Laurasaurus Ingraham
POSTED BY: MalBadInLatin
UPDATED: Thursday, March 26, 2009 20:08
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Move over Rush...there is a new Conservative media victim of the mainstream Liberal media...and she's crying phony outrage louder and better than you. When she talks...her voice has this hyperannoying goose-like quality to it and O'Reilly has had her honking all week.
Laura Ingraham is a lawyer. And any good lawyer knows that the louder and longer you speak...the righter you seem to conservatives. Meaghan McCain told it like it is...Rush and Coulter are bad for sensable Republicans. Then Ingraham hit's McCain below the belt making fun of her being a "plus size" and making fun of her age in terms of how she speaks.
Now...when informal polls come back after McCain's appearance on the View and GMA showing decided support for McCain...we have to suffer a week of Ingraham during a heightened state of snotty and annoying. Then her defense for her agression towards McCain was "I didn't say the word fat"
The Republican party better start paying attention to people like Michael Steele, and anybody else. Because Igraham, Limbo, and all the rest will not be putting thier names in the hat in 2012. Because it doesn't look like Obama is going to fail in the same ways Carter did. Carter's failure was the only reason Republicans snapped back from thier last catastrophic failure so fast...which would have been Nixon.
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Funny thing is, when Al Franken, Randy Rhodes and the like were making far MORE noise ( or trying to ) and being far more venomous and vitriolic, the Right just chuckled and whispered, " keep it up "
Well, moveondotorg and the DemUndeground gangs have had their victories, if not at on the airwaves, at least at the ballot box. But see, that's all they REALLY need to win, because once they're in power, they plan to control the airwaves anyway. And while the "unFairness Doctrine " might be dead, there are those pushing forward equally as unconstitutional and anti-freedom sorts of legislation, all in the name of " fairness ".
Rush has been a target of the Left for 2 decades now , and they only seem to make him more and more popular. I listen to Laura almost every day, and though I missed this particular skit ( and that's all it was , HUMOR ) I'm fairly confident the Left is once again taking this WAY out of context and attempting to vilify Ms Ingraham , not on the basis of her view points, but merely because she's a conservative woman.
Shame on the Left, though I know they have none.
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.
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Quote:Faulty analogy. Niether Al Franken nor Randy Rhodes were mainstream Liberal media personalities and I never heard thier radio stuff. Laurasaurus is a prominent Conservative pundit with an actual highly impressionable audience thats listening. it's not Liberalism's, or the Democratic Party's fault Conservatives constantly dig up Liberal media dirt to roll around and play victims in. otherwise it would go relatively unaired. They just need to feed the outrage machine.
Originally posted by AURaptor:Funny thing is, when Al Franken, Randy Rhodes and the like were making far MORE noise ( or trying to ) and being far more venomous and vitriolic, the Right just chuckled and whispered, " keep it up "
Quote:I recommend Lithium at first, if that doesn't work, try Gabapentin, if that doesn't work try Haldol or Thorazine. That's a little too much conspiracy even for a Conservapublineocontarian Rap.
Originally posted by AURaptor:Well, moveondotorg and the DemUndeground gangs have had their victories, if not at on the airwaves, at least at the ballot box. But see, that's all they REALLY need to win, because once they're in power, they plan to control the airwaves anyway. And while the "unFairness Doctrine " might be dead, there are those pushing forward equally as unconstitutional and anti-freedom sorts of legislation, all in the name of " fairness "
Quote:Let me fill you in. Igraham made fun of the fact that Ms McCain was "plus size", which if that doesn't mean fat, heavy, or large...what does it mean Rap? She also made fun of her speech as though she spoke like a valley girl, which is either as slam on age, or intelligence, perhaps both and at least one. What else could she mean?
Originally posted by AURaptor:Rush has been a target of the Left for 2 decades now , and they only seem to make him more and more popular. I listen to Laura almost every day, and though I missed this particular skit ( and that's all it was , HUMOR ) I'm fairly confident the Left is once again taking this WAY out of context and attempting to vilify Ms Ingraham , not on the basis of her view points, but merely because she's a conservative woman.
You're not supposed to think that making fun of how somebody talks...or being plus size...is funny. I would have figured a man with some human compassion...would have understood that.
Conservapublineocontarians have always baffled me when it comes to humor. Liberals have three incredibly successful comedy shows about politics. Not the right. 1/2 hour comedy hour flopped, Red Eye is currently flopping. I guess you righties respond to outrage and anger, not happiness or humor...and you want it from the Rush's and the Igraham's without debate or interruption. Rush is like shooting up outrage. You righties are junkies, and need help.
Laura Ingraham was NOT trying to be funny or humorous. A humorous thought runs away from righties faster than shit goes through a goose. Ingraham needs to have the lesbian affair she needs deep down, and then she'd feel a lot better.
Quote:That's spelled L-I-T-H-I-U-M.
Originally posted by AURaptor:Shame on the Left, though I know they have none.
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.
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Niether Al Franken nor Randy Rhodes were mainstream Liberal media personalities and I never heard thier radio stuff
- That you never heard them kinda makes the point. They were ATTEMPTING to be 'main stream' , but AA failed, miserably. The analogy is apt.
Sorry, I'm not into the 'drug' thing, as clearly, you are. There's no conspiracy here, just what IS.
You say Laura "made fun of " , but did you actually hear the skit, as it was played, unedited ? If it's anything like the Limbaugh stories I've heard, 99% of all this is pure Left wing spin.
There's such a thing as PARODY. Not suppose to make fun of how people talk ?? Hell, WTF have folks been doing to W for the past 8 yrs ? I think that opens up a window into your line of thinking.... don't ridicule anyone unless you really REALLY hate them. Well, guess what, sometimes folks poke fun at others just a bit, for the sake of tweaking. It doesn't always have to mean they despise that person. I suppose the concept is lost on the Left, as they ridiculed Bush for 2 terms, and made no secret how they really felt about him.
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Ingraham needs to have the lesbian affair she needs deep down, and then she'd feel a lot better.
Wow. Project your personal views onto others much ?
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.
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p.s.
I heard the spoof that Laura did on Meghan McCain. It was fairly spot on, actually. Ms McCain did sound a bit like a valley girl. And Laura's throw away line about " plus size models " is more a slap at Hollywood's obsession w/ emaciated women, stick figures and much ado about nothing when it comes to Ms McCain being " fat ". Please. Just another shallow attempt by the Left to gen up false indignation in their ongoing jihad to vilify conservatives.
This is nothing more than run of the mill, standard issue Left wing hypocrisy. Franken calls Rush Limbaugh is a big fat idiot, and the Left gets away with this sort of crap every damn day. W is a stupid frat boy, but when the Left wants to flip things around for their own P.R. spin, the smallest throw away line like what Laura said about " plus size models" gets folks screaming ?
Completely phony indignation on the part of the Left, because THEY CAN'T WIN ON SUBSTANCE !
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Quote:I heard the skit as presented by Laura Ingraham herself this week on Bill O'Reilly.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
did you actually hear the skit, as it was played, unedited ? If it's anything like the Limbaugh stories I've heard, 99% of all this is pure Left wing spin.
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Yeah, I heard it too.
Much ado about nothing.
As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets.
-- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.
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Quote:You ever notice how every now and then you find something so profoundly lacking compassion that righties and lefties do on tape or video...and you begin to dream that they'll own up to it? Instead of going to work like lawyers absolving themselves of any wrongdoing? You just lean back in the chair and say Oh well.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I heard the spoof that Laura did on Meghan McCain. It was fairly spot on, actually.
So sad to live in a delusion. At least personally as a lefty, I know both sides are sneaky lawyer types whom absolve themselves of everything. Renew my faith in mankind Rap and tell me you're not stupid enough to fall for the conservative media spin and your own built in delusional capabilities. You know good and well Ingraham was being as catty and as insulting as she could possibly pull off without Cindy getting up in her grill
. I thought Conservatives had manners .
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There was nothing in the least bit catty about Laura's impersonation of Meghan McCain. Ms McCain came out and took a swipe at conservative talk show host, and that got her a interview on MSNBC. Fresh out of college with her Art history degree, Meghan has yet to be confused with some of the more polished political minds on the national landscape. But because of her comments about Coulter and Limbaugh, she's suddenly the Left wing's media darling. Never mind the hateful, heartless and truly catty things said about Sarah Palin just a few months ago, Meghan's youth and inexperience is every bit real to see. Quite simply, being the daughter of a U.S. Senator alone isn't enough to give Meghan her 'street cred' when it comes to being politically savvy.
