Serenity VS. Star Wars Ep. III??

POSTED BY: arcbeatle
UPDATED: Monday, July 12, 2004 02:42
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ARCBEATLE

Saturday, April 10, 2004 1:56 PM

acording too the approximate release date of Serenity, and the release date of the last star wars movie, Wont serenity be coming out just a week or two before StarWars?? There are two ways to take this:

1.Serenity will catch the Market, and get the starwars audiance ahead of time, cutting into star wars's gross

2. Serenity wont take in much money, as many people will be waiting for their long awaited Ep. III, going with the old favorite instead of the new guy.

Comments? Questions?

DUKE

Saturday, April 10, 2004 2:00 PM

I dunno. Personally, I am so turned off from Eps I & II, that I just might not go see Ep III at all.

I am hopeful that reveiews and word of mouth on Serenity will be so good that the casual movie-goer will chose it over Ep III. Or alternatly, again given good reviews & WOM, the rabid SW fanboys will go see Serenity instead of taking in a 2nd or 3rd viewing of SW.

"I'll be in my bunk..."

EMBERS

Saturday, April 10, 2004 2:02 PM

well personally I won't be standing in line for episode III of Star Wars! I was disappointed w/episode I, but episode II was a complete rip-off, I felt I should have had my money back...

so no way am I thinking of throwing good money after bad by bothering to see Star Wars III in any theater (and I don't think I'm alone in my disgust, I don't think he'll make the first week $ on this one that he has in the past).

In fact I think there should be an online campaign to get people to go to Serenity instead!

Make it clear that we actually want good writing and developed characters, and jokes that are funny!

ARCBEATLE

Saturday, April 10, 2004 2:07 PM

Thats A cool idea, any one with even jsut a half-hump of skill at web desighn willing to help? I can see it now:

www.replace-SW.com hehe, sorry, imagination working.

I dunno, a website persauding ppl t give serenity a chance would be awesome, I have no webdesighn skills so aw well...

People only beleive somehting if it's in a movie.

ARCBEATLE

Saturday, April 10, 2004 2:08 PM

Note that the above post dosent actually have a link! I didnt expect it to do that

People only beleive somehting if it's in a movie

AURAPTOR

Saturday, April 10, 2004 3:31 PM

Reality check here. While SW eps 1 and 2 were large disapointments, one can't escape the fact that SW is still ingrained w/in an entire generation. When those of us over 30 hear 'Star Wars', most instinctivly harken back to the 1st movie.... a disillusioned kid from the farm named Luke, a beautiful princess, a swashbuckling smuggler with his "walking carpet" side kick, some mysterious old hermit who lives in the hills, Darth Vader, the Death Star and something called The Force. As bad as these latest installments by Lucas may be, we'll always have that thrill and wonder that made the original movie.

However.... IF Joss and Co. come together and put out a damn good movie, and IF it is actually MARKETED well enough so folks will hear about it... Serenity will could easily make some of its own damn noise, when SW once again fails to live up the self generated and undeserved hype.

and oh,btw... YOU! Fox TV.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. Worked that out myself. "

SUCCATASH

Saturday, April 10, 2004 4:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by arcbeatle:
acording too the approximate release date of Serenity...

Where did you hear Serenity's release date announced?

THATWEIRDGIRL

Saturday, April 10, 2004 5:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by arcbeatle:
Thats A cool idea, any one with even jsut a half-hump of skill at web desighn willing to help? I can see it now:

www.replace-SW.com hehe, sorry, imagination working.

I dunno, a website persauding ppl t give serenity a chance would be awesome, I have no webdesighn skills so aw well...

People only beleive somehting if it's in a movie.

I'd be glad to help with this. Did a quick search of domains:
serenitytakesforce.com is available.
fighthegorramforce.com is available.
bigdamnmovie.com is available.
lucasvswhedon.com is available.
episodethreevsserenity.com is available.
resisthedarkside.com is available.
fightheforce.com is available.
Any other ideas?

www.thatweirdgirl.com

ASTRIANA

Saturday, April 10, 2004 5:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Duke:
I dunno. Personally, I am so turned off from Eps I & II, that I just might not go see Ep III at all.

I am hopeful that reveiews and word of mouth on Serenity will be so good that the casual movie-goer will chose it over Ep III. Or alternatly, again given good reviews & WOM, the rabid SW fanboys will go see Serenity instead of taking in a 2nd or 3rd viewing of SW.

Here's my take... I'm a rabid fangirl of the SW story - and I was horribly disappointed in Ep II. I will go see Ep III in the theater when it comes, but more for tradition's sake and a sense of closure than for any real desire to see Lucas muck it up again. (What in the tien xiaode was he thinking with Ep II?? I mean, really!)

I will also see Serenity - probably in full costume, with a large group of browncoats - MULTIPLE TIMES when it hits the theaters.

If Lucas bothers to get off his pigu and do something notable with Ep III, great; I may decide to see it a second time - only AFTER I've seen Serenity at least 4 or 5 times...

~A~

...I'm still free,
You can't take the sky from me.

TALONPEST

Saturday, April 10, 2004 5:58 PM

Considering that Firefly appeals so well to 95% of Star Wars fans (hell, Mal's a very Han Solo-esque character) I think that if they make sure that Serenity doesn't come out within a month of Episode III (they'd be crazy to release it in May), they will steal a lot of Star Wars' thunder.

SHADESIREN

Saturday, April 10, 2004 6:03 PM

My hubby suggests...

browncoatsvsbrownrobes.com

I think Ep 3 is going to do incredibly well - look at the first three movies - ESB didn't do so well, but RotJ did awesome. PLUS, three sets up New Hope - and I know that's the reason *I* want to see it.

Everyone wants to see the 'birth' of Darth Vader, so it will do really well.

I'm going to first in line for Serenity, tho, and I'm dragging everyone I can along with me.

I might be looking forward to seeing Ep 3, but it's nothing like how bad I wanna see Serenity.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, April 10, 2004 6:06 PM

bigdamnmovie.com now I like that one ! Of course, it loses its meaning to folks not familar w/ Firefly. What we need to do is attract NEW folk.

Episode3vsSerenity.com isn't bad ( thoguht 'three' needed shortening to '3' )

How about....
AlliancevsEmpire.com

WatchOURmoviefirst.com

FireflynotJedi.com

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. Worked that out myself. "

SUCCATASH

Saturday, April 10, 2004 7:01 PM

I can't wait to see Star Wars. I'm not expecting an Oscar winner, just some good lightsaber action.

LTNOWIS

Saturday, April 10, 2004 8:36 PM

Tash, that's just weird!

I'm with the "Let's see Star Wars, not expecting greatness" crowd. It certainly shouldn't get worse.

THEFOP

Saturday, April 10, 2004 9:33 PM

I've been devoting the past few years of my life to trying to forget about Eps 1 & 2. I won't go to see three. The whole Yoda fighting thing kind of tipped the scale. "Yoda's fighting...that's so cool!! Wait, why am I tolerating this abuse of my childhood?" (with apologies to the Abriged Script people). I remmember as a little kid seeing the original movies. I took in Jabba the Hut and all that on my parent's knees. Literally.

