a hostage bazaar."

So GOP lawmakers are apoplectic about Obama not giving Congress the 30-day notice required by law before transferring any detainee from Guantanamo Bay, men who have mostly been detained without charge?

But will raise President Reagan upon a pillar, a man who sold Iran over 1,500 missiles for the release of U.S. hostages?

I have one response: shut up and sit down. Class is in session.

WHOZIT

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 5:00 AM

Even CNN and MSNBC have this story as the headline on their websites, and even "Rollingstone mag is makling a big deal out of this...wow.

If Jon Stewart condems Barry it's over...all over.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 5:19 AM

What basically pisses me off is that when Presidents go and do what they want without 'proper authorization' straying into the illegal/immoral, they can be lauded for it. An individual deciding his world is full of shit & bailing becomes this 'traitor' thing. Peeps like Rappy have no real idea of anything they're talking about, no sense of history, balance or justice. It's all about 'THE ENEMY'. The enemy defines a weak man or boy. Left dolts as well. When it's all about victory for you & yours, it's also about loss for them & theirs.
See how that divide & conquer thing works so well?
So many peeps here should be fast friends, but we wind up being virtual enemies due to being herded into choices not of our own making. Politics is a religion. It's our real life, TODAY Matrix.
Praise Reagan, praise Obama, enter the Left OR Right jihad.

NO INDEPENDENT THOUGHT
THIS IS YOUR GOD
SLEEP

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 6:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
What basically pisses me off is that when Presidents go and do what they want without 'proper authorization' straying into the illegal/immoral, they can be lauded for it. An individual deciding his world is full of shit & bailing becomes this 'traitor' thing. Peeps like Rappy have no real idea of anything they're talking about, no sense of history, balance or justice. It's all about 'THE ENEMY'. The enemy defines a weak man or boy. Left dolts as well. When it's all about victory for you & yours, it's also about loss for them & theirs.
See how that divide & conquer thing works so well?
So many peeps here should be fast friends, but we wind up being virtual enemies due to being herded into choices not of our own making. Politics is a religion. It's our real life, TODAY Matrix.
Praise Reagan, praise Obama, enter the Left OR Right jihad.

NO INDEPENDENT THOUGHT
THIS IS YOUR GOD
SLEEP

What politics? It's core beliefs. That's all it is. It's instinctive, a primal force, needing no fearless leader to indoctrinate me into believing anything. The world I grew up in barely exists anymore, and I find that extremely sad. They say living well is the best revenge ... and they're right. I deny my family nothing, and that is my greatest joy.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:19 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
What politics? It's core beliefs.

Jongs, our core beliefs, yours and mine, are so basically similar that I feel like I may call you my brother. We differ in many small bits of minutia, however we find common ground in the disgust in our leadership, our common loss in the sell-out that is corporate finance & profit seeking. Baltar would find this a power playground, and 9-11 his Cylon-like reason for continued conflict & quest for control.

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The world I grew up in barely exists anymore, and I find that extremely sad.

Right there with you, bro. But we have to have faith in a Brave New World evolving. Ever changing is the future. Out of the ashes.... rebirth... eventually...

1KIKI

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:37 AM

Bergdahl disappeared on June 30, 2009. A Pentagon investigation concluded in 2010 that the evidence was "incontrovertible" that he walked away from his unit, said a former Pentagon official who has read it.

The military investigation was broader than a criminal inquiry, this official said, and it didn't formally accuse Bergdahl of desertion. In interviews as part of the probe, members of his unit portrayed him as a naive, "delusional" person who thought he could help the Afghan people by leaving his Army post, said the official, who was present for the interviews.

Disappearing from a military post in a war zone without authorization commonly results in one of two criminal charges in the Army: desertion or going absent without leave, or AWOL. Desertion is the more serious one, and usually arises in cases where an individual intends to remain away from the military or to “shirk important duty,” including a combat deployment such as Bergdahl’s.