And yet, here she is, being treated as a serious political commentator on the Rachel Madow show. She offers that the GOP should go more " moderate" , despite the fact that her own dad, the poster child for the Moderate in today's political scene, just got defeated by a guy with zero experience and who had been in D.C. less than 2 yrs before he started campaigning for the big seat. Meghan should take some time and think about that before she starts offering the GOP any political advice.
The sad game here being played is by the Left, in using the daughter of McCain to attack conservative talk radio. That you can't see through ( or simply just refuse to. because you hate the Right so much ) is what's really disappointing
" As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
p.s.
I heard the spoof that Laura did on Meghan McCain. It was fairly spot on, actually. Ms McCain did sound a bit like a valley girl. And Laura's throw away line about " plus size models " is more a slap at Hollywood's obsession w/ emaciated women, stick figures and much ado about nothing when it comes to Ms McCain being " fat ". Please. Just another shallow attempt by the Left to gen up false indignation in their ongoing jihad to vilify conservatives.
This is nothing more than run of the mill, standard issue Left wing hypocrisy. Franken calls Rush Limbaugh is a big fat idiot, and the Left gets away with this sort of crap every damn day. W is a stupid frat boy, but when the Left wants to flip things around for their own P.R. spin, the smallest throw away line like what Laura said about " plus size models" gets folks screaming ?
Completely phony indignation on the part of the Left, because THEY CAN'T WIN ON SUBSTANCE !
Yeah, all the phony indignation on the Left over that "lipstick on a pig" remark was just so embarrassing! I know the Right would never stoop that low.
Mike
A baby seal walks into a club...
The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".
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No phony indignation , what so ever, with the Lipstick remark. That's what separates the two of us. The Right gets riled over actual insults, not make believe ones.
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No phony indignation , what so ever, with the Lipstick remark. That's what separates the two of us. The Right gets riled over actual insults, not make believe ones.
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.
I never did see what all the fuss was about over Obama's "lipstick" remark. It's a common expression. My wife and I had a small argument over that
BUT that being said, there are things Obama did during the campaign that made me raise my eyebrows. Like the subtle flipping-the-bird-pretending-to-scratch-my-forehead thing. THAT was questionable.There's a little bit of a difference in picking on someone for the way they talk or look vs. "jokes" about death threats. There was a little stink raised by an Air America "joke" where they threatened to kill Bush if he dared to mess with Social Security. There was a whole "Go ahead *CLICK* Make my day" Funny? I suppose . . in a way. But you're talkin' about killing the President there. Right or Left? No. Just plain wrong.
People have taken Bush making a silly face or a face made in a speech caugh on camera that merely looked funny and turned it around into making him look like a moron (yes, I know many of you think that).
Want a laugh from a Conservative? Listen to Glenn Beck. He's pretty darn funny. Compasionate, yes. Makes fun of liberal . . . um . . . yes, of course. Gets infuriated at times and lashes out? Yes. He's human. But a funny human.
To prove I've got a wide range sense of humor, I saw the clip on Jay Leno with various polital figures playing Jeopardy: Lincoln, Bush and Obama. The funniest part was Bush's last three or four questions.
The Economy:
"What is NOT MY PROBLEM"
Iraq:
"What is NOT MY PROBLEM"
Global Warming:
"What is NOT MY PROBLEM"
and finally
Illiteracy:
"What IS MY PROBLEM"
All equally funny.
Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas
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Quote:The same points COULD be made against Rush. He's fat, talks annoyingly, and on top of that is addicted to hillbilly heroin and needs Viagra just to get it up with hos! So unless Ingraham wants to fall thru the ice, ixnay on the personal attacks!
Let me fill you in. Igraham made fun of the fact that Ms McCain was "plus size", which if that doesn't mean fat, heavy, or large...what does it mean Rap? She also made fun of her speech
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No phony indignation , what so ever, with the Lipstick remark. That's what separates the two of us. The Right gets riled over actual insults, not make believe ones.
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.
Well, you say "tomato", I say "fuck you"...
"Lipstick on a pig" was phony indignation at its height. There's no actual "there" there - unless you admit that McCain called Hillary a pig.
And oh yeah - what was it McCain said about Chelsea Clinton? That she was butt-ugly, or some such?
I know, Lappy, "it isn't an insult if it's true"... Which applies to that fatty Meagan McCain and her "Oh my god, I was all, like, whatever" way of talking. It's not an insult if it's true, right?
Mike
A baby seal walks into a club...
The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No phony indignation , what so ever, with the Lipstick remark. That's what separates the two of us. The Right gets riled over actual insults, not make believe ones.
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.
Anyone with a grasp on english knew that the lipstick line was a comment on McCain and not Palin, yet the righties went crazy saying it was sexist.
In short, you are full of shit.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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It was directed toward Palin
You know it was
It was sexist, hate filled and petty.
Standard M.O. For the Left.
Penn Jillette is spot on.
DNC = the party of hate
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.
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“As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. Why would I care about that? I love the guy, and I think he’s gonna be great.”
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It was directed toward Palin
You know it was
It was sexist, hate filled and petty.
Standard M.O. For the Left.
Like I said, anyone with a grasp on the language got it - which clearly excludes you.
It was a direct reference to something McCain said.
You know it was.
As for the sexist claims... that's whiney bullshit.
And you know it.
Fake outragfe, re-writing history, and whining any time they don't get their was - Standard GOP M.O.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Quote:"petitio principii" is what the ancient Roman Conservapublinecontarian Raptorius was told when he made a similar argument about Nero not really meaning what he said.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
It was directed toward Palin
You know it was
It was sexist, hate filled and petty.
Standard M.O. For the Left.
Penn Jillette is spot on.
DNC = the party of hate
Meanwhile back at the FF Ranch in modern day...Your fallback position in this argument in which the proposition to be proved is assumed implicitly or explicitly in one of the premises...is fallacious by nature. What kind of debate forum accepts answers like..."Yep it is! because it is, and that's because I said it is!"
Furthermore..."spot on" is an annoying little phrase.
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Bringing this up again because I get the feeling AuCoward has once again checked out of an uncomfortable thread:
"Lipstick on a pig" was phony indignation at its height. There's no actual "there" there - unless you admit that McCain called Hillary a pig. Did he? He used the remark speaking directly about her proposals.
And oh yeah - what was it McCain said about Chelsea Clinton? That she was butt-ugly, or some such?
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It was directed toward Palin
You know it was
It was sexist, hate filled and petty.
Standard M.O. For the Left.
Penn Jillette is spot on.
DNC = the party of hate
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Yes, and the cop-shooting-the-chimp cartoon was directed at Obama.
You know it was.
It was racist, hate-filled, and petty.
Standard M.O. for the Right.
Penn Gillette was right:
GOP = the party of fear! (Fear of the black man, apparently)
Mike
A baby seal walks into a club...
The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".
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Per usual, the Lefties on here have devolved to Troll status, and turend a legitimate thread into a game of kitty table tennis....
You'll excuse me if I sit this one out. Life beckons.
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.
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Again AUTroll runs away with no case.
I was reading in the paper today about this dwarf that got pickpocketed. How could anyone stoop so low?
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Quote:I'm sorry Raptorius...I hadn't seen the cats before. That is frickken hysterical. I was in kind of a bad mood from managing a huge pissing contest at work...till I saw that, thanks. I must be easilly amused.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Per usual, the Lefties on here have devolved to Troll status, and turend a legitimate thread into a game of kitty table tennis....
You'll excuse me if I sit this one out. Life beckons.
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Mal
In all honesty, it's Friday, we've got the weekend ahead and I think we all need a laugh. Glad I could oblige.
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.
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"GOP = the party of fear! (Fear of the black man, apparently)"
Yes, the black man with the BIG stimulus package.
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Yes, the black man with the BIG stimulus package.
Well if THAT can't be taken the wrong way, I don't know what can. LOL
Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas
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Here I go again . . . let's all be honest with ourselves here. Rap included. If Palin hadn't told the "Hockey Mom vs. Pit bull" joke at the convention, then Obama's comment would have meant exactly as he meant it. But because she did, his comment was blown out of proportion. That's my take on it.