I imagine there'll probably be alot of people thinking the same thing as I. Firefly is like a breath of fresh air, with all the crap that's been produced lately (trying to forget the ending of Matrix Revolutions. And the middle. and the beggining. )

once the snow got so deep you almost couldn't hear margaret atwood

FREMDFIRMA

Saturday, April 10, 2004 10:09 PM

Firefly vs Episode III (the clone bores...Zzzz)??

Godzilla vs Bambi.

Nuff said.

-frem
diefuxdie

ZOID

Saturday, April 10, 2004 10:13 PM

This is a cross-post of mine, from a different thread, written a couple of days ago, but it seemed appropriate for this topic. Sorry, if it's rehash to anyone...

Prediction:

Firefly: Serenity will be a top-ten grosser for the year 2005.

Why? Because "Star Wars III: The Inevitable Conclusion" will bomb. Remember -- those of you old enough to remember the first trilogy of the SW saga -- that Anakin becomes Darth, the universe is plunged into the utter darkness of evil, the Jedi are destroyed ("You are the last of that dead religion, Lord Vader", cough,cough, choke), Amidala dies/runs for her life with her twins Luke and Leia because of Darth, etc. Total downer ending for the franchise.

The next factor: In addition to the growth of the civilian fanbase of Firefly through DVD sales, proselytization by fans (me included), and the efforts of sites like FFFn (good job Haken!), our military men and women have found a resonance in Firefly's story and characters and will be at theaters in droves. It'll be a love-fest between Browncoats and our heros of American freedom.

So, between the spillover of those disappointed by the stilted dialogue, wooden acting and utterly depressing conclusion of Star Wars wanting to see thrilling, thoughtful, and witty sci-fi, and the turnout of Firefly Faithful and their beloved American heros, I think we'll get boffo box.

(Snip)

That's my prediction, and you can throw it up to me anytime you like. Anybody who disagrees, just let me say, "I find you're lack of faith... Disturbing".

Respectfully,

zoid
_________________________________________________

"River didn't fix faith. Faith fixed River."

- Senator Richard 'Book' Wilkins, Independent Congress
author of A Child Shall Lead Them: A History of the Second War of Independence

ZOID

Saturday, April 10, 2004 10:24 PM

Umm, as an afterthought, how is Lucas going to explain the transformation of the whiny, pimply, angst-ridden Hayden Christensen into the spine-chilling Darth/James Earl Jones? (voice only, I know, so don't start) Is he going to get a testosterone injection? Acting lessons? A spine?

I mean Darth was probably the most menacing villian of recent film history. Christensen comes across as a petty vandal or shoplifter, at best. I'm sooo scared!

Respectfully,

zoid
_________________________________________________

"River didn't fix faith. Faith fixed River."

- Senator Richard 'Book' Wilkins, Independent Congress
author of A Child Shall Lead Them: A History of the Second War of Independence

EMBERS

Saturday, April 10, 2004 10:51 PM

yeah, I think an artificial spine comes standard with the head sized helmet and voice alteration kit....

That was the problem with this whole prequel story arc...we knew exactly what was going to happen and Lucas just isn't a good enough writer to throw in any curves and surprises (Lawrence Kasden did the screen plays for those first ones that were so brilliant). Fact is Lucas needs to hire Whedon as a script doctor....

oops! he is BUSY WRITING SERENITY!

THUNDAR

Saturday, April 10, 2004 11:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:

Umm, as an afterthought, how is Lucas going to explain the transformation of the whiny, pimply, angst-ridden Hayden Christensen into the spine-chilling Darth/James Earl Jones? (voice only, I know, so don't start) Is he going to get a testosterone injection? Acting lessons? A spine?

For the NASCAR fans amonst us, that's like Jeff Gordon becoming Dale Earnhardt.

ZOID

Sunday, April 11, 2004 12:28 AM

Thundar wrote:

Quote:
For the NASCAR fans amonst us, that's like Jeff Gordon becoming Dale Earnhardt.

Very apt analogy.

I have a mental picture of myself standing in line to see "Serenity", right beside a poster for "Star Wars III: The (sudden but) Inevitable Betrayal", which features 6'1" skinny streak-of-piss Christensen with the original 6'7" David Prowse costume hanging on him like daddy's britches on an 8-year old...

It's too rich...

Respectfully,

zoid
_________________________________________________

"River didn't fix faith. Faith fixed River."

- Senator Richard 'Book' Wilkins, Independent Congress
author of A Child Shall Lead Them: A History of the Second War of Independence

ARCBEATLE

Sunday, April 11, 2004 12:49 AM

I'm afraid there is very little star wars left at all thats good, I had a great hope that EU (the books an sutch would continue witht he same quality as before, but unfortunatly, George Lucas wanted the authors to do a little thing that mesed that up permenentally called "Yuzzun Vong" Alas, It was some time ago I had any fun adventures to read or watch, (ive turned to searching out old copies of the good old classic star wars books that made EU so much better than the movies, like Galaxy of fear, I Jedi, the Jedi academy stuff, young Jedi, Heck even the books based off the first too movies are wonderfull. But the Yuzzun Vong, Its just so Corny... predictable, trading good plots and character development for lots of gore and unplesentness, and when readers get bored, Kill one of their favorite characters! unfortunatly, that menas they have to kill a fan favorite EVERY BOOK!!

sorry, had to rant

People only beleive somehting if it's in a movie

GEORDIESTEVE2003

Sunday, April 11, 2004 9:59 AM

I too was really looking forward to new star wars films and am old enough to remember first three films when they came out the first time. Back then he had none of the money, and limited special effects made from what he could, and they were basically legendary. Now he's got all the money, all the special effects, and terrible terrible films overall. Yes they look good, have some awesome moments, but that doesnt make whole films good. I wont be queueing either to see Ep III, will go to see it on big screen for size and sound of it, but not in a rush.

I hope Serenity does really well and I suspect with the rabid fans, myself included, it will do good money at box office.

MUTT999

Sunday, April 11, 2004 12:43 PM

No doubt "Serenity" will make alot of money. Loyal Browncoats going many times to see it, and newbies going because of the excellent word of mouth.

My only fear:

The over use of CG,digital,etc that killed the Star Wars saga.

I hope they can keep the perfect balance of FX and "realness" the tv series had.

'nuff ranting.

"That's the buffet table....."

ARAWAEN

Sunday, April 11, 2004 2:16 PM

From what I have seen about Ep. III with Lucasfilm focusing on set & prop design, costumes, and all other visuals before even having started the script, I think it is clear that we will have another eye-candy picture with no substance. Which is truly a shame given how good the original trilogy was.

Arawaen

Um, I'm lost. Uh, I'm Angry. And I'm Armed.

THEFOP

Sunday, April 11, 2004 2:43 PM

This came to me in a vision, you might say. I was thinking to myself last night "How's this Christeonsen kid going to get the whole Darth Vader voice going?" and then it struck me; there has to be some kind of sith power he uses. I can see it all now.

Pamde: Obi Wan, I was talking to Anakin this morning and suddenly his voice has become very deep
Obi Wan: OH Hell, he's using Sith powers.
Padme: Really?
Obi Wan: Yes, he's clearly used the dark side of the force to make his testes drop.