In the early-morning hours of June 30th, according to soldiers in the unit, Bowe approached his team leader not long after he got off guard duty and asked his superior a simple question: If I were to leave the base, would it cause problems if I took my sensitive equipment?

Yes, his team leader responded – if you took your rifle and night-vision goggles, that would cause problems.

Bowe returned to his barracks, a roughly built bunker of plywood and sandbags. He gathered up water, a knife, his digital camera and his diary. Then he slipped off the outpost.

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:44 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
What politics? It's core beliefs.
Jongs, our core beliefs, yours and mine, are so basically similar that I feel like I may call you my brother. We differ in many small bits of minutia, however we find common ground in the disgust in our leadership, our common loss in the sell-out that is corporate finance & profit seeking. Baltar would find this a power playground, and 9-11 his Cylon-like reason for continued conflict & quest for control.
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The world I grew up in barely exists anymore, and I find that extremely sad.
Right there with you, bro. But we have to have faith in a Brave New World evolving. Ever changing is the future. Out of the ashes.... rebirth... eventually...

Jeeez, that's quite a reply. I don't know where it came from. But thanks for the sentiment and sincerity. As for this Brave New World you describe, I won't be around too long to live in it. My next phase is daytime naps, early bird dinners, and Skyping with my grandkids.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:51 AM

Fmr Soldier Who Served With Bergdahl: ‘He’s At Best a Deserter, And At Worst a Traitor’

Josh Korder: I could not go on if Bergdahl were hailed as a hero

BY: Washington Free Beacon Staff
June 2, 2014 5:06 pm

Former Army soldier Josh Korder who served with Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl shed light on the circumstances surrounding Bergdahl’s capture Monday on CNN.

Korder confirmed to host Jake Tapper Bergdahl began to express anti-American sentiments while in Afghanistan. The late Michael Hastings reported Bergdahl emailed his parents prior to his capture conveying disgust for the U.S. military and their mission in the country.

Tapper asked Korder about the soldiers who died in search of Bergdahl and if it “made him angry” Bergdahl is now free.

“In a way it really does. It’s very frustrating to me to turn on the TV and to see Bergdahl’s family on the TV being shown to everyone and then these soldiers, although they had very beautiful and extravagant ceremonies after they died, were pretty much only recognized in the local news, local newspapers. They were never nationally televised for their sacrifices in the way that he is and he pretty much voluntarily walked away and in turn caused the actions that killed them,” Korder said.

The former Army soldier added he understands Bergdahl may need time to reacclimatize after his time in captivity, but he believes “[Bergdahl] needs to be questioned and basically tried, if necessary.”

“For leaving the observation post and for deserting the unit?” Tapper asked.

“Yes,” Korder replied. “Any of us would have died for him while he was with us and then for him to just leave us like that, it was a very big betrayal.”

Korder also expressed some reservation the military may retaliate against him and other soldiers who signed a nondisclosure agreement to not discuss anything pertaining to Bergdahl and his possible desertion. However, he said he did not believe he could “continue to go on” if the public considered Bergdahl a hero and did not know the truth.

“He’s, at best, a deserter an at worst, a traitor,” Korder said.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/fmr-soldier-who-served-with-be
rgdahl-hes-at-best-a-deserter-at-worst-a-traitor/

1KIKI

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:59 AM

I read many stories on this. The sense I get is that a lot of men hated where they were and what they were doing, but stayed out of loyalty to the soldiers they served with. They feel a very PERSONAL betrayal.

You're too young to remember Vietnam but it was the same dynamic. Which probably means it's a shitty pointless war. THANKS! GWB for putting us there! And THANKS! Obama for keeping us there!

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 9:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I don't know where it came from.

Your many posts where you called bullshit on either side of the aisle. Like I said, we may disagree in the details, but the picture as a whole is painfully clear.
You are Starbuck to my Apollo, I guess.

Rap is Baltar. HAHAHAHAHA!

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 9:04 AM

No thanks for al Qaeda for murdering 3,000 Americans ? Or the Taliban for giving bin Laden aid and comfort ?