I can not comment on the Laura Ingraham thing. I didn't hear it. I only have limited time to listen to The War Room out of Pittsburgh and Hannity. I don't know if it's uncouth to say that she was probably just catering to her audience and let her own sense of humor get away from her. That's what conservative and liberal talk show hosts do. They know what will get their listeners talking. Like the gun thing I mentioned before. Air America KNEW their listeners would get a kick out of the imagery of someone cocking a gun and aiming it at Bush. Sad but true.
Unfortunately, McCain wasn't the first choice of most Conservatives, but they stood behind him because he was a better choice, in their view, than Obama. So when the election was over, the gloves came off, so to speak. The way I understand it, Ms. McCain threw the first punch that hit a nerve and Ingraham swung back. A glancing blow, perhaps, but who knows . . . the joke just didn't work like she probably intended.
Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas
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Quote:And Rapo is SOOO much lower he can only aspire to being one!
Per usual, the Lefties on here have devolved to Troll status
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:And Rapo is SOOO much lower he can only aspire to being one!
Per usual, the Lefties on here have devolved to Troll status
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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.
You sultry minx, stop trying to fall in love w/ me.
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.
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Originally posted by RIPWash:Quote:
Yes, the black man with the BIG stimulus package.
Well if THAT can't be taken the wrong way, I don't know what can. LOL
Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas
I don't think you took it the wrong way. I think you took it exactly how Rue intended it!
"Somebody said that, you know, we're not in President Obama's Final Four, you know. And as much as I respect what he's doing, really, you know, the economy is something that he should focus on, you know, probably more than the brackets. And -- so why would I care about that? I love the guy, and I think he's gonna be great. But -- I love the fact that so many people are filling them out because the game is growing so much."
- Duke basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski
Mike
A baby seal walks into a club...
The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".
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I don't even want to KNOW how kwickie takes a black man's very LARGE stimulus package. 
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.
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Unfortunately, McCain wasn't the first choice of most Conservatives...
Actually, that's been pretty soundly debunked. McCain WAS the first choice, at least of the Republican party, it's delegates, and its voters. That's why he won the nomination with the most delegates, and Romney, Huckabee, and Giuliani didn't. Kinda funny how that works.
I could as easily say that Dubya wasn't the first choice of the American people in 2000, but he's the one who was "selected"...
Mike
A baby seal walks into a club...
The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I don't even want to KNOW how kwickie takes a black man's very LARGE stimulus package.
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.
Well, we all know how YOU take it - any way you can get it! No holes barred, as it were.
Now stop flirting with me, princess.
Mike
A baby seal walks into a club...
The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".
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You'll excuse me if I sit this one out. Life beckons.
And yet, here you still are. Either you were lying, or you have no life.
Or both.
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You're going to have to stop cross pollinating threads w/ out of context comments.
Oh,and you're arguing with yourself, again.
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
You're going to have to stop cross pollinating threads w/ out of context comments.
Oh,and you're arguing with yourself, again.
"cross pollinating"? (I think you mean "cross-pollenating", by the way)
"out of context"?
Did you or did you not post that quote in THIS thread? It's not out of context; it was posted on its own, apart from anything else you had to say, spaced well below your other thoughts in the post, like this:
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You'll excuse me if I sit this one out. Life beckons.
That's a direct grab of YOUR post, YOUR words, YOUR spaces.
You need to figure out what you're talking about, Mary.
"Somebody said that, you know, we're not in President Obama's Final Four, you know. And as much as I respect what he's doing, really, you know, the economy is something that he should focus on, you know, probably more than the brackets. And -- so why would I care about that? I love the guy, and I think he's gonna be great. But -- I love the fact that so many people are filling them out because the game is growing so much."
- Duke basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski
Mike
A baby seal walks into a club...
The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".
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Yeah, what ever . Watching BSG.
As you were.
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.
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Unfortunately, McCain wasn't the first choice of most Conservatives...
Actually, that's been pretty soundly debunked. McCain WAS the first choice, at least of the Republican party, it's delegates, and its voters. That's why he won the nomination with the most delegates, and Romney, Huckabee, and Giuliani didn't. Kinda funny how that works.
I could as easily say that Dubya wasn't the first choice of the American people in 2000, but he's the one who was "selected"...
Mike
A baby seal walks into a club...
The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".
Call me a conspiracy theorist if you'd like, but I clearly remember that the nomination was either going to Gulliani or Romney. They were the front-runners 3/4 of the way through the whole process and somehow McCain mysteriously came from practically last place to win the nomination. There were conspiracies (yes, I admit they quite possibly might have been just theories) that Democrats were going out and voting for him and that's what skyrocketed him ahead of the others. That's how I remember it (and yes, I could be wrong, I admit that). By the time it was Ohio's turn . . . it was a done deal. He was it. I wouldn't have voted for him (for the nomination) and a good many of my friends wouldn't have either.
And do we really need to go with the "W. wasn't elected in 2000 thing? As much as I respect you, Kwicko, I must disagree. Yes, the Supreme Court had to step in. As I remember it, the recount after recount after recount did practically nothing for Gore's overall tally. More votes were counted for each side. Gore wouldn't drop it and kept the country in limbo. SOMEONE had to step in and make a decision. Bush had the most votes (I think . . . possibly). Maybe not by a lot, but he did (I think . . . possibly
).MAN! Can you guys hold a grudge about that!
Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas
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McCain was the choice of the old guard, Country club GOP crowd, but not of the conservative wing. There's no disputing that. Romney was making good headway, until the Huckster released all his delegates and backed McCain, and that sealed the end for the Romney campaign. I don't know what personal ax Huckabee has to grind w/ Romney, but he basically put his personal views over the good of the party and the country in order to sabotage Romney's campaign. Not very Christian, if you ask me.
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.
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And do we really need to go with the "W. wasn't elected in 2000 thing? As much as I respect you, Kwicko, I must disagree. Yes, the Supreme Court had to step in. As I remember it, the recount after recount after recount did practically nothing for Gore's overall tally. More votes were counted for each side. Gore wouldn't drop it and kept the country in limbo. SOMEONE had to step in and make a decision. Bush had the most votes (I think . . . possibly). Maybe not by a lot, but he did (I think . . . possibly ).
Actually, Rip, I'm *NOT* trying to get into that whole thing. And if you'll look up to my earlier post, you'll notice that nowhere in it did I say that "W. wasn't elected".
What I *SAID* was, that Dubya wasn't the first choice of the American people.
If you'd like substantiation for that allegation, go here:
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0876793.html
These are the numbers according to the U.S. Census Bureau. They clearly show that Al Gore won the POPULAR VOTE - hence my words "choice of the American people."
2000 was a rather anomalous election, in that the candidate who won the popular vote was not the candidate who won the electoral vote. When I say Bush was "selected", that's intended with more than just a little bit of tongue in cheek - mostly it's to annoy people like 'Rappy, because they love to think that Obama was "selected" rather than "elected". It's a much more accurate claim to make against Bush, though, since the Supreme Court did indeed select him as the winner.
Hold a grudge? Sure, I s'pose I do to some extent. I can disagree with the Supreme Court's decision, but as someone who holds the U.S. Constitution to be the supreme law of the land, I acknowledge their authority to make that decision, and am bound by honor to abide by it.
Mike
A baby seal walks into a club...
The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".
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Quote:The horiffic change that has caused abominations like Ingraham, Rush, Atwater, Rove, and the entire Fox News lineup, was how Ronald Reagan let Jerry Falwell's religion into a government with a tradition of separation of church and state.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
McCain was the choice of the old guard, Country club GOP crowd, but not of the conservative wing. There's no disputing that. Romney was making good headway, until the Huckster released all his delegates and backed McCain, and that sealed the end for the Romney campaign. I don't know what personal ax Huckabee has to grind w/ Romney, but he basically put his personal views over the good of the party and the country in order to sabotage Romney's campaign. Not very Christian, if you ask me.
This incursion of "family christian values" was (is) no better than extremist Islamic governments and the absolutes without tolerance they attempt to enforce.
Romney is a mormon and most Americans think that's wierd. Can the US expect respect from the world with a President that believes we go to another planet when we die and that Jesus wandered around Missouri in the 1800's.
Huckster has his morals screwed on and seems like a decent man. But he's too religious, and religion in government has been a detriment to countries in the middle east and in the USA.
I'll tell you exactly what your Republican party needs Raptorius Republicii.
Fiscal Conservatism = Military spending and
infrastructure spending. Secondary "if money is left over" spending = state bailouts, social programs, and no corporate bailouts period.