Yoda: OOHHH, forcing puberty he is. Not good is this. Take lightsaber up I must
Fop: *Leaves Theatre*

once the snow got so deep you almost couldn't hear margaret atwood

JARED

Sunday, April 11, 2004 3:09 PM

i wouldnt worry about ep3.. after all the info and spoilers etc. at theforce.net i can imagine how it will look like. fights, battles, action, some more fights and maybe a little fight in between. all you here them saying is "ohh, and wait for THAT fight, its awesome" "boy, we are making such a great battle sequence" "you wont believe seeing x fight y", yadda yadda... they claim 60-70% of the movie will be fights and action. must be a pretty long movie, all the fights they describe might be hard to squeeze into a 2 hour movie. and if you dont mind spoiler but really want to cry about your raped childhood memories, search the net for grievous or watch clone wars ep 20 *sigh* (ok, ANY clone wars ep will make you cringe, but..)

DESANGRO

Sunday, April 11, 2004 8:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Reality check here. While SW eps 1 and 2 were large disapointments, one can't escape the fact that SW is still ingrained w/in an entire generation. When those of us over 30 hear 'Star Wars', most instinctivly harken back to the 1st movie.... a disillusioned kid from the farm named Luke, a beautiful princess, a swashbuckling smuggler with his "walking carpet" side kick, some mysterious old hermit who lives in the hills, Darth Vader, the Death Star and something called The Force. As bad as these latest installments by Lucas may be, we'll always have that thrill and wonder that made the original movie.

Well said, man. Well said. The Original trilogy is the best.

DESANGRO

Sunday, April 11, 2004 8:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

How about....
AlliancevsEmpire.com

Hey, I'd buy that one if I had the money! I've always had a soft spot in my soul for the Alliance, as well as other intergalactic, fictional, oppressive regimes.

Yeah. I'll admit it. I'm an Alliance fangirl.

DESANGRO

Sunday, April 11, 2004 8:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by thefop:
This came to me in a vision, you might say. I was thinking to myself last night "How's this Christeonsen kid going to get the whole Darth Vader voice going?" and then it struck me; there has to be some kind of sith power he uses. I can see it all now.

Pamde: Obi Wan, I was talking to Anakin this morning and suddenly his voice has become very deep
Obi Wan: OH Hell, he's using Sith powers.
Padme: Really?
Obi Wan: Yes, he's clearly used the dark side of the force to make his testes drop.

Yoda: OOHHH, forcing puberty he is. Not good is this. Take lightsaber up I must
Fop: *Leaves Theatre*

once the snow got so deep you almost couldn't hear margaret atwood

I have two things to say about this:

(1) This is so funny!!!! HAAAHAAAHAHAAAA!!!!!!

(2) Have more visions! Now! I command you!

SOUTHERNMERC

Sunday, April 11, 2004 11:17 PM

Picture, if you will, this exchange taking place at the local theater:

SouthernMerc: Tickets for "Serentity," please.
Vendor: At what time, sir?
SM: I told you, for the movie.
V: Yes, but at what time?
SM: What do you mean? You gonna play it whenever I want? Shiny!
V: No, sir, I mean what time today?
SM: OH, sorry, all of them.
V: *blinks* Excuse me?
SM: What, ya deaf? I said all of 'em.
V: *pauses* Yes, sir. Um, "Star Wars Episode III: Soulless Destruction of Childhood Memories" is also playing today. In fact it just came out, weren't you waiting in line for that?
SM: Hell, no. Is that out yet? I'll have to catch that sometime when "Serenity" isn't playing. Oh, wait, it's playing all day tomorrow too, isn't it?
V: Uh, yes.
SM: Well then,*drops down wad of cash*, hook me up. I'll be back Monday before I head to work, so save a few tickets for me!
V: o-OK...sir.
SM: SHINY!

Jayne: "How big a room?"

ZOID

Sunday, April 11, 2004 11:40 PM

SoutherMerc wrote:

"...SM: Well then,*drops down wad of cash*, hook me up. I'll be back Monday before I head to work, so save a few tickets for me!..."

Can ya' dig it? I know thatcha can!

SAMURAIX47

Monday, April 12, 2004 3:24 AM

This topic was brought up before and it will be very hard to say how well Serenity would do against SW Ep3 if they came out too close together. I did see that SW Ep3 is coming out May 19, 2005... a Thursday. If Serenity comes out near the beginning of May then it could very well pick up early summer boxoffice numbers like what happened with X-Men 2. If Serenity could hit anywhere from $35-50 million in the first weekend (budget us $35 mil) then I think the Powers That Be would consider it a hit.

Here is a list of other films that have release dates, albeit it's not set in stone... so where can Serenity fit in best?

Music Inn (2005) 1 January
Racing Stripes (2005) 14 January
Amityville Horror, The (2005) "
Because of Winn-Dixie (2005) "
Suits on the Loose (2005) 28 January
Dead Meat (2005) 1 February
Irish Vampire Goes West, The (2005) 10 February
Constantine (2005) 11 February
Love of Time, A (2005) 14 February
When Hearts Run Wild (2005) "
Elektra (2005) 18 February
Son of the Mask (2005) "
Star of Bethlehem, The (2005) 3 March
Comanche Stallion (2005) 4 March
American Identity (2003) "
Robots (2005) 11 March
Cinderella Man, The (2005) 18 March
Tenacious D in: The Pick of Destiny (2005) 1 April
In the Wake of Identity (2005) "
Mission: Impossible 3 (2005) 6 May
Kingdom of Heaven (2005) "
XXX2: State of the Union (2005) 13 May
Star Wars: Episode III (2005) 19 May
Front Runner, The (2005) 6 June
E-Girl (2005) 12 June
Racer X (2005) 15 June
Batman Begins (2005) 17 June
Fantastic Four (2005) 1 July
Bewitched (2005) 8 July
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (2005) 15 July
Emperor's New Groove II, The (2005) (V) 20 July
Pink Panther, The (2005) 22 July
Green Hornet, The (2005) 1 August
Handyman, The (2005) 1 September
Wallace & Gromit Movie: Curse of the Wererabbit, The (2005) 30 September
One Is the Sun (2005) 20 October
Gingerbread (2005) "
Red (2005) 31 October
Victor (2005) "
Curious George (2005) 4 November
Cars (2005) "
Bond 21 (2005) 18 November
Diary (2005) 1 December
King Kong (2005) 14 December
Threading Over Dark (2005) 24 December
Camino del diablo, El (2005) 25 December
Marx Brothers, The (2005) "
Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch & the Wardrobe, The (2005) "
Payback Man, The (2004)

Jaymes

DARTHVEGAS

Monday, April 12, 2004 3:37 AM

Well I am hoping that the previews sstart showing up at the same time, helping to get a buzz going for Serenity. Also I dont think having "SW Ep. 3: All Your Moneys Belongs To Us" out at the same time will hurt Serenity, I mean what do fanboys do while waiting for a movie? They talk about other movies! Well, that and who would win if the Enterprise D and a Star Destroyer get into a fight, but that is another story.