C'mon 1kiki... let's not be excluding people. That'd be rude!

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 9:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:

Rap is Baltar. HAHAHAHAHA!

I'm Adama, and you know it.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 9:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
THANKS! GWB for putting us there! And THANKS! Obama for keeping us there!

Both need a world class bitch-slap IMO.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 9:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'm Adama, and you know it.

Maybe from 'Galactica 1980'....

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 9:14 AM

Sorry, try again. This has been debunked. Once again, you are demonstrably in error... yadda yadda.

Thanks.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 9:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

... yadda yadda.

Thanks.

Talk to the Zee.

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 9:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I don't know where it came from.
Your many posts where you called bullshit on either side of the aisle. Like I said, we may disagree in the details, but the picture as a whole is painfully clear.
You are Starbuck to my Apollo,, I guess.

Well that makes you quite perceptive. I'll fly with you any time. (But tell me again why I can't ever press the IM button?)

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 9:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
(But tell me again why I can't ever press the IM button?)

Press it, just don't have anyone right on your tail.

SHINYGOODGUY

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 2:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Abandoned his post, in the middle of the night, and gets " caught " by the Taliban .

Complete dirtbag is now being praised as some sort of hero.

He ain't.

How many aren't coming home because they died while looking for this coward ?

Is that the official story then. And the facts have been thoroughly investigated to determine that this soldier, held captive for 5 years, abandoned his post and betrayed his country. Was this the official position of the Army?

So those 5 years of torturous existence wasn't punishment enough for his alleged traitorous act? So now he should be subjected to a trial? Or did that happen already and I missed it? Here in this country there is such a thing as due process, remember that. I mean, we had a cowardly act performed right here in our country when an unarmed teenager was shot dead in cold blood, and that "American" (after much protest) was tried in a court of law.

Could someone explain to me how the rights of this American disappear?
Somehow that just doesn't seem American, to just label this man a coward and a traitor without an investigation and trial. Hell, we give more rights to criminal behavior than we do to someone with the balls to go over there in get in harm's way.

Strange days indeed!

SGG

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 4:02 PM

How is it against anyone's " rights " to call them a deserter and traitor ?

Explain which 'rights' of Bowe have been denied him, and by whom.

This was nothing but a gorram photo op for an administration that's had a shite week on the PR dept.( VA scandal )

Oh, & Obama did this illegally. SOS .

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Oh, & Obama did this illegally. SOS .

There's two possible things you could mean by this.

Ted Cruz said it's "illegal" for the president and state department to "negotiate with terrorists." Which is incorrect. It's a violation of common sense, but there's been no legislation about that, and as such it's not illegal.

The other possibility is you're referring to a 30-day notice to congress about releasing Gitmo prisoners, which was supposedly ignored due to health concerns for the sergeant. There is legal controversy over this particular requirement. And since pretty much everyone hates red tape and bureaucracy, you'd probably be better focusing on the nature of the released detainees.

It's obvious you're trying to build an impeachment case, but impeachment requires a high crime or misdemeanor. The "crime" in question here would be the statutory violation of this notice requirement, not the transfer of prisoners itself, which is what I've heard people arguing constitutes a high crime against the nation but which is legal. Part of any president's war powers is that they are able to negotiate prisoner transfers.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:35 PM

The 30 day notice, which Obama signed himself!!!

It's a non debatable matter - he broke the law. Period.

The bs about Bergdahl's health is just PR spin. This admin needed yet another diversion to move the VA scandal off the front page. And it's backfiring.

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
The 30 day notice, which Obama signed himself!!!

It's a non debatable matter - he broke the law. Period.

Uh no. Not period. As I said, there's lots of legal question and controversy about that particular requirement.

And it still stands that's really not a sufficient violation to bring up impeachment charges. Though I have no doubt you and your ilk will try. I'd even wish you luck. Obama Sucks.

Quote:
The bs about Bergdahl's health is just PR spin. This admin needed yet another diversion to move the VA scandal off the front page. And it's backfiring.