Social Libertarianism = Have no government position on gay marriage, divorce, abortion, bigotry, school prayer, ID, or Creationism. And drop the persecution complex about non existant "wars" on christmas, christianity, and white people.
Lastly...loose Rush, Ingraham, Hannity, Hume, O'Reilly, Beck, Savagage, the American Institute, and for the love of God Krauthammer too. I'm sure I left a bunch of partisan hacks out...but you need to replace them all with reporters and journalists. Remember...in better journalistic times...Woodward, a conservative, and Bernstein, a liberal, worked together at the Washington Post to take down Nixon. Would you ever see a conservative commentator these days try to take down Rove, Libby, Gonzalez, Bush, Cheney, or any of those types?
This is a lot more than what you were talking about but I'm just trying to make conversation I guess and tie it to my position that Ingraham must go far away for the good of the country.
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The stupidest conspiracy theory ever - is that there are no conspiracies.
Of COURSE there was a conspiracy against Romney, hell, I happen to have been a part of it, and for damned good reason that has nothin to do with him being a mormon.
See, a lot of his money came from an industry that made it's profit by the torture and abuse of those our law considers subhuman and as such, offers virtually no protection or defense from mistreatment.
And his direct involvement with Mel Sembler and Robert Lichfield, two of the progenitors of this horror, was enough to drive in the stake and turn his own base upon him - cause say what you will about mormons otherwise, no one can deny they do love their kids, family is everything to them, and someone who profits by it's destruction is gonna get short shrift from that community.
So yeah, Huckabee picked up most of Romneys thunder when the ugly truth of where his money came from started making the rounds, and things went from there.
Romney, Torture, and Teens
http://www.reason.com/news/show/121088.html
Once he took that money, there was nowhere far enough to run, nowhere deep enough to hide, that we wouldn't find and harry him for it.
Can you really blame us ?
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Quote:Mitt should have been named Mittiot if he knew "that teens were locked in outdoor dog cages, exercised to exhaustion, deprived of food and sleep, exposed to extreme temperatures without adequate clothing or water, severely beaten, emotionally brutalized, and sexually abused and humiliated. Some were even made to eat their own vomit"
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
The stupidest conspiracy theory ever - is that there are no conspiracies.
Of COURSE there was a conspiracy against Romney, hell, I happen to have been a part of it, and for damned good reason that has nothin to do with him being a mormon.
I've seen these "brat" camps in California and they don't do that kind of horrific stuff. The worst suffering drug offender minors endure is no cell phone, no make up, no video games, washing up in a cold river, foraging for firewood, and cooking camping food. The activities are the cliche' team building excercises. And they are mostly effective in the short run. And a smaller percentage in the long run. Parent's and contributors pay for it so there ain't no tax bucks going into it.
My question for you Frem...is how much of this reported abuse is really just kids trying to get even, or overprotective unconditionally loving shocked parents displaying that concern, or lawyers, parents, and or kids trying to make money on lawsuits? I don't disbelieve it but troubled teens aren't the most honest. That can be a generalization I know.
For Mittiot to know about these abuses would ruin his career. Why does he still have a career? Also...you're right this has nothing to do with being Mormon
We all now Mormons are all like these folks
http://www.hbo.com/biglove/
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Quote:The latter part of that tripe is, beyond doubt, the most moronic, and off the chart line of crap - ever. And I'm an atheist.
Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
The horiffic change that has caused abominations like Ingraham, Rush, Atwater, Rove, and the entire Fox News lineup, was how Ronald Reagan let Jerry Falwell's religion into a government with a tradition of separation of church and state.
This incursion of "family christian values" was (is) no better than extremist Islamic governments and the absolutes without tolerance they attempt to enforce.
As for Ingraham et al, they're perfectly fine. What I have to laugh at is the intolerance shown to anything remotely close to religous. Sure, Falwell, the TBN folks and many others are crackpots, but they're still part of our society. Which is why I also think Romeny was a fine choice for President. I don't give a flip about his religious views, as long as he can run the country in a proper and constitutionally sound manner. 60 days into B.O.'s term, and he's already having problems w/ that part.
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Romney is a mormon and most Americans think that's wierd. Can the US expect respect from the world with a President that believes we go to another planet when we die and that Jesus wandered around Missouri in the 1800's.
Huckster has his morals screwed on and seems like a decent man. But he's too religious, and religion in government has been a detriment to countries in the middle east and in the USA.
I'll tell you exactly what your Republican party needs Raptorius Republicii.
Fiscal Conservatism = Military spending and
infrastructure spending. Secondary "if money is left over" spending = state bailouts, social programs, and no corporate bailouts period.
Social Libertarianism = Have no government position on gay marriage, divorce, abortion, bigotry, school prayer, ID, or Creationism. And drop the persecution complex about non existant "wars" on christmas, christianity, and white people.
There have been attempts to de-emphasize Christmas and Christianity, though not all attempts are ill conceived. Some have merit, while others are over zealous swinging of the pendulum in the wrong direction.
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Lastly...loose Rush, Ingraham, Hannity, Hume, O'Reilly, Beck, Savagage, the American Institute, and for the love of God Krauthammer too. I'm sure I left a bunch of partisan hacks out...but you need to replace them all with reporters and journalists. Remember...in better journalistic times...Woodward, a conservative, and Bernstein, a liberal, worked together at the Washington Post to take down Nixon. Would you ever see a conservative commentator these days try to take down Rove, Libby, Gonzalez, Bush, Cheney, or any of those types?
Rush, Ingraham Hannity, etc... aren't reporters, and should not be replaced by reporters. What needs to happen is that the MSM news scene needs to have a complete and total overhaul, and OBJECTIVE reporting make a come back into our society. Lose the Left wing bias, and there won't be a REASON for Right wing talk show host and FOX news.
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.
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The latter part of that tripe is, beyond doubt, the most moronic, and off the chart line of crap - ever.
Until you posted that.
And you don't give a flip about Romney's religion, but I bet that would change if here were a Muslim.
Mike
A baby seal walks into a club...
The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".
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And you don't give a flip about Romney's religion, but I bet that would change if here were a Muslim.
In which case he'd probably advocate the cold blooded murder of his children:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.
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Quote of Heinrich Himmler (Reichsführer-SS):
We were asked: what about the children? I made up my mind to find a clear solution here too. You see, I did not feel I had a right to exterminate the men while allowing the children to grow up and take revenge upon our sons and grandsons. We had to reach the difficult decision of making this nation vanish from the face of the earth.
I was reading in the paper today about this dwarf that got pickpocketed. How could anyone stoop so low?
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Malbad,
We pick our targets carefully - one of the reasons I dislike zealotry as a matter of principle in this work is cause it leads folk to leap before they look and muddies the waters, something I'll touch on again in a moment here.
The horrors described are actually soft-shoeing it, at one point we obtained via subterfuge, a facilities own surveillence camera footage of the staff beating a child to death, a death which up till that point was blamed on a pre-existing medical condition.
Despite eight people being part of the beatdown, and it being on tape, they were still aquitted, this is all too common.
One of the most recent victims, Faith Finley, the death was ruled a homicide by the coroner, and the three workers who committed it were fired, that's it, merely fired - and WILL find employment elsewhere within this industry, also an all too common story.
We're not talking about hurt feelings here, the places we go after KILL some of these kids, kill em hard - what happened to Angie Arndt should never happen to a human being here in america no matter what age they are.
As for you "seeing" these camps - did you actually visit and investigate without calling ahead, or did you just view their own promo video and make assumptions ?
That's how Congressman George Miller got involved - he did a call-ahead inspection and was just a bit suspicious and so came back *without* calling ahead and got the shock of his jaded political life, which is how HR 911 made it to a vote in the house, and it's now currently in committee in the senate.
As for no tax bucks going into it, that also usually means no restriction or regulation, something not in and of itself an awful thing, but worth taking into careful consideration when investigating.
We *always* investigate before we drop the hammer, many of the original pictures and videos that exposed the abuses to begin with were shot by me personally, and I've seen horrors beyond even the imagination of most folk in this work, like what happened at High Impact - and for what, missing curfew a couple times ?
There's no way in hell that girl deserved what was done to her.
Frankly, most of the kids wind up in these places not necessarily cause of their own issues, but cause of their PARENTS issues - drinking, drugs, a morally bankrupt lifestyle, being abusive parents (often due to ignorance more than malice) and getting pissed off when their own child reflects that back at them, or all too often emulates their own behavior.