Anyways I think it is good thing, so dont get in pissing match with SW fans, they have us outnumbered. :)

SADLITTLEKING

Monday, April 12, 2004 3:47 AM

To answer your question, SamuraiX47, I think Serenity would best fit in as an August or September release. Joss should avoid putting Serenity out in the Summer season. It wouldn't be a good move to try to compete for attention at that level. It'd be better to bring the movie out at a time where it stands a chance of being in the Top 5 for as long as possible.

THECLAPS

Monday, April 12, 2004 4:36 AM

Well if you check the imdb forums http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0121766/board/nest/7519849

it would seem that there's already plenty of internal strife amongst Star Wars fans. I say we take advantage of this tactical ouverture and swoop in and devastate their numbers. If we plan it carefully, their whole infrastructure will crumble, fan sites will go into disrepute, lines at the movies will erupt into riots, with plenty of plastic light-sabre bludgeoning. And when they're ultimately confronted with the terrible piece of fei-oo that is EpIII, they will be reduced to empty shells of geeks, at which point Serenity can swoop in and save the whole Sci-Fi genre, and we browncoats be heralded as the Big Damn Heroes we are.

Ain't. We. Just.

STEVE580

Monday, April 12, 2004 11:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mutt999:
No doubt "Serenity" will make alot of money. Loyal Browncoats going many times to see it, and newbies going because of the excellent word of mouth.

My only fear:

The over use of CG,digital,etc that killed the Star Wars saga.

I hope they can keep the perfect balance of FX and "realness" the tv series had.

I'd be afraid of that, too...except it's friggin' Joss Whedon we're talking about.
-Steve

EMBERS

Monday, April 12, 2004 11:51 AM

You are so right Steve:
Lucas may have no respect for the written word
but Joss will always place the writing first!

Particularly when he is the one writing and directing it! LOL

BROWNCOAT1

Monday, April 12, 2004 1:54 PM

Personally, after seeing Ep II, I am not expecting much from Lucas for Ep III. I will still go to the theatre to check it out, but it will be several weeks or more after it is released, and during a matinee on the weekend.

As for Serenity, I will see it several times, and pay full price to go, and take friends each and every time. I will follow Nathan's advice though and sneak in snacks.

I am not overly concerned as to Serenity being released around the same time as Star Wars. Joss is one crafty individual. I think he & Universal will be wise enough not to put the movie in direct competition w/ a franchise like SW. I would think that if the movie has to be released sometime in the spring that the best bet would be to release it either several weeks before Ep III or a month or more after Ep III premieres.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

RICHARDECHEANDIA

Monday, April 12, 2004 2:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:
That was the problem with this whole prequel story arc...we knew exactly what was going to happen and Lucas just isn't a good enough writer to throw in any curves and surprises (Lawrence Kasden did the screen plays for those first ones that were so brilliant). Fact is Lucas needs to hire Whedon as a script doctor....

oops! he is BUSY WRITING SERENITY!

I agree with Embers. How can the EP3 be anying BUT a downer given what has to happen:

Padme (sp?) has to die
the republic has to fall
Anakin has to become evil

Now there's a recipe for a rollicking good time! My personal prediction is that somehow the republic or the Jedi order will be responsible for Padme's death. This will (far too) conveniently explain Anakin's turn from being good or bad.

I won't know for sure though..... I'll be watching the BDM with as many of my friends as I can beg, plead or cajole into the theatre.

CHRONICTHEHEDGEHOG

Monday, April 12, 2004 3:20 PM

*Prepares for verbal beating*

I'm looking forward to Episode 3. I liked Episode 2. After several more watchings I'm beginning to accept Episode 1. I love seeing an expanded view of the Star Wars universe, battles between two powers at their best and beautiful effects. I also accept that the original trilogy was all about the visuals, had bad George Lucas dialog and bad acting. I also know everyone wanted to see Yoda have a lightsabre battle. Don't deny it, as a child that was your ultimate Star Wars dream. They had no big plot twists (and don't count Darth being Luke's father, which has been done a million times before no matter what people think).
The originals were not great films but, it's a series about space wizards and that's always going to be cool.

Why I'm going to enjoy Episode 3:
The characters are so far apart from their Episode 4 counterparts that there's going to be some cool stuff going on to get them there.
Tom Stoppard (oscar winning writer) has supposedly rewritten 80% of the dialog.
Good acting. Yes Anakin is a whiny little b*tch, but he's written that way. I swear Ewan McGregor is Alec Guinness' illegitimate son. Ian McDiarmid is brilliant. Portman is the only one not acting in these.
Ewan McGregor (who panned the first 2) says this is a great film.
The birth of Vader.
Star Wars are the best childrens films around. Yes, they're kids films. Get over it. The prequals (and even the originals) weren't for us, they're for children.

Why I'm going to enjoy Serenity:
Great writing.
Great acting.
Great action.
They're grown up films
It's a Big Damn Firefly Movie!

Personally I'm going to see both a lot of times, but if Episode 3 is better I'm going to see it more.

check out my WIP firefly roleplay system at www.estador.co.uk/firefly

GNOC

Monday, April 12, 2004 4:26 PM

Unfortunatly, I don't think Serenity has a chance vs Starwars. Star Wars is a kid/young person moive.. that is what lucas turned it in to. He has the toy market, the cartoons on Cartoon Network.. it is very popular with the kids.

Now, that said, I want Serenity to be geared for an older popuation. I don't see a reason that the older star wars fans (me included) cannot enjoy both movies. I can assure you , I have taken the day off from work to stand in line for the midnight showing of Ep 1 and Ep 2 (of which I loved both) and I will be in line for Ep 3. If they have a midnight of Serenity, I will be there also.

I don't see why we should boycott SW, you might turn away some of the die hard sw fans who might really like Serenity.

I hope Serenity does well with all of the Sci Fi popularity that grows during a star wars release.

My 2 yen

INVISIBLEGREEN

Monday, April 12, 2004 4:52 PM

If SW3 is coming out in May 2005, then that should be out of theaters by the time Serenity is released. There's really nothing to worry about.

ZOID

Monday, April 12, 2004 5:17 PM

Greetings, Gnoc:

I'm not calling for a Star Wars boycott; has anyone else? I stood on line at Houston's Galleria with my girlfriend for hours not once but four times for the original Star Wars back in 70-something, so I can understand fan loyalty.

Heck, I daresay I'll see Ep III at the theatre, too, especially since my son and I have played all the computer games based on it.

Me: "You see that guy? He's gonna turn into Darth Vader by the end of last movie."

My 10-year old son: "Really? Which one is going to turn into Kyle Katarn?"

Me: "Well, you see..." ad infinitum

So, I've got some loyalty too. I just don't think it's going to help "Star Wars, Episode III: The Inevitable Betrayal" at the box office, that kids are going to come out of the theatre crying...

As far as one of the other poster's supposition that the Jedi would be responsible for Amidala/Padme's death: Why would she then have so carefully hidden her children from their father, Darth?

Nope, he's either going to chase her off into hiding from his monstrous evil, or kill her outright, along with all the Jedi Knights but Obi Wan (who hides on Tattooine) and Yoda (who hides on Dagobah). And it will be Darth that does the hunting and killing of the Jedi, based on Alec Guiness' testimony to young Luke in Ep IV.