Well, that's true.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:59 PM

Yes, " period ", he broke the law. End of discussion.

And I'm not the one who brought up impeachment. That was you.

The House GOP are too chicken shite to try, & about the ony way Harry Reid would let the Senate follow through is if Obama was running a meth lab/ child sex den in the White House.

And even then, " maybe ".

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 9:25 PM

Quote:
Yes, " period ", he broke the law. End of discussion.

We'll see what the courts decide, it's sounding like this is going to be the incentive for some of the courts to test whether that requirement was constitutional or not.

The law isn't a hard and fast thing, and it's always changing, as you know. Frankly, I get the sense that most of this is Washington politics and one side testing the limits of the other side. I'm not sure ignoring that statute is really a "crime" in the sense that it affects anyone. Certainly it's nowhere near embezzlement or laundering money or gun running or wiretapping or other debacles this administration is responsible for.

Quote:
And I'm not the one who brought up impeachment. That was you.

Well, no, lots of other people in different places than this board brought up impeachment, and considering the direction of your argument was somewhat parallel, I thought that's where you were going as well.

If I was mistaken I apologize. I suppose I should actually allow people to make the arguments they are intending to make instead of anticipating those arguments and making them for them.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 9:46 PM

The law is pretty specific. And Obama himself signed this law.

Obama making a signing statement isn't the same as him changing the law. Though he prolly thinks it is.

* again, not just MY opinion.

CNN Legal Analyst Calls Out Obama on the Air: ‘You’re Accusing the President of the United States of Breaking the Law’

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/02/cnn-legal-analyst-calls-out
-obama-on-the-air-youre-accusing-the-president-of-the-united-states-of-breaking-the-law/

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 9:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

.. about the ony way Harry Reid would let the Senate follow through is if Obama was running a meth lab/ child sex den in the White House.

And even then, " maybe ".

Nah, Reid still would never do it. But fortunately, his days as Majority Leader are numbered.

Yesterday's White House spectacle was such a disgrace as I've never seen in my life. Clueless cocksucker President parades out the anti-American Taliban sympathizer father who wouldn't shave his Taliban solidarity beard even for a trip to the White House. Then the piece of shit father praises Allah and thanks the Taliban in front of the Commander In Sheep's clothing.

And for the rest of the day the Obama ball-powdering loyal lackeys Susan Rice, Jay Carney, and Chuck Hagel are on tv explaining how this was NOT negotiating with terrorists. They kept saying how it's America's policy to bring home our POWs. But they never addressed WHO and HOW MANY they traded for this dumb asshole deserter. Who knows what the Taliban demanded for his release, but whatever it was, Obama decided to give up 5 top Taliban commanders who've committed mass genocide instead. Maybe they wanted Beyonce.

Also ... where were the parents of all those that died trying to find this deserter, and where were the parents of those that died capturing these Taliban leaders? I wonder how they feel today. I wonder why they didn't get invited to the Rose Garden.

Obama has now given great aid and comfort to our military enemy during a war. What is that the definition of again? Oh, that's right ... TREASON.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 10:56 PM

Oh my

Rob Lowe on Obama Negotiating With Terrorists: ‘Sadly, I Smell A Fish’

http://www.tpnn.com/2014/06/03/rob-lowe-on-obama-negotiating-with-terr
orists-sadly-i-smell-a-fish/

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 11:03 PM

Huhh... There actually really is only one side of the media pursuing the Bismallah ir whatever thing.

Which means either the others are sweeping it under the rug, or there's been some clever video-editing going on. Not sure which right now.

It's also possible that he just used the phrase for diplomatic reasons, or for the benefit of his son who no longer speaks English. The meaning of the phrase is supposedly just a thank you to God which in English wouldn't be abnormal in a Christian setting.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 11:20 PM

Idk what ya mean Byte. Even Chris Matthews @ msnbc is cross with Barry

Oh, nvrmnd . You were talkin about the dad's comments ?