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My question for you Frem...is how much of this reported abuse is really just kids trying to get even, or overprotective unconditionally loving shocked parents displaying that concern, or lawyers, parents, and or kids trying to make money on lawsuits?
Honestly ?
Almost none - less than 3% of these claims have ever come to be bogus.
Sembler and Lichfield deliberately espouse the "all children are lying manipulators" concept in keeping with Synanon's initial method of discrediting those who fled the cult, but unfortunately the damage done by mass-marketing the concept that all children are manipulative liars is far more damaging on a social level than anyone realizes and feeds heavily into the adversarial nature of adult-child relations in our society.
If they know you will call them a liar, they're no incentive to bother telling you the truth, and that also feeds the perception, but the truth of it is that children are really bad at lying to you, they don't have the range of experience to make it believeable, and cannot maintain the internal consistency required to hold up a deception for any length of time.
Look at some childrens shows who project that moral by pointing our how one lie leads to another till it all comes crashing down, as an example.
Remember, until very recently this whole "all children are liars" thing was the armor plate protecting elements of the catholic church from being called on behavior most people *KNEW* was going on, and ponder for a little while the damage caused to those who were abused wh
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Quote:It's the other way around. Lee Atwater brought scortched earth politics back in style to elect Reagan. Both sides have one up'd each other until the "change" platform. Scortched Earth politics were seen and duplicated by Karl Rove. The Clinton campaign with Dick"head traitor" Morris, James Carville,and others got nasty too in response. But Rove/Bush 2000 and 2004 breathed angry outrage into Fox News, and bad attitudes into Conservapublineocontarians.
Originally posted by AURaptor: the MSM news scene needs to have a complete and total overhaul, and OBJECTIVE reporting make a come back into our society. Lose the Left wing bias, and there won't be a REASON for Right wing talk show host and FOX news.
The whole "change" Obama platform is supposed to be a rational non angry option for Liburuls.
So if Obama's presidency is a success, what will Liberals have to be mad about? Phony outrage will be something Conservapublineocontarians do in a vacuum.
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Re: Mormons and Family
(This bit is also for Rue, since she prolly has an interest)
As for Mormons - I was maybe a little more knowledgeable about em to begin with since I had a few allies in that camp, and when the FLDS matter blew up into just short of an all out war, learned a lot more about both them and their various factions than I really ever wanted to know...
Now that it's almost over I can comment just a little on that, once the children were returned, we aided a general housecleaning of the bad elements, but had not fully factored in just how much of the leadership was involved since we were initially dealing with just YFZ and not the FLDS as a whole - at some point most of them realized just how badly they'd been hung out to dry by their own leadership and privately assisted this, although due to what happened they're not going to give the Baptist elements within the state that started that shit any more ammo by admitting anything at all, and I do not blame them.
Now, they do *not* like me, and I do not like them, I am downright hostile to christian beliefs in general, and my own personal beliefs they're none too fond of the little they know about neither - and yet despite this we had a mutual focus at the time, and our grudging tolerence lead to mutual respect and something a little more from them which I was verymuch unconfortable with, as I am a *terrible* role model, ya might as well build statues of Jayne Cobb as that...
But given the end that it came to, I guess it was inevitable that highly religious folks would start laying divine provinence on something that was really just a lot of hard work, double-dealing and chicanery.
And so, as I have alluded to a time or two before, their spiritual leadership all but collapsed and left them bereft of anyone they could trust, especially when the focus widened to the FLDS as a whole and it became clear how deep the rot was...
And someone, who ain't never gonna admit it cause of the very high likelyhood I will wring their damn neck for it, spilled the fact that I was a Universalist Unitarian Lay Priest to these people.
(Can you just hear the painful groan of misery here? *whine*)
And thus I found myself in the unenviable, and also, sadly, unrefusable, position of being forced to minister to folks of a belief I personally do not much care for because they trusted no one else to do it.
About the only tack I COULD take with that was offering that their trials and troubles were His judgement against them follow allowing these decievers and predators to gain prominence as well as His hand guiding them to scourge them from their church as His son once scourged the moneylenders from the temple, to cast them out as an anethma and danger to the family in penance for their neglect in it's protection - a bitter medicine for the body of the faithful to cast off the taint of infection so that it can grow healthy and strong again... and so on, and so forth.
I confided in one of the more worldly members, that I felt very unconfortable with this since there was no way to seperate my own viewpoint on the matter from the guidance I was trying to offer, and they should "take away a grain of salt with it, to season it", only to get back something along the lines of "God uses what tools he must, even heathens like you."
Apparently I would have made a right good preacher, cause the younger folks really connected when I gave up on trying to quote all that horribly archaic and arcane stuff directly and started putting it into, err.. more modern aspect, cause it really does make more sense that way.
Anyhows, family is everything to Mormons, which made Romney's actions all the more horrifying to them when the truth of them became clear.
-F
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That you compare Christians to Muslims on any level of fanaticism discounts your views as being valid.
If Romney were Muslim, you're damn skippy I'd change my view.
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.
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Lee Atwater hasn't a damn thing to do w/ how Liberal the media is these days. Nice try.
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.
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citizen -
Is the perpetual game you play, where you invert the views of others and then try to paint them as being 180 degrees opposite of what they are some disorder you exhibit offline too, or is it strictly limited to this forum?
Either way, it's an act that's over worn and childish.
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
citizen -
Is the perpetual game you play, where you invert the views of others and then try to paint them as being 180 degrees opposite of what they are some disorder you exhibit offline too, or is it strictly limited to this forum?
Either way, it's an act that's over worn and childish.
Nope. But the game you play is where you let your sociopathic mask slip, showing us all how much of an evil child murder advocating nazi you are, then try to impotently attack anyone who happens to notice.
You said you wanted children murdered. You can't weasel your slimy way out of that one. I'm quoting you, fully and in context, saying you believe children should be murdered. That's a stone around your neck, not mine.
AUReichsführer advocates child murder:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.
I was reading in the paper today about this dwarf that got pickpocketed. How could anyone stoop so low?
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citizen
Just so we're clear, you're 100% fine and in favor of wee little Muslim children, decked out in their Play-School bomber vest, going to murder innocent men, women and other children, ( clearly , you hate the Jews THAT much ) but should anyone DARE to point out that in order to keep from being blown up, the unthinkable might have to be done in the name of self defense, then that makes that person a " sociopath " who is an nazi that supports murdering children.
Sure, the society that PRODUCES blood thirsty zealots who strap bombs on their babies is perfectly sane, but those who want to defend against them are the REAL problem.
I NEVER said I wanted children murdered, you fucking bastard. But deal w/ the reality of what Hamas is doing, and then tell us, what the FUCK you would you do ?
Lemmie guess, bake them all cookies and ask them over for tea and dumplings ?
There's no stone around my neck. If that's the depth at which the Pals are going to sink, I guarantee you're not going to sit there and say.. " Oh, well since it's a child underneath that bomb vest, I'd better not do anything "
You'd shoot the bomber before they had a chance to blow up a crowded restaurant, bus or market, and you'd not give a damn how old the bomber was. They're dead anyways, in that situation, best to only limit the deaths to 1, and not many, many more innocent lives.
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citizen
Just so we're clear, you're 100% fine and in favor of wee little Muslim children, decked out in their Play-School bomber vest, going to murder innocent men, women and other children, ( clearly , you hate the Jews THAT much ) but should anyone DARE to point out that in order to keep from being blown up, the unthinkable might have to be done in the name of self defense, then that makes that person a " sociopath " who is an nazi that supports murdering children.
No. I'm just also not in favour of murdering children, no matter who's children they are. You said you wanted to kill an innocent baby you sick child murdering fuck.
Saying I hate Jews because I don't like the idea of murdering innocent children based on what clothes their parents put in? You really are one deluded fucking monster.
You know, you're not helping your case saying "the unthinkable might have to be done in self-defence", since that's also EXACTLY how Heinrich Himmler justified killing children. I'm not saying you're a nazi that supports child murder, YOU ARE. YOUR WORDS were, and I quote:
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When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.
YOU said that Palestinian children should be murdered. YOUR words closely mirror those spoken by the head of the Nazi SS and Gestapo. YOU are saying you are a Nazi Child Murderer, by advocating child murder using the same flimsy monstrous excuses and reasoning the fucking Nazi's used you despicable monster.