They'll need a Busby Berkeley dancing clones routine to lighten that mood... "Big arms, big arms! Now, scissor steps!"

Respectfully,

zoid
_________________________________________________

"River? I thought she was a sweet girl. Of course, we were all sure she was crazy, too."

- Inara Reynolds, Secretary of Ecumenical Affairs
from A Child Shall Lead Them: A History of the Second War of Independence, Wilkins, Richard

POETIC4U

Monday, April 12, 2004 5:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnoc:
Unfortunatly, I don't think Serenity has a chance vs Starwars. Star Wars is a kid/young person moive.. that is what lucas turned it in to. He has the toy market, the cartoons on Cartoon Network.. it is very popular with the kids.

I agree. "Star Wars" has been a fixture in entertainment longer than I can remember (granted, I'm only 21 but still). Sadly, Episode I didn't garner my attention as much as Episode II did(Probably because I'm a fan of Hayden Christensen's work). I enjoyed the first movie when I saw it with my mother and younger brother. And I watched Episode II 5 times in the theatre cuz I liked it so much. I think my interest in the prequels stems by the fact that I yearned for backstory...

A lot of the people I know who watched and enjoyed the show is 18 years old and above so I can certainly see "Serenity" geared to a much more older audiences. I've hooked my co-workers and friends to it. It's a great feeling to come to work and be able to talk about "Firefly" and have them respond back with equal enthusiasm. Shiny!

I am so dreading Episode III cuz a vast majority knows pretty much the gist on what will occur, but at the same time, I'm looking forward to it. If possible, I'll watch "Serenity" and "Star Wars" the same night if that was the case.

I've posted on their (Star Wars) official boards and they're a cool bunch of people. There's quite a few of them who like "Firefly." Like all else, give "Serenity" time, and wonders will flourish.

Nadia

"Older men declare war, but it is the youth who must fight and die. And it is the youth who must inherit the tribulation, the sorrow, and the triumphs that are the aftermath of war"
- Herbert Clark Hoover

"In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." - Martin Luther King Jr.

SKYDANCE

Monday, April 12, 2004 5:43 PM

Did FOX ruin Firefly's chances by swapping episodes all out of any sensible order? Was it the Friday timeslot that sealed its doom?

Maybe. Certainly, I can't imagine trying to watch the series without seeing the 2-hour pilot first. Good drama remains good drama, though, even if you don't understand why all the characters are doing what they're doing. The best drama works on many levels.

If anything killed Firefly, it was marketting. I think I saw one TV Guide bit about it being "the best show you're not watching," and so I tuned it in ... only to be hit with "Bushwhacked" (the Reaver episode). It's probably the weakest episode in the entire series, with these mysterious "reavers" that all the actors are trying to convince you are something terribly horrible, but that you won't actually see in this show. How lame.

If the marketting had kept putting Firefly in front of me, showing me glimpses of different elements of the story (9 commercials, one focussing on each lead character?), I might have given the show another chance. If you want people to be interested, you have to show them something interesting.

We can help. If there's a Sci-Fi con in your area, contact the organizers and ask if there will be any Firefly episodes played in their movie room. Suggest the 2-hour pilot (which is fun) or "Objects in Space" (which will leave an impression, because it is so original).

Posting links to Netflix rental is another good way. Millions of people have Netflix. http://www.netflix.com/MovieDisplay?trkid=90529&movieid=60032916 makes it easy for anyone to say, "What the heck? Might as well." It should be on your homepage, and on your favorite forum.

Show people what they're missing, and remind them that a movie is coming. Then, when it happens, they'll remember.

BLACKOUTNIGHTS

Monday, April 12, 2004 6:11 PM

Strangely enough, the FOX canceling of Firefly may be the best thing that could have happened. It's almost like Star Trek all over again, except this time, thanks to a medium like the Internet and some smart fans, it didn't even take a full season to drum up interest.

Star Wars? puh-lease I'll see it. But I sure don't expect it to be any good. It's more like a video game franchise now. But I did like the books by Timothy Zahn with Thrawn. Great villian. Now if those were made into movies...without guidance from Lucas....that coul dbe cool.

GNOC

Monday, April 12, 2004 6:21 PM

I did not want to insinuate that Serenity would do poorly as a movie. I just think that SW is a behemoth compared to Serenity with all the different frachises involved.
I hope that Serenity can take advantage of Sci fi mania that comes with the SW sagas.

Do we want to see Firefly action figures?? Legos?

that sounds fun.

SAMURAIX47

Monday, April 12, 2004 6:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by InvisibleGreen:
If SW3 is coming out in May 2005, then that should be out of theaters by the time Serenity is released. There's really nothing to worry about.

Again as someone near the top of the thread asked Arcbeatle... Do you know of an actual release date for Serenity? All we've been able to do is surmise and assume and suspect when it will hit theaters. Timing wise... mid to late August may be the best... or maybe April...

In another month or so we should know for sure. Movie studios and directors don't like to start shooting a film and not know what their deadline is. Shooting begins in June.

Jaymes

POETIC4U

Monday, April 12, 2004 6:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnoc:
Do we want to see Firefly action figures?? Legos?

I really really do. I want meself a "Serenity" model. I want a Vera. I want them to put out a Inara Sera clothing line. Is it so bad of me to even want a River-edited version of the Bible?

Nadia

"Older men declare war, but it is the youth who must fight and die. And it is the youth who must inherit the tribulation, the sorrow, and the triumphs that are the aftermath of war"
- Herbert Clark Hoover

"In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." - Martin Luther King Jr.

SNIPER

Monday, April 12, 2004 6:34 PM

Star Wars will do much better I think. Serenity may be a good film, but it won't top Episode III. However, it may be able to latch on afterwords as an intelligent science fiction film.

GNOC

Monday, April 12, 2004 8:02 PM

I would like to see a line of space ships put out like the old Millenium Falcon. One of Serenity, the Fed ships rock (the small fighters I mean) and then a reaper ship with the grappling hook devices that really work!

How bout a Crazy 8 ball (remember those?) with River wisdom and predictions on it?

And the whole line of play guns..

Candy bars that look like the loot taken from the wreckage in Episode 1: Serenity

I do digress...

PALADIN

Monday, April 12, 2004 8:04 PM

As with so many others, I grew up with Star Wars. And with that came a love for the bad guys, their sweet armor, big guns, and great music. In school I was considered the go-to guy for SW info (but there were definitely others who knew more than me). And I am not afraid to say that overall, I was pleased with Episodes 1&2. That's not to say I love Jar-Jar (becuase I most certainly do not), or that I am too overly enthused by the fact that Boba Fett (my favorite less-than-five-lines-in-a-move-but-still-cool-as-hell character ever) is nothing more than a dumb clone. (most of all hate the use of the Death Star in Ep.2)

I say this so you will know that when I say "comparing box office takes of Episode 3 and Serenity are two similar but diferent things," you will understand where I come from. Comparing box office takes of Episode 3 and Serenity are two similar but diferent things.

