Serenity VS. Star Wars Ep. III??
POSTED BY: arcbeatle
UPDATED: Monday, July 12, 2004 02:42
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*Prepares for verbal beating*
I'm looking forward to Episode 3. I liked Episode 2. After several more watchings I'm beginning to accept Episode 1. I love seeing an expanded view of the Star Wars universe, battles between two powers at their best and beautiful effects. I also accept that the original trilogy was all about the visuals, had bad George Lucas dialog and bad acting. I also know everyone wanted to see Yoda have a lightsabre battle. Don't deny it, as a child that was your ultimate Star Wars dream. They had no big plot twists (and don't count Darth being Luke's father, which has been done a million times before no matter what people think).
The originals were not great films but, it's a series about space wizards and that's always going to be cool.
Why I'm going to enjoy Episode 3:
The characters are so far apart from their Episode 4 counterparts that there's going to be some cool stuff going on to get them there.
Tom Stoppard (oscar winning writer) has supposedly rewritten 80% of the dialog.
Good acting. Yes Anakin is a whiny little b*tch, but he's written that way. I swear Ewan McGregor is Alec Guinness' illegitimate son. Ian McDiarmid is brilliant. Portman is the only one not acting in these.
Ewan McGregor (who panned the first 2) says this is a great film.
The birth of Vader.
Star Wars are the best childrens films around. Yes, they're kids films. Get over it. The prequals (and even the originals) weren't for us, they're for children.
Why I'm going to enjoy Serenity:
Great writing.
Great acting.
Great action.
They're grown up films
It's a Big Damn Firefly Movie!
Personally I'm going to see both a lot of times, but if Episode 3 is better I'm going to see it more.
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Unfortunatly, I don't think Serenity has a chance vs Starwars. Star Wars is a kid/young person moive.. that is what lucas turned it in to. He has the toy market, the cartoons on Cartoon Network.. it is very popular with the kids.
Now, that said, I want Serenity to be geared for an older popuation. I don't see a reason that the older star wars fans (me included) cannot enjoy both movies. I can assure you , I have taken the day off from work to stand in line for the midnight showing of Ep 1 and Ep 2 (of which I loved both) and I will be in line for Ep 3. If they have a midnight of Serenity, I will be there also.
I don't see why we should boycott SW, you might turn away some of the die hard sw fans who might really like Serenity.
I hope Serenity does well with all of the Sci Fi popularity that grows during a star wars release.
My 2 yen
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If SW3 is coming out in May 2005, then that should be out of theaters by the time Serenity is released. There's really nothing to worry about.
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Greetings, Gnoc:
I'm not calling for a Star Wars boycott; has anyone else? I stood on line at Houston's Galleria with my girlfriend for hours not once but four times for the original Star Wars back in 70-something, so I can understand fan loyalty.
Heck, I daresay I'll see Ep III at the theatre, too, especially since my son and I have played all the computer games based on it.
Me: "You see that guy? He's gonna turn into Darth Vader by the end of last movie."
My 10-year old son: "Really? Which one is going to turn into Kyle Katarn?"
Me: "Well, you see..." ad infinitum
So, I've got some loyalty too. I just don't think it's going to help "Star Wars, Episode III: The Inevitable Betrayal" at the box office, that kids are going to come out of the theatre crying...
As far as one of the other poster's supposition that the Jedi would be responsible for Amidala/Padme's death: Why would she then have so carefully hidden her children from their father, Darth?
Nope, he's either going to chase her off into hiding from his monstrous evil, or kill her outright, along with all the Jedi Knights but Obi Wan (who hides on Tattooine) and Yoda (who hides on Dagobah). And it will be Darth that does the hunting and killing of the Jedi, based on Alec Guiness' testimony to young Luke in Ep IV.
They'll need a Busby Berkeley dancing clones routine to lighten that mood... "Big arms, big arms! Now, scissor steps!"
Respectfully,
zoid
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from A Child Shall Lead Them: A History of the Second War of Independence, Wilkins, Richard
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Originally posted by gnoc:
Unfortunatly, I don't think Serenity has a chance vs Starwars. Star Wars is a kid/young person moive.. that is what lucas turned it in to. He has the toy market, the cartoons on Cartoon Network.. it is very popular with the kids.