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 11:33 PM

Quote:
Oh, nvrmnd . You were talkin about the dad's comments ?

Yep. Still not entirely sure that any of them are pro-Taliban. Like the dad is a Calvinist, supposedly that's the reason for the beard.

There are still alternate explanations. There is enough here that I'm beginning to wonder, but not enough to say who is right.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 3, 2014 11:51 PM

"Sir, Bergdahl just walked off muttering stuff about not coming back..."
"Ah well, we saw this coming, I guess."
"Should we send some teams out to look for him, sir?"
"What? And risk lives for that chump? Fuck 'im."

So, tell me again why it didn't go down like THAT?

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:13 AM

Chris - why wonder about what might/could have happened instead of what literally DID ?

Imagination & fiction are fun, but I wonder about folks who fail to fully process reality before traipsing off into story book land.

Try collating data first, mmkay?

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Chris - why wonder about what might/could have happened instead of

Okay, so once again you're too fucking stupid to answer my question.
Maybe someone else can.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:39 AM

And now you're getting angry over your inability or unwillingness to learn the facts...
Sorry I upset you.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
And now you're getting angry over your inability or unwillingness to learn the facts...

No, I see a response so I think it's someone answering my question or makin' a new comment & it's just YOU playing with yourself again. You don't seem to even be aware there WAS a question in my post. Dolt.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 1:19 AM

I try not to answer inane questions.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 1:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I try not to answer inane questions.

Oh then, please point out to my precisely *WHAT* about my question was inane.
But you can't/wont. Either you can't identify the question, or you now realize that answering will make you look like a dope again.

So, anyone else care to 'clue' me in?

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 1:48 AM

Because duty & honor don't allow us to abandon one of our own, even when they desert.

Not that you'd understand .

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 2:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Because duty & honor don't allow us to abandon one of our own, even when they desert.

So, in your opinion he's an evil dirtbag, but worth losing a few good men to try & find. Huh.
And here I thought that it may be that deserters needed to be brought back for disciplinary action. But he was promoted in absentia... why was he promoted if everyone thought he'd deserted?
This whole thing makes no sense.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 4:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Because duty & honor don't allow us to abandon one of our own, even when they desert.
So, in your opinion he's an evil dirtbag, but worth losing a few good men to try & find. Huh.

Not MY opinion, but it seems to be the code of the military. Go figure.

Quote:

And here I thought that it may be that deserters needed to be brought back for disciplinary action. But he was promoted in absentia... why was he promoted if everyone thought he'd deserted?
This whole thing makes no sense.

That does seem odd. He clearly deserted his post, and yet Susan Rice , unbelievably, claimed this POS served with honor and dignity. See how this works ? If you make PFC Bergdahl look good, give him a promotion, then you can hold him up as a gorram hero. Even when he's not. The WH has been pushing for this , against the wishes of BOTH PARTIES in Congress, for up to 3 years.

( Gee, amazing timing for all this though, what with the VA scandal, high level resignations and all, don't ya think ? )

This is all about the puppet theatre and hoisting a fabricated story onto a somnambulant public.

Most aren't taking kindly to the charade.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 4:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Oh my

Rob Lowe on Obama Negotiating With Terrorists: ‘Sadly, I Smell A Fish’

http://www.tpnn.com/2014/06/03/rob-lowe-on-obama-negotiating-with-terr
orists-sadly-i-smell-a-fish/

Wow, that is really nothing.

Actually, it's quite a big deal.

Quote:

I have not done a lot of reading on this...

Yeah, I kinda gathered .

Quote:

I understand not leaving a guy behind, but this is way over the top of that. How long do we search for civilians? When do you stop saying, "those guys sure are dedicated to each other," and start saying, "that was reckless and unnecessary endangerment of our forces for one lone soldier." Do you think Obama gave those orders or the local military?

Kinda like all that man power, time and effort wasted looking for some Malaysian airliner, huh?