True, they both share the same type of Sci-Fi fanbase, but as Zoid pointed out "our military men and women have found a resonance in Firefly's story and characters and will be at theaters in droves." However, at the same time, Star Wars still has that name-brand recognition, and the os-so-overused CGI aliens. Yeah, I'm using Firefly's lack of aliens (which I actually think is a cool idea) against it for sake of discussion. But let's face it, a kid looks at a trailer and sees some funny looking alien and therefore convinces his parents to take him to that movie. For every child there are 2 parents (roughly), that's at least three tickets. The average American Family has about 2.5 children. Thats about 5 tickets per home. Assuming the kids go with their friends (who will inevitably be escorted by parents) that could jump anywhere from 5 to 10 tickets per home.

Admittedly, us loyal Browncoats will most likely go en-masse to theaters multiple times. So that's probably 7 or 8 per group. Multiplied by however many times we see the BDM.

Long and somewhat pointless story short: If Serenity and Episode 3 share a release weekend, pray for Joss. If their openings are different, SW may take in the big bucks for a while but look for Serenity to be the sleeper hit of the year.

PS
sorry if I ranted a bit

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"If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of Hell, a level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater." -Book

QUESTOR

Monday, April 12, 2004 9:48 PM

Speaking strictly for myself, I intend to have plenty of cash in my wallet for both, more than once. I think it would be smart of Universal to release Serenity a week or two (or three) before Ep. III.

Hopefully, they won't do what Paramount did with the last Star Trek movie, releasing it to compete with James Bond, Harry Potter and The Lord Of The Rings.

DIEGO

Monday, April 12, 2004 11:30 PM

Personally, I think a lot of the fear stemming from releasing "too many sci-fi films or shows or what-not" at the same time is based off of unreasonable assumptions by the big business types. Sci-fi fans will see both. The main question is about the non-sci-fi fan mundanes. Will people be intruiged by a general sci-fi advertising blitz into trying something they may never hav heard of, or will they feel like shelling out bucks only for the established cross-over franshise? I kind of think the former is not an unreasonable possibility.

Diego

DIEGO

Monday, April 12, 2004 11:43 PM

>Do we want to see Firefly action figures?? Legos?

I made a lego model of Serenity a while back. It evolved over a month or so, and it's almost certainly a sign of the on-set of dementia. But everyone I've showed it to has agreed that she's pretty shiny ship. The scary thing is that the engine pods have the full range of motion, the spinny thing near the firefly "abdomen" does its spinny thing, and the main cargo-bay door and the hatch that Jayne likes to hang out of both open up. Even scarier; the shuttles can detach. But the part that will really dot the "i"'s on my commitment to the asylum, is that even though you have to peer through the tiny gangway door, you can see that the cargo deck has wee balconies.

When I get a good picture I'll post it up here. It's harder to photograph than I would have thought.

Diego

ZOID

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 12:17 AM

Diego wrote:

"I made a lego model of Serenity a while back. It evolved over a month or so, and it's almost certainly a sign of the on-set of dementia..."

Cool, I've got one made of Lincoln Logs! Of course it's only in my mind, on account of the way they've got my arms crossing my chest and tied in the back; but, it's really neat! I've even got a miniature Abe Lincoln in the dining hall, drinking cider and emancipating the mudders.

Dude...

Still, 'idle hands' and all that... Just don't show it to any girls you pick up at the club; show 'em your pictures of "The Crucified 'Tash", instead. ('Tash, your cue) They'll be outta their outer garments in no time (or outta your house, one or t'other).

Respectfully, (if playfully)

zoid
_________________________________________________

"River? I thought she was a sweet girl. Of course, we were all sure she was crazy, too."

- Inara Reynolds, Secretary of Ecumenical Affairs
from A Child Shall Lead Them: A History of the Second War of Independence, Wilkins, Richard

FIREFLYTHEMOVIE

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 12:38 AM

Stoppard (re)wrote the dialog??? Based on the first 2, I was planning to skip the 3rd one. I may have to reconsider...

INVISIBLEGREEN

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 2:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SamuraiX47:
Again as someone near the top of the thread asked Arcbeatle... Do you know of an actual release date for Serenity? All we've been able to do is surmise and assume and suspect when it will hit theaters. Timing wise... mid to late August may be the best... or maybe April...

In another month or so we should know for sure. Movie studios and directors don't like to start shooting a film and not know what their deadline is. Shooting begins in June.

Jaymes

The release is currently set for "late 2005." I am guessing that it will be released around November, definitely no earlier than August. No specific release dates have been set. And btw, most movies don't get release dates until months to years after they finish shooting.

DIEGO

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 7:01 PM

Dude...

Still, 'idle hands' and all that... Just don't show it to any girls you pick up at the club; show 'em your pictures of "The Crucified 'Tash", instead.
--------------------
I dunno, Zoid. That advise doesn't apply to geek chicks. My present girlfriend likes it.

I suddenly flash back to the PVP comic that features Firefly.

Diego

ZOID

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 11:17 PM

Diego wrote:

Quote:
I dunno, Zoid. That advise doesn't apply to geek chicks. My present girlfriend likes it.

zoid smiles and pokes you in the arm...

What? You don't have to blow her up, do you?

Annoyingly,

zoid
_________________________________________________

"River? I thought she was a sweet girl. Of course, we were all sure she was crazy, too."

- Inara Reynolds, Secretary of Ecumenical Affairs
from A Child Shall Lead Them: A History of the Second War of Independence Wilkins, Richard

DIEGO

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 11:41 PM

What? You don't have to blow her up, do you?
---------------------------------
Only when she asks me to. ;) And no, she is NOT made of plastic, Zoid.

Diego

LTNOWIS

Wednesday, April 14, 2004 11:55 AM

Quote:
I'm looking forward to Episode 3. I liked Episode 2. After several more watchings I'm beginning to accept Episode 1.

I'm glad I'm not the only person over the age of 12 to like those movies.

I'm definiatly gonna see Episode 3, even if it has absolutely no plot. Hopefully it'll include all of the historical stuff I'm interested in as a geek, and nothing that actively annoys me. I probably won't see it more than once, and I'll probably buy it on VHS at a yard sale instead of the super-platinum collector's DVD set. Of course, I'll probably see Serenity multiple times, and buy several DVDs.

I always imagined the movie would come out in the September-November timeframe. Not that I want to wait longer, but all the summer thrillers would be out of theaters, and people would be ready for intellegent characters and diaglogue.

SOUTHERNMERC

Wednesday, April 14, 2004 2:26 PM

You're not the only one, but there were too many things in Ep. 1 that made me cringe to like it TOO much. And Ep. 2 only got rolling after OWK went to the cloning planet (can't recall the name). I like the Gungan race, as a whole they are a cool alien species, but as I have said many times, the film would have been improved greatly with a 10 minute scene of the slow, agonized, tortured death of Jar-Jar Binks. I enjoyed the two prequels on certain levels, and I will watch the third hoping it doesn't suck lemur testicles, but "Serenity" I shall watch endlessly. I hope it is given some time between release and Ep. 3.

Jayne: "How big a room?"

POETIC4U

Saturday, July 10, 2004 4:12 PM

I find it oddly creepifying to read that a lot of us were so close to projecting when "Serenity" would be released... and now that we know for certain that April 22, 2005 is the release date, I think the decision was the right one.