Call me a Jew hater all you want, but there's nothing to support that assertion. It's not a dichotomy you stupid fucking monster, you don't either want to murder fucking innocent children or you hate Jews, you brain dead moron. In what sort of thought process can you possibly get to the point where you think you either support Nazi child murderers, or you hate Jews. You're one screwed up and sick little puppy.
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I NEVER said I wanted children murdered, you fucking bastard. But deal w/ the reality of what Hamas is doing, and then tell us, what the FUCK you would you do ?
Fuck you you lying sack of Nazi shit. Never said you wanted children murdered? NEVER?
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When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.
I suppose by "take care of both of them" you meant give them free healthcare right, you lying sick fuck?
Don't play this "Oh you wouldn't shoot the kid before they blew up a restaurant" bullshit. You were talking about murdering a mother and child before they became a threat, not when they were one. You were talking about a baby, to stop it becoming a terrorist later. You backed it up with pictures of toddlers with TOY fucking guns you lunatic. Because it's so weird for children to play with toy guns? Well, like I've never seen that outside of Gaza! I suppose if I can find pictures of American children playing with toy guns, you'll be 100% behind executing American children right?
I'm going to hang your words around your neck so everyone knows what kind of a person you really are.
AURaptor advocates child murder:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.
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citizen
How's it feel to be so wrong, so often, knowing you're wrong, but having such a shallow sense of self worth, that you can't come to admit it?
How is this fun for you, in the least ? You know i'm not a racist, I don't "advocate " child murder, and here you go, like a blithering idiot that you are, making shit up just so you can go foaming at the mouth and talking shit over the internet, like you can / would do a damn thing about it anyways.
We both know you won't, so what's the point?
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YOUR words closely mirror those spoken by the head of the Nazi SS and Gestapo
No,they don't. None of my words are anywhere near what NAZIS said.
For you to claim that, you'd have to equate the Jews of 1930 Germany to the Pals of present day.
For you to claim that, the Jews of 1930 Germany would have to be equal to the murder-death-cult of the Pals of present day, and everyone knows that's just flat out absurd.
You and Pirate News should start dating ( if you're not already )
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Auraptor parrots the murderous Genocidal opinion of his hero Heinrich Himmler.
Humanity: You're doing it wrong.
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When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.
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Quote of Heinrich Himmler (Reichsführer-SS):
We were asked: what about the children? I made up my mind to find a clear solution here too. You see, I did not feel I had a right to exterminate the men while allowing the children to grow up and take revenge upon our sons and grandsons. We had to reach the difficult decision of making this nation vanish from the face of the earth.
AURaptor advocates child murder:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.
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Repeating a lie over and over, as you've done - again, doesn't make it suddenly come true.
Man, you're such a tool.
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Rapo- your meaning is quite clear: better to 'take care of" innocent children before they grow up to be a problem. Protesting your innocence over and over doesn't make it true.
A wise man might take this as an opportunity to learn- about himself, his assumptions and beliefs, if nothing else. A belief, for example that beliefs are inherited and not amenable to change... which makes killing a requirement. Take this opportunity to learn about your right-wing beliefs, which you have turned into a religion as much as any bible-thumper.
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Repeating a lie over and over, as you've done - again, doesn't make it suddenly come true.
Saying "It's not true" doesn't make this quote any less accurate or true.
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When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.
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Quote of Heinrich Himmler (Reichsführer-SS):
We were asked: what about the children? I made up my mind to find a clear solution here too. You see, I did not feel I had a right to exterminate the men while allowing the children to grow up and take revenge upon our sons and grandsons. We had to reach the difficult decision of making this nation vanish from the face of the earth.
Man, you're such a child murdering Nazi tool.
AURaptor advocates child murder:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.
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Sig,
Your comments would ring true, normally, except for one MAJOR problem. While yes, the children ARE innocent, they're being brain washed ( thus my child abuse remark ) by their parents to not only hate the Jews, but to so loath the existance of Jews that they'd willfully blow themselves and as many innocnet men, women and children to pieces.
The Palestinians had an oppourtunity, a few yrs ago, to establish their own state. Virtually all their demands were met, and instead, they declined the offer. They'd rather live in squalor, with out their own country, than to have to live side by side w/ the Jewish people. So, I ask you, what would happen to that culture, which seeks the annihilation of the Jews, if tomorrow, they could have their own Palestinian state ? You think all those generations of brain washing and hate indoctrination would simply vanish ?
You folks HAVE to stop w/ the knee jerk reactions and THINK about what is being said by others before you post. I suppose I make the error in thinking everyone understands things at least as well as I do.*( Or at the very least, taken time to educate themselves beyond what they see on the nightly news ) My mistake.
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
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citizen - you could not be more wrong. That's the truth, no matter how hard you try to spin it. Waste as much time on here as you like, cut/paste paragraphs until your heart's content, but none of that will change 1 iota of fact.
You're wrong. Plain and simple.
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
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citizen - you could not be more wrong. That's the truth, no matter how hard you try to spin it. Waste as much time on here as you like, cut/paste paragraphs until your heart's content, but none of that will change 1 iota of fact.
AURaptor's statements, unspun and completely unedited:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.
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Quote of Heinrich Himmler (Reichsführer-SS):
We were asked: what about the children? I made up my mind to find a clear solution here too. You see, I did not feel I had a right to exterminate the men while allowing the children to grow up and take revenge upon our sons and grandsons. We had to reach the difficult decision of making this nation vanish from the face of the earth.
The full unblemished truth, the real facts, not the RapFacts. That's the truth, no matter how hard you try to spin it.
AURaptor advocates child murder:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.
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I refuse to believe that the concept of 'context' is foreign to you, you fuzzy little foreigner.
Maybe some day it'll come to you. Maybe.
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I refuse to believe that the concept of 'context' is foreign to you, you fuzzy little foreigner.
The context of the thread was AUReichsführer agreeing with a T-Shirt espousing what a good idea murdering pregnant women is (one shot two kills). How he could possibly think that would put his comments in a better light, is something only he can tell.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.
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Quote of Heinrich Himmler (Reichsführer-SS):
We were asked: what about the children? I made up my mind to find a clear solution here too. You see, I did not feel I had a right to exterminate the men while allowing the children to grow up and take revenge upon our sons and grandsons. We had to reach the difficult decision of making this nation vanish from the face of the earth.
The full unblemished truth, the real facts, not the RapFacts. That's the truth, no matter how hard you try to spin it.
AURaptor advocates child murder:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.
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I refuse to believe that the concept of 'context' is foreign to you, you fuzzy little foreigner.
But isn't it that even in the context of a hate-filled society the words you are quoted as saying imply the killing of an infant because of what it might become?
I don't think that preventative genocide is really what you'd propose as a solution to a hate-supporting society, right? Your words and the justifications you post just make it seem that way.
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Agent..... not 'might' , but IS. Pal mothers are , today, and have been, programing their little cherubs into blind, seething seeds of hatred and death.
They dress them up in mock bomb vest, arm them w/ little plastic guns and toy grenades, all for the sole intent on murdering Jews. Not to go to war, but to simply murder members of another race, simple because they are who they are.
As was so well stated in by King Theoden...
" What can men do against such reckless hate? "
It's not just a line from a movie, but a serious question. For most, it seems that ignoring the hatred will make it go away. I'm not so sure, myself, as it's still around, after so many decades.
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
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citizen,
Your completely edited, out of context quotes by me do nothing but serve to perpetuate the hatred you claim you want to fight against. This crying wolf on your part, accusing those innocent of hating for empty racist, nationalistic or religious reasons does such a disservice to the cause you're feigning to support.
You're nothing but a child, a prepubescent troll who has no concept of morality or decency. All you're interested in is posting b.s. on the internet and sniggering like a school girl every time you get a reply.
The more you reply in such manner, the more and more sad a character you become. If that's even possible. But it shows that not only do you have no life, that you'd feign caring about any damn topic for the sake of insulting strangers on the internet.
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
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AURaptor advocates child murder:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.
Hey- that's kind of sick! Even for HIM!
The cringing Chrisisall
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You see nothing in the least bit sick about suicide wear for babies, yet I'm the one who you feel has the problem?
Wow.
I mean, in all honesty. wow.
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
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Agent..... not 'might' , but IS. Pal mothers are , today, and have been, programing their little cherubs into blind, seething seeds of hatred and death.