And by the " local " military, I assume you mean the US forces on the ground. I suspect the latter, as that's kinda what they do.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 4:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
This is all about the puppet theatre and hoisting a fabricated story onto a somnambulant public.

This I can agree to.
Candidly, it sounds like he went a little kooky & bailed not even THINKING he might be captured by the Taliban. And his father? Just weird, I'm thinking Mel Gibson's Dad here. So, Obama got a messed-up kid home, THAT should be the story IMO. And fucking take that promotion off his record. That's just nonsense.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 4:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Kinda like all that man power, time and effort wasted looking for some Malaysian airliner, huh?

That's a rather disingenuous comparison, isn't it? Who died looking for that plane?

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 4:57 AM

Soldiers who were in his unit or have been there actually have said such feelings of disillusion aren't unheard of. But that's kinda part of the military life, one which they ALL freely signed up for,even if they may not have fully understood what it may mean.

In such cases, some say screw the mission, screw the C.O., screw all that rah-rah crap that may have been what brought them there, but at the very least, you're in it for the guys around you. You watch their back, they watch yours, and everyone comes home.

Bergdahl said 'screw you' to his own mates, as well as screw America. he's not even worth a head slap by the great General Patton.

If he's not dishonorably discharged, at the very least, it could get ugly.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 5:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Kinda like all that man power, time and effort wasted looking for some Malaysian airliner, huh?
That's a rather disingenuous comparison, isn't it? Who died looking for that plane?

Dunno. Who died while men and machines were out looking in the vast emptiness of the ocean , on a wild goose chase, when those resources could have been used otherwise ?

I thought the original question was absurd, and showed a vast disconnect from the reality of what our military, any military would do, in a similar situation.

Leave no man behind. It's sorta been a not so secret motto for a while now. I guess it actually still means something.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 5:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Leave no man behind. It's sorta been a not so secret motto for a while now. I guess it actually still means something.

Well, leave no EVIL man behind, anyway. And he wasn't evil, just messed up...

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 5:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

If he's not dishonorably discharged, at the very least, it could get ugly.

I actually think that's pretty fair. People make mistakes where other people die all the time, and this doesn't seem like he premeditated his squadmates dying.

He wanted out of the military and the military was displeased by his quality of service. Dishonorable discharge makes sense to me and works for everyone.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 5:40 AM

Suddenly, this RWED thread is too full of civility & respectful agreement.
I'm outta here.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:12 AM

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:25 AM

And I'm back.
This is the Clinton sex scandal all over again. Obama doesn't have the guts to admit what he did and that it was breaking a law. If he just said, "I did it, so what? I rescued a POW. Show me a President that never broke a 'law'. Ronald Reagan, anyone?" at least he'd be honest and bold about it.

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 2:21 PM

What with all the howling, some points to make...

Yanno, the reason prisoners are taken and exchanged has nothing to do with morality, it has to do with encouraging the other guys to do so, cause if we stop.. or say, start grabbing random guys and TORTURING them, and stuff....
Just sayin.

As for walking out on a command structure you feel has betrayed you, yeah, let's talk about that... LETS....
See, once upon a long goddamn time ago, some of the folk I worked for got orders to directly support the motherfucking Contras, and some of those folk, being disposable type grunts of dubious political loyalties who knew a little too much about what was really going on (and fuck YOU, LTC North!) were pushed into a little more direct action than we believed should be taken.

And we walked.

Of course, given the nature of that particular fiasco *at the time* (was considered a "conspiracy theory" till it all came out for real) they couldn't very well fry those guys without revealing what was going on, and they couldn't even have em whacked, cause those WERE the guys what did the whacking... so they just pretended it never happened, and put the lot of them on inactive reserve... for all eternity.

Loyalty is a chain that goes in TWO directions, and since there hasn't been ANY coming back down for a long, long time, don't expect me to get any kind of upset when some poor fucked grunt realizes how screwed he is and the shit sandwich which is gonna be his future and says "Fuck This Noise".
Hell, if ENOUGH of em did that we wouldn't be in this mess in the first damn place.