Nadia

"Older men declare war, but it is the youth who must fight and die. And it is the youth who must inherit the tribulation, the sorrow, and the triumphs that are the aftermath of war"
- Herbert Clark Hoover

"In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." - Martin Luther King Jr.

POPEBOB

Saturday, July 10, 2004 4:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:
well personally I won't be standing in line for episode III of Star Wars! I was disappointed w/episode I, but episode II was a complete rip-off, I felt I should have had my money back...

so no way am I thinking of throwing good money after bad by bothering to see Star Wars III in any theater (and I don't think I'm alone in my disgust, I don't think he'll make the first week $ on this one that he has in the past).

In fact I think there should be an online campaign to get people to go to Serenity instead!

Make it clear that we actually want good writing and developed characters, and jokes that are funny!

All things Considered....

Ep. I : poorly Written but good story and beautiful visuals.

Ep. II : Better written, not quite as good a story, INCREDIBLY beautiful visuals.

Ep. III? : if it follows the trend.. Decent writing, poor story, Visuals that will burn themselves into the back of your retina.

now with all that said. I love Starwars and i always will. Empire was the first movie i EVER saw. The new breed of SW is in no way to be compared to the classics. But they have thier niceties and imo should not be bashed on so hard, their good out weighs their bad.

Empire held its spot as my favorite all time movie for 23 years. If you were to ask me today which would i rather watch on a whim, Firefly (any given episode) or Empire? My answer would be firefly. If this trend continues Serenity may replace it altogether.

But dont give up on SW just because its new incarnations are but a mere shadow. In all honesty, they were an incredibly Tough act to follow.

"Crime and Politics, little girl. The situation is always...Fluid."
"The only fluid I see is the puddle of piss, refusin' to pay us our wage." -Badger and Jayne , 'Serenity'

KOHAN

Saturday, July 10, 2004 6:55 PM

I hate to say this, but I think ep. III just might do better then we think it would. maybe the reason for the first two films to be as is is so that when ep. III comes out, it could be the most mediocre movie and fans would still worship it.

you really think that starwars would end up like back to the future? hmm... bad example, err... startrek movies? wait.. superman series? batman series? gorrammit.... think!!! the matrix series?

okay, nevermind... starwars ep. III is going to blow and there no saving it. That doesn't mean I'm not going to watch it. (I'm a sucker for marketing) But Serenity better get some marketing under it's belt, or history will be likely to repeat itself.

no matter how cool a lightsaber is, I think I'm at heart a browncoat before I am a Jedi.

of course I can always be a jedi wearing a browncoat.....

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"Why? Is there blubber?"
╮╯▽╰╭

JAKE7

Saturday, July 10, 2004 7:51 PM

I'm a Star Wars fan; I'll be seeing episode III opening weekend I'm sure, but I doubt I'll see it multiple times at the theater, unless it's **really** cool. I will probably see it twice, once with my geeky (did *I* say that?) Star Wars friends and once with my nephew.

I'll be seeing Serenity opening night and many more times (as much as I can arrange, probably on Friday nights) because I want it to do well and I'm SURE I'll be wanting to see it over and over!!! I'm sure I'll be dragging friends and family to it...

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MAL: Everybody's makin' a fuss.

BARCLAY

Saturday, July 10, 2004 9:03 PM

I was a huge fan of the original Star Wars. So naturally, I went and saw Episode I, and was mildly dissapointed. Then I saw Episode II, once... and never will again. I refuse to go see Episode III. I have no interest in it at all.

Which is the pure antithesis of my feelings towards Serenity. I'm pumped up for this movie, I can't wait to see it, over and over again.

So, I like the idea of "fighttheforce.com." Encourage people not to see SWEp3 based on the merits of it no longer being an engaging story, when it gets closer to the release date, put up the negative reviews, and sign people up pledging to not go see it (and perhaps another list to not go see it again). Suggest a list of alternatives that include, but is not limited to, Serenity.

Also, we browncoats should mobilize to go see Serenity en masse the weekend SWEp 3 opens. For example, suggest delaying a second viewing of Serenity until Star Wars' opening weekend. If we're successful enough, we might even trump Star Wars in a head to head matchup. Wouldn't that be shiny?

Firefly CCG Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/FFCCG
Firefly CCG Forum
http://s8.invisionfree.com/FFCCG/

SLAYTHIS

Saturday, July 10, 2004 9:07 PM

The release dates are actually closer to being one month apart, and although a month may not seem like much, it is enough time that the two movies will not be directly competing for box office dollars, and financially, both films will be successful. The biggest difference between the movies is that one of them has the potential to effectively launch a franchise while the other has the potential to effectively lay a franchise to rest.
Serenity will likely have an opening weekend that, although not necessarily record-breaking, will be great enough to easily convince Universal to greenlight a sequel. After that, between fan buzz and positive reviews (yes - positive reviews. Joss has been given full reign which should quell any concerns that this film will succumb to Hollywoodization, and any educated film critic will recognize the blessing of a sci-fi action flick in which the spectacle of the movie, however magnificent it may be, does not supercede the plight and dynamic of its truly original characters,) the fan-base will most likely expand, and this will cause the B.O. receipts to not dwindle quite as rapidly as with other movies as the converts will continue to trickle in. The current fan base is truly phenomenal considering the opportunities given the show's survival by Fox, but there are still a large number of people who will be introduced to Firefly by happening upon a Serenity trailer before a movie, and keep in mind that good trailers can persuade somebody to give a movie a try. Plus there are all the folks who are being told to check out the best TV series they've never seen. For some, the release of the movie may be the push they need. Serenity will have a good box office run; it's sequel will have an even better run.
Star Wars will also have a good run - perhaps even a better run than Serenity, given the expanse of it’s fandom over the past 25 years, which, as hard as some people may try to resist, is still enduring. It won't break any records, including its own. The prequels have turned off more fans than they have engaged. A lot of people will see it, though they will have widely varying reactions, unlike Serenity, which will be largely enjoyed by most of its audience. A significant difference, though, is that people who had not necessarily planned on seeing Star Wars will not have their minds changed by the reviews or the buzz or the trailers. And although it is certainly established enough to draw in a huge crowd, nobody will demand that Lucas make another one. Nobody will miss new Star Wars movies, but the ever-increasing Browncoats will crave more offerings from Joss.

That's my peace. Please forgive me if this was long-winded, I'm a relative newb to internet forums; I just love Firefly too much to not get in on the action.

"If you take sexual advantage of her, you're
going to burn in a very special level of hell.
A level they reserve for child molesters and
people who talk at the theater."

ARCBEATLE

Saturday, July 10, 2004 9:47 PM

Now the thing is that we need to start maing a website like that soon... It would be rather awesome.

Im willing to help write articles and or advertize.

If people only beleive wahts in a movie, their damn well sure beleiving Serenity.

STANDING8

Saturday, July 10, 2004 10:39 PM

i could care less about star wars III! episodes I and II were nothing special. they were okay to watch, ONCE. the new ones dont hold a candle to the older ones. and i am by no means a star wars guy, never was.

i just want serenity to do very well. i hope just crappy movies come out the same week as serenity.