I agree. "Star Wars" has been a fixture in entertainment longer than I can remember (granted, I'm only 21 but still). Sadly, Episode I didn't garner my attention as much as Episode II did(Probably because I'm a fan of Hayden Christensen's work). I enjoyed the first movie when I saw it with my mother and younger brother. And I watched Episode II 5 times in the theatre cuz I liked it so much. I think my interest in the prequels stems by the fact that I yearned for backstory...
A lot of the people I know who watched and enjoyed the show is 18 years old and above so I can certainly see "Serenity" geared to a much more older audiences. I've hooked my co-workers and friends to it. It's a great feeling to come to work and be able to talk about "Firefly" and have them respond back with equal enthusiasm. Shiny!
I am so dreading Episode III cuz a vast majority knows pretty much the gist on what will occur, but at the same time, I'm looking forward to it. If possible, I'll watch "Serenity" and "Star Wars" the same night if that was the case.
I've posted on their (Star Wars) official boards and they're a cool bunch of people. There's quite a few of them who like "Firefly." Like all else, give "Serenity" time, and wonders will flourish.
Nadia
"Older men declare war, but it is the youth who must fight and die. And it is the youth who must inherit the tribulation, the sorrow, and the triumphs that are the aftermath of war"
- Herbert Clark Hoover
"In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." - Martin Luther King Jr.
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Did FOX ruin Firefly's chances by swapping episodes all out of any sensible order? Was it the Friday timeslot that sealed its doom?
Maybe. Certainly, I can't imagine trying to watch the series without seeing the 2-hour pilot first. Good drama remains good drama, though, even if you don't understand why all the characters are doing what they're doing. The best drama works on many levels.
If anything killed Firefly, it was marketting. I think I saw one TV Guide bit about it being "the best show you're not watching," and so I tuned it in ... only to be hit with "Bushwhacked" (the Reaver episode). It's probably the weakest episode in the entire series, with these mysterious "reavers" that all the actors are trying to convince you are something terribly horrible, but that you won't actually see in this show. How lame.
If the marketting had kept putting Firefly in front of me, showing me glimpses of different elements of the story (9 commercials, one focussing on each lead character?), I might have given the show another chance. If you want people to be interested, you have to show them something interesting.
We can help. If there's a Sci-Fi con in your area, contact the organizers and ask if there will be any Firefly episodes played in their movie room. Suggest the 2-hour pilot (which is fun) or "Objects in Space" (which will leave an impression, because it is so original).
Posting links to Netflix rental is another good way. Millions of people have Netflix. http://www.netflix.com/MovieDisplay?trkid=90529&movieid=60032916 makes it easy for anyone to say, "What the heck? Might as well." It should be on your homepage, and on your favorite forum.
Show people what they're missing, and remind them that a movie is coming. Then, when it happens, they'll remember.
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Strangely enough, the FOX canceling of Firefly may be the best thing that could have happened. It's almost like Star Trek all over again, except this time, thanks to a medium like the Internet and some smart fans, it didn't even take a full season to drum up interest.
Star Wars? puh-lease I'll see it. But I sure don't expect it to be any good. It's more like a video game franchise now. But I did like the books by Timothy Zahn with Thrawn. Great villian. Now if those were made into movies...without guidance from Lucas....that coul dbe cool.
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I did not want to insinuate that Serenity would do poorly as a movie. I just think that SW is a behemoth compared to Serenity with all the different frachises involved.
I hope that Serenity can take advantage of Sci fi mania that comes with the SW sagas.
Do we want to see Firefly action figures?? Legos?
that sounds fun.
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Originally posted by InvisibleGreen:
If SW3 is coming out in May 2005, then that should be out of theaters by the time Serenity is released. There's really nothing to worry about.
Again as someone near the top of the thread asked Arcbeatle... Do you know of an actual release date for Serenity? All we've been able to do is surmise and assume and suspect when it will hit theaters. Timing wise... mid to late August may be the best... or maybe April...
In another month or so we should know for sure. Movie studios and directors don't like to start shooting a film and not know what their deadline is. Shooting begins in June.
Jaymes
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Originally posted by gnoc:
Do we want to see Firefly action figures?? Legos?
I really really do. I want meself a "Serenity" model. I want a Vera. I want them to put out a Inara Sera clothing line. Is it so bad of me to even want a River-edited version of the Bible?
Nadia
"Older men declare war, but it is the youth who must fight and die. And it is the youth who must inherit the tribulation, the sorrow, and the triumphs that are the aftermath of war"
- Herbert Clark Hoover
"In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." - Martin Luther King Jr.
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