And if you wanna scrub it all right down to the nitty gritty, the orders he was under were illegal in the first fucking place, which means under the UCMJ, if you wanted to get all particular - he ain't the one in the wrong.

Think about THAT, for a lil bit of time, will you ?

-Frem

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 3:59 PM

Love the lunatics who come out of the wood work to some how defend their dear leader by justifying this because of alleged past wrongs.

Shows a basic inability for some to process reality.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 5:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Love the lunatics who come out of the wood work to some how defend their dear leader

Once again your filters limit your intelligence here and you fucking don't understand a thing you're reading or commenting on, but what the fuck else is new? All we ever get from you is broad sweeping strokes about "OUR" messiah, but the fact that he's NO ONE's hero here, and in fact most peeps here are fairly upset with him just doesn't compute for you, because it takes the teeth out of your anti-Muslim/Obama tirades, and since that's all you presently LIVE for, you become blind to the actual meaning of anything being said here, and just fall back on your same old comfortable and irrelevant bullshit.
The last couple of posts don't concern 'defending' Barry in any way, yet you NEED to see a connection of some kind.
To survive.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 5:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
And if you wanna scrub it all right down to the nitty gritty, the orders he was under were illegal in the first fucking place, which means under the UCMJ, if you wanted to get all particular - he ain't the one in the wrong.

Think about THAT, for a lil bit of time, will you ?

Frem, I appreciate you comments and your personal story here. To people stuck in ignorance without a sense of history or an actual awareness of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, your entire post is merely some kind of coded gibberish, but then you already know this.
Carry on, my man!

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 6:28 PM

To the contrary G, . Lowe, though maybe not part of the screaming far-Left in Hollywood, still isn't going to be confused as a GOP hack. That he's taking such a public stand on this matter is telling.

Too little, too much .. If that's the sum if your understanding of what is taking place in the world, then you're more ignorant than I had thought.

Wasting time with the uninformed isn't happening . Aloha.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 6:33 PM

Another blurry, nebulous post, brimming with faux-superiority and revealing nothing of any informational value. Your track record is safe, AU.

1KIKI

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 7:59 PM

LOL!
First laugh of the day! It's always good to start out with a smile. THANKS!

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 7:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
The idea of Hillary in the WH (place your obvious jokes here) and having to watch 8 more years of this same kind of mindless attack obsession that puts the parties and country in a mutual headlock, is almost too much to bear.

Don't worry, I don't think the next Prez will be a Dum, it will almost certainly be a Pug.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Another blurry, nebulous post, brimming with faux-superiority and revealing nothing of any informational value. Your track record is safe, AU.

Pretty clear, Chris . And nothing faux about the facts , genius.
You can't deny, dispute or defend , so you prattle on with humorless noise.

Thanks, but not interested.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You can't deny, dispute or defend , so you prattle on with humorless noise.

Deny, dispute or defend WHAT? If you post shit all I can do is notice its stench.

Quote:
Rapcrap
Love the lunatics who come out of the wood work to some how defend their dear leader by justifying this because of alleged past wrongs.

Shows a basic inability for some to process reality.
To the contrary G, . Lowe, though maybe not part of the screaming far-Left in Hollywood, still isn't going to be confused as a GOP hack. That he's taking such a public stand on this matter is telling.

Too little, too much .. If that's the sum if your understanding of what is taking place in the world, then you're more ignorant than I had thought.

Wasting time with the uninformed isn't happening . Aloha.

Where in this self-serving mess is there anything to respond intelligently to?

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:42 PM

You're intentionally trying to distract away from the primary topic. Troll.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:34 PM

It's just Obama. He broke the law. He alone . Didn't even bother to consult Dianne Feinstein, head of the Senate intel committee.

http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/feinstein-congress-should-have-been-consu
lted-on-bergdahl-exchange-1401832005?mobile=y

This is anything but " another " partisan squabble . Pathetic are those who try to see it as such.

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