-Soul Rebel-

http://www.livejournal.com/users/standing8

TRASK43

Sunday, July 11, 2004 12:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SlayThis:
The release dates are actually closer to being one month apart, and although a month may not seem like much, it is enough time that the two movies will not be directly competing for box office dollars, and financially, both films will be successful. The biggest difference between the movies is that one of them has the potential to effectively launch a franchise while the other has the potential to effectively lay a franchise to rest.
Serenity will likely have an opening weekend that, although not necessarily record-breaking, will be great enough to easily convince Universal to greenlight a sequel. After that, between fan buzz and positive reviews (yes - positive reviews. Joss has been given full reign which should quell any concerns that this film will succumb to Hollywoodization, and any educated film critic will recognize the blessing of a sci-fi action flick in which the spectacle of the movie, however magnificent it may be, does not supercede the plight and dynamic of its truly original characters,) the fan-base will most likely expand, and this will cause the B.O. receipts to not dwindle quite as rapidly as with other movies as the converts will continue to trickle in. The current fan base is truly phenomenal considering the opportunities given the show's survival by Fox, but there are still a large number of people who will be introduced to Firefly by happening upon a Serenity trailer before a movie, and keep in mind that good trailers can persuade somebody to give a movie a try. Plus there are all the folks who are being told to check out the best TV series they've never seen. For some, the release of the movie may be the push they need. Serenity will have a good box office run; it's sequel will have an even better run.
Star Wars will also have a good run - perhaps even a better run than Serenity, given the expanse of it’s fandom over the past 25 years, which, as hard as some people may try to resist, is still enduring. It won't break any records, including its own. The prequels have turned off more fans than they have engaged. A lot of people will see it, though they will have widely varying reactions, unlike Serenity, which will be largely enjoyed by most of its audience. A significant difference, though, is that people who had not necessarily planned on seeing Star Wars will not have their minds changed by the reviews or the buzz or the trailers. And although it is certainly established enough to draw in a huge crowd, nobody will demand that Lucas make another one. Nobody will miss new Star Wars movies, but the ever-increasing Browncoats will crave more offerings from Joss.

That's my peace. Please forgive me if this was long-winded, I'm a relative newb to internet forums; I just love Firefly too much to not get in on the action.

"If you take sexual advantage of her, you're
going to burn in a very special level of hell.
A level they reserve for child molesters and
people who talk at the theater."

That was a good read hopefully most of it will come true.

I think its important to not turn the whole Serenity/Star Wars thing into to much of a competition. If its percieved as a competition by Star Wars fans we might find that a few of them boycott Serenity which would obviously be pretty disapointing from our point of view.

www.summer-glau.com

KURUKAMI

Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kohan:
no matter how cool a lightsaber is, I think I'm at heart a browncoat before I am a Jedi.

of course I can always be a jedi wearing a browncoat.....

Wow. That just inspired me to come up with an entirely new signature. Thanks, Kohan!

Oh, and for all those who might be curious in setting up that website, drop me an email at kurukami_nospam_@comcast.net (just take out the _nospam_ part

). I've got pretty decent coding skills, if we want to actually get this project rolling.

Ben Kenobi was a browncoat.

CSSTROWBRIDGE

Sunday, July 11, 2004 8:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by arcbeatle:
acording too the approximate release date of Serenity, and the release date of the last star wars movie, Wont serenity be coming out just a week or two before StarWars?? There are two ways to take this:

1.Serenity will catch the Market, and get the starwars audiance ahead of time, cutting into star wars's gross

2. Serenity wont take in much money, as many people will be waiting for their long awaited Ep. III, going with the old favorite instead of the new guy.

Comments? Questions?

There's almost a month between them, so the one won't really affect the other.

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Sunday, July 11, 2004 11:53 AM

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I think its important to not turn the whole Serenity/Star Wars thing into to much of a competition. If its percieved as a competition by Star Wars fans we might find that a few of them boycott Serenity which would obviously be pretty disapointing from our point of view.

I couldn't agree more trask43.
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Sunday, July 11, 2004 1:27 PM

It's really not much of a competition. Firefly will likely pull in good ratings it's first week. Most sci-fi movies do. The difference would be the following week. A lot of sci-fi movies drop 50-75% of their audience the following week. Serenity, if it holds true to form, will likely hold steady, or increase, the following week with good word of mouth. In any case, the main goal here is to make the kind of movie which makes people want to see twice in a theater, then buy the DVD.

Look at Gattaca. Came out the same year as Alien 4. Which DVD is more likely to be on your shelf?

Star Wars is a different thing completely. There *isn't* a competition when it comes down to it. Star Wars is going to slam the box office when it is released. Firefly is going to be compared to it and the comparison is likely to be in Serenity's favor when it comes down to story, plot, and just being a bteer movie. But, Star wars is going to be much more commercial a movie.

And then there is the other point: Does anyone ever save up two weeks to spend $7 on a movie ticket? If there is a really good movie showing that week, you go see it. Another movie in two weeks makes no difference, at all.

CERVANIA

Sunday, July 11, 2004 2:12 PM

I still think it well do relatively well. I myself have already convinced my husband (A devout SW fan of umteen years) to watch the BDM at least 3 times before we step foot into a dollar theater to watch SW.

I believe SW III will be a commercial success to a point. It won't be the huge blockbuster that Lucas wants. It won't be breaking any box office records.

Of course SW has had decades to build a loyal fan base. But many of the fans no longer "love" Lucas because of all the crap he's done to the series. I, myself, a former SW fan.

And with any luck, Lucas will crawl back under the rock from which he came and think about what he's done to, the once wonderful, Star Wars Saga.

Afterthought: Yes some people do have to save a few weeks in advance to go a movie. Family of four to a movie? You are talking almost 50 bucks for a matinee with popcorn and drinks to keep the kiddies quiet. 50 bucks aint cheap. That's a month's worth of gas.

I, myself, will probably spend 50 bucks in tickets ,in one month, just for myself.

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KOHAN

Monday, July 12, 2004 1:04 AM

lol... ^^

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Monday, July 12, 2004 2:42 AM

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Originally posted by gnoc:
Unfortunatly, I don't think Serenity has a chance vs Starwars. Star Wars is a kid/young person moive.. that is what lucas turned it in to. He has the toy market, the cartoons on Cartoon Network.. it is very popular with the kids.

Now, that said, I want Serenity to be geared for an older popuation. I don't see a reason that the older star wars fans (me included) cannot enjoy both movies. I can assure you , I have taken the day off from work to stand in line for the midnight showing of Ep 1 and Ep 2 (of which I loved both) and I will be in line for Ep 3. If they have a midnight of Serenity, I will be there also.

I don't see why we should boycott SW, you might turn away some of the die hard sw fans who might really like Serenity.

I hope Serenity does well with all of the Sci Fi popularity that grows during a star wars release.

My 2 yen

Very well said. I for one will be in line (actually I'll buy tickets over the web so I won't have to wait in line) and see it at the midnight showing of Ep III. When I saw Ep II at midnight, I had the funnest time ever seeing a movie (with the other Star Wars fans). It was great.

I'm a fan of both and think that the older Star Wars gen will really like Serenity. With it opening up early it should geek up the Star Wars fans for Star Wars and make a boatload of money. That's what I'm hoping for anyway.