They dress them up in mock bomb vest, arm them w/ little plastic guns and toy grenades, all for the sole intent on murdering Jews. Not to go to war, but to simply murder members of another race, simple because they are who they are.
But brainwashing or not, an infant or toddler is hardly capable of hate. They can be used as weapons - maybe - as early as they can walk, but that doesn't make them hateful until their age at least supports the understanding of such concepts.
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As was so well stated in by King Theoden...
" What can men do against such reckless hate? "
It's not just a line from a movie, but a serious question. For most, it seems that ignoring the hatred will make it go away. I'm not so sure, myself, as it's still around, after so many decades.
May I ask you as a direct question, then, whether the appearance you give (of proposing preventative genocide of a hate-filled society, infants and all) is congruent with your actual position or whether this is a misconception based on an unfortunate quote? I honestly can't place your position based on your reply.
I think it's the latter but I'd surly love to hear you say it, and that'd mark the end of my involvement in this thread.
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Quote:To sentence a child who's done nothing wrong yet to death is just somewhat unsettling is all.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You see nothing in the least bit sick about suicide wear for babies, yet I'm the one who you feel has the problem?
The laughing Chrisisall
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Agent,
The topic this thread has taken, which has migrated from another thread, is despicable. We can agree on that.
At the heart of the issue, were t-shirts "some" Israeli MILITARY wore, or maybe they were just for SALE, not intended for the general public. Any military is going to have its own subculture, a part from the general population. ( A line which I think is attributed to a sniper school " You can run, but you'll just die tired " has no place in a civil society, but in context, is more understood and accepted in a military environment. So it is w/ these t-shirts. We'll never have to face what those in the military are trained to encounter , or at least it's hoped none of us will, so I don't know if those vast majority of civilians ever try to understand or take the time to see things from that view point.
We're to be reminded that the purposes of an army is to kill people and break things. As horrific and brutal as it sounds, that's what they do, and that's what those in the military have to come to terms with, every single day. If they DON'T, then they're liable to end up dead, as will their buddies and possibly a whole lot of folks that depend on them doing their job.
Anyway, that's the context of which I see the whole issue. Such messages , imo, are completely out of place in any civil society, and the mere fact so many get offended , I suppose , is a good sign.
If , however, some would take the time to see things from a different point of view, but still stay offended, we might understand ( though not approve ) a bit more.
I got nothing else to say on the matter. (except that citizen is still wrong. Very wrong )
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:To sentence a child who's done nothing wrong yet to death is just somewhat unsettling is all.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You see nothing in the least bit sick about suicide wear for babies, yet I'm the one who you feel has the problem?
The laughing Chrisisall
(replying to this specific issue )
It should be upsetting as to who does the sentencing, the mother , or someone forced into that situation.
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
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Agent..... not 'might' , but IS. Pal mothers are , today, and have been, programing their little cherubs into blind, seething seeds of hatred and death.
Who the hell do they think they are, REPUBLICANS?!
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They dress them up in mock bomb vest, arm them w/ little plastic guns and toy grenades, all for the sole intent on murdering Jews. Not to go to war, but to simply murder members of another race, simple because they are who they are.
I take it you never once played Cowboys & Indians as a child...
Mike
A baby seal walks into a club...
The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".
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AuCoward,
Your completely unedited, out of context quotes by you do nothing but serve to perpetuate the hatred you claim. This crying "terrorist!" on your part, accusing all Muslims of hating for empty racist, nationalistic or religious reasons does such a disservice to the cause you're feigning to support.
You're nothing but a child, a prepubescent troll who has no concept of morality or decency. All you're interested in is posting b.s. on the internet and sniggering like a school girl every time you get a reply.
The more you reply in such manner, the more and more sad a character you become. If that's even possible. But it shows that not only do you have no life, that you'd feign caring about any damn topic for the sake of insulting strangers on the internet.
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. And -- so why would I care about that? I love the guy, and I think he's gonna be great. But -- I love the fact that so many people are filling them out because the game is growing so much. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
There. Fixed that for ya.
Mike
A baby seal walks into a club...
The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".
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Quote:Are you saying we are forced to consider killing children?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
It should be upsetting as to who does the sentencing, the mother , or someone forced into that situation.
Operative much?
The laughing Chrisisall
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kwickie, cowboys and indians?
Wow. I never took you to be that naive, but holy shit, that frankly is stunning in its stupidity and ignorance.
I got nothing to add, I'm so stunned.
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Are you saying we are forced to consider killing children?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
It should be upsetting as to who does the sentencing, the mother , or someone forced into that situation.
Operative much?
The laughing Chrisisall
Quote:
The topic this thread has taken, which has migrated from another thread, is despicable. We can agree on that.
At the heart of the issue, were t-shirts "some" Israeli MILITARY wore, or maybe they were just for SALE, not intended for the general public. Any military is going to have its own subculture, a part from the general population. ( A line which I think is attributed to a sniper school " You can run, but you'll just die tired " has no place in a civil society, but in context, is more understood and accepted in a military environment. So it is w/ these t-shirts. We'll never have to face what those in the military are trained to encounter , or at least it's hoped none of us will, so I don't know if those vast majority of civilians ever try to understand or take the time to see things from that view point.
We're to be reminded that the purposes of an army is to kill people and break things. As horrific and brutal as it sounds, that's what they do, and that's what those in the military have to come to terms with, every single day. If they DON'T, then they're liable to end up dead, as will their buddies and possibly a whole lot of folks that depend on them doing their job.
Anyway, that's the context of which I see the whole issue. Such messages , imo, are completely out of place in any civil society, and the mere fact so many get offended , I suppose , is a good sign.
If , however, some would take the time to see things from a different point of view, but still stay offended, we might understand ( though not approve ) a bit more.
I got nothing else to say on the matter. (except that citizen is still wrong. Very wrong )
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Quote:Ditto-heads... those who act without any self-reflection whatsoever.... will say
Are you saying we are forced to consider killing children? Operative much?
BUT THAT'S DIFFERENT!
That includes Finn, Geezer, and rapo. It's their constant refrain. How they justify doing EXACTLY what their enemies do, and still claim moral high ground.
News-flash for you guys: Its NOT different. Killing is killing, torture is torture, whether in the name of Allah or freedom or capitalism or communism.
The only justification I can see for killing is self-defense or the immediate defense of others. Even then, action will be- SHOULD BE- judged by history as to whether more lives were saved than wasted. Anything else is just so much bullshit.
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Quote:So, that's a yes then.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
We're to be reminded that the purposes of an army is to kill people and break things.
You are an Operative.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Quote:Or busting a cap in every mother***ker's face that looks at you wrong to pre-empt a conflict.
Originally posted by SignyM:
The only justification I can see for killing is self-defense or the immediate defense of others.
You forgot that one.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:So, that's a yes then.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
We're to be reminded that the purposes of an army is to kill people and break things.
You are an Operative.
The laughing Chrisisall
Didn't fathom how much a Kucinich moon bat you were.
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
citizen,
Your completely edited, out of context quotes by me do nothing but serve to perpetuate the hatred you claim you want to fight against. This crying wolf on your part, accusing those innocent of hating for empty racist, nationalistic or religious reasons does such a disservice to the cause you're feigning to support.
Not edited in the slightest. The only editing was to remove your signature. You probably should have changed your original post before making this accusation, then it would have been my word against yours. Unfortunately you were so stupid you've left your words as is, while still trying to claim I edited them. (I suspect now is a bit late though).
Your crazed flailing reeks of the desperation of a Nazi whose mask has slipped, letting in the cold light of day. Which, predictably, is exactly what has happened.
AURaptor advocates child murder:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=37443#687361
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
kwickie, cowboys and indians?
Wow. I never took you to be that naive, but holy shit, that frankly is stunning in its stupidity and ignorance.
I got nothing to add, I'm so stunned.
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.
Maybe you can explain it all to us, then. How is it different? How is a Palestinian kid playing at being a jihadi or freedom fighter radically different from American kids playing cowboys and indians? Did we *not* kill the Indians just because of their race, because they were "different"?
Or are you just too ignorant to see the parallels?
And your little bit about "the purposes of an army is to kill people" simply proves that you have no concept of what the REAL purpose of an army is. Look into the legalities of various types of rifle bullets, and talk to people who have actually been in the army, and you'll quickly realize that a soldier's REAL objective is to take ground and hold it, preferably by WOUNDING the enemy, not killing him. A wounded man takes two or more soldiers out of battle, because he has to be cared for, tended to, and transported. A dead man only removes one person from battle.
Didn't you ever wonder why rifle rounds like hollowpoints and "dum-dum" or "tumbler" rounds were outlawed in warfare? Because they are designed primarily to kill, while a full-metal-jacketed round is designed to go through, leaving a fairly horrific (but fairly clean) hole through a soldier, thus removing him from battle without necessarily killing him.
It harkens back to the days when war was seen as a bit of a gentleman's game.
Look it up.
Mike
A baby seal walks into a club...
The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Didn't fathom
Sad, foolish, bipedal machine.
The laughing Chrisisall
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May I ask you as a direct question, then, whether the appearance you give (of proposing preventative genocide of a hate-filled society, infants and all) is congruent with your actual position or whether this is a misconception based on an unfortunate quote? I honestly can't place your position based on your reply.
AuCoward has never needed a valid reason to advocate the murder of Palestinians. Any reason to kill someone darker than him is a good reason, in his mind.
Mind you, he'll never sign up, never volunteer to DO any of the killing. His place is on the sidelines of history, being the happy cheerleader for thugs and murderers.
Mike
A baby seal walks into a club...
The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".
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He screams against Hamas because they hate the Jews and want to kill them.
Then he supports Israeli soldiers having a "sub-culture" where they reveal in hating Palestinians and killing them.
Because that's like, totally different. Because they're like, an army. And an army is supposed to kill people, but when Hamas does the exact same thing (but only a third effectively) that's like really bad man.
Not that that is in any way a double standard.
The problem with the Israelis and the Palestinians is: They're too damn alike. They're the neighbours that don't get on because of some initial slight blown out of all proportion that neither can really remember; if they'd drop the escalating campaigns they'd find out they really actually quite like each other. The reason they're so murderously opposed is because they're so damn alike.
AURaptor advocates child murder:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=37443#687361
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kwickie, i do apologize.
You ARE that naive. I had no idea.
The U.S. military does not teach how to " wound " its enemy. The message is clear. Kill him, or be killed. Sure, some PC crap might have been circulated around the Pentagon and for public consumption, but go to Paris Island, and you'll see they're not training to 'wound'. There are no artillery shells that 'wound' other tanks. They pierce the armor, and often .... wait a minute.... you ARE pulling my leg! No one is THAT stupid !! ha ha...good one. Ya got me.
Now your whole silly 'cowboys and indians' silliness makes so much more sense!
Funny guy, you.
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.
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Quote:I believe he said he's culturally prejudiced, as opposed to racially.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Any reason to kill someone darker than him is a good reason, in his mind.
That makes it nicer.
If 1/2% of a culture hates you, that culture is fair game. As long as it's a bad culture. And foreign-y.
The laughing Chrisisall
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This is what you support. 
The hatred you cling to is beyond measure. Someone has to stand up for reason and justice. Count me as one of them. The good guys.
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
The U.S. military does not teach how to " wound " its enemy. The message is clear. Kill him, or be killed. Sure, some PC crap might have been circulated around the Pentagon and for public consumption, but go to Paris Island, and you'll see they're not training to 'wound'. There are no artillery shells that 'wound' other tanks. They pierce the armor, and often .... wait a minute.... you ARE pulling my leg! No one is THAT stupid !! ha ha...good one. Ya got me.
Heh, AURaptor's closest contact with the military is that Rambo marthon he watched, and he turns up here chatting about "military docterine", refuting Kwicko's entirely correct statements, with half wit idiotic statements. Now, THATS funny.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
This is what you support.
This is an entirely incorrect statement. NO ONE here has supported the actions of Hamas, they've opposed YOUR gleeful delight in child murder.
YOU however have come out in direct support of Israel, and everything it does. As such, by your own words, you support this:
This image shows Israeli children signing their name and "With love from" on bombs destined to be dropped on Palestinians. IF YOU were consistent you'd be jabbering about executing Israeli children, but you're hatred is only directed at Arab "towel heads" (his own term).
Some images of the people AURaptor supports "dealing with":
Nothing like a massacre to give AURaptor a hard on:
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Someone has to stand up for reason and justice. Count me as one of them. The good guys.
I'm sure we'll count you among those you emulate that came before you:
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Adolf Hitler (1936):
I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work.
Quote:
Adolf Hitler speech before the Reichstag about Jews and international "warmongers," 4 May 1941:
But he who dares to use the word "God" for such devilish activity blasphemes against Providence and, according to our belief, he cannot end except in destruction.
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Adolf Hitler (1945):
Providence shows no mercy to weak nations, but recognizes the right of existence-only of sound and strong nations. …
This Jewish bolshevist annihilation of nations and its western European and American procurers can be met only in one way: by using every ounce of strength with the extreme fanaticism and stubborn steadfastness that merciful God gives to men in hard times for the defense of their own lives. …
We have suffered so much that it only steels us to fanatical resolve to hate Our enemies a thousand times more and to regard them for what they are destroyers of an eternal culture and annihilators of humanity. Out of this bate a holy will is born to oppose these destroyers of our existence with all the strength that God has given us and to crush them in the end. During its 2,000-year history our people has survived so many terrible times that we have no doubt that we will also master our present plight.
AURaptor advocates child murder:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.
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The U.S. military does not teach how to " wound " its enemy. The message is clear. Kill him, or be killed. Sure, some PC crap might have been circulated around the Pentagon and for public consumption, but go to Paris Island, and you'll see they're not training to 'wound'. There are no artillery shells that 'wound' other tanks. They pierce the armor, and often .... wait a minute.... you ARE pulling my leg! No one is THAT stupid !! ha ha...good one. Ya got me.
Go to Parris Island (correct spelling), and you'll see they're not training the U.S. Army for anything. That's a Marine Corps training base.
Supposedly we were discussing the purpose of the ARMY, not the marines...And you are correct - artillery shells don't "wound" tanks - that's why I referred quite specifically to RIFLE ROUNDS. Did you not notice that? A rifle round isn't going to "wound" a tank, either - it will bounce right off.
Maybe you should look into the Stoner series of weapons (M16 family) and see what you can dig up on them. Ever wonder why our troops are using basically a .22 bullet in their main battle rifle, when practically every other military is using 7.62mm (or 30 caliber)? It's because it's more likely to wound, less likely to kill.
Ask some of the soldiers coming home from Iraq; they WANT a round that will kill better, but that's not the goal. After all, as you yourself can attest, you can't torture a dead terrorist, right?
Mike
A baby seal walks into a club...
The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".
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I said U.S " MILITARY", not "Army" ( as if that really matters - at all ) And to point out the absurdity of you claim of a army that "wounds", I specifically made mention of the armor piercing artillery round.
Other things not built to merely 'wound'....
Aircraft carriers
Cruise missiles
ICBMs
Abrams A-1 Tank
F - ANYTHING that flies
B - ANYTHING that flies and bombs
And the latest in line of Howitzers , the M777
It can hurl a 100lb round at 3x the speed of sound for 15 + miles.
" It's merely a flesh wound! " 
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Ever wonder why our troops are using basically a .22 bullet in their main battle rifle, when practically every other military is using 7.62mm (or 30 caliber)? It's because it's more likely to wound, less likely to kill.
Gee, I dunno, might have something to do w/ fighting in and around heavily populated areas, and they want to minimize the risk of civilian deaths ,and a smaller bullet might be about the only way that can be achieved in a combat situation ?
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.
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Gee, I dunno, might have something to do w/ fighting in and around heavily populated areas, and they want to minimize the risk of civilian deaths ,and a smaller bullet might be about the only way that can be achieved in a combat situation ?
I didn't realize Vietnam was such a heavily populated urban area...
Or did you forget that the M16 came into service there?
Mike
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The "On Fire" Economy -
The Dow closed at 10,587.60 on January 20, 2001, the day GW Bush took office. Eight years later, it closed below 8000 on the day he left office - a net loss of 25%. That's what conservatives call an economic "success".
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Iraq, not Vietnam, numb nutz
"As much as I respect what he's doing, really the economy is something he should focus on more than the brackets. "
- Duke University basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski, after Obama snubbed Duke in his Final Four picks.
The U.S. economy WAS on fire under Bush, for 6 years. Until the Democrats took control of Congress. It's been all down hill since then.
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Quote:Stop, Mike. He doesn't get it.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
I didn't realize Vietnam was such a heavily populated urban area...
Or did you forget that the M16 came into service there?
The laughing Chrisisall
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