Edge of Tomorrow
POSTED BY: JEWELSTAITEFAN
UPDATED: Saturday, October 18, 2025 16:24
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Okay:
19:37 - Cage lands on the beach for the first time as a coward, an impostor
20:45 - Rita's ship crash lands
21:15 - Cage loses his helmet
21:21 - Cage sees Rita in action for the first time
21:51 - They look at each other
21:58 - Rita is shot right in front of cage
22:01 - Rita lands dead by Cage's side
22:05 - Cage begins to run away in fear for his life
22:17 - Sgt. Farrell stops Cage from running away and resets his destiny
(the first time Farrell sets his destiny is when he tells Cage he will
be baptised in glorious battle/fiery crucible)
22:21 - Sgt. Farrell tells him he's going to miss his moment (Farrell stops him
from being selfish and a coward, to lead him to his destiny) Farrell is the
key.
22:23 - Griff gives us the jist of the story: "There not supposed to know we're
coming"
Farrell does his best to lead J Squad and all ignore Cage regarding his safety. Cage wanders about completely lost in battle, until.......
23:10 - A mimick pops out of the ground and begins to slaughter J Squad, but they seemingly ignore Cage in the skirmish, until.......
24:00 - Cage kills a mimick. He was not part of the battles before, so he changes the future by affecting the beach landing - Rita is killed, but Cage surprises them instead.................
24:41 - He kills the Alpha and gains the Reset capability; totally by accident
Sgt. Farrell was right, he was baptised. Born Again! He's still a coward, but he begins his journey toward becoming a hero and (I agree with your assessment) the redemption of J Squad in becoming a fighting unit.
It is still my contention that Cage falls in love with Rita upon seeing her on the side of the bus at FOB. The battle scene only presented him with his destiny which Farrell prophesized. Cage now controls the reset.
The next key moment is when Farrell introduces Cage to J Squad and reveals the playing cards................
27:02 - Farrell asks Nance why he hates gambling. "It entertains the notion that our fate is in the hands others than our own."
Is slipped by me several times, but I caught it once and it seemed to remind me of Terminator 2 regarding Fate. Through discipline we are masters of our Fate. Farrell tells Cage he'll come around. He is the harbinger of future actions, as well as the Narrator, the Point of view within the film. He's telling Cage, and us, that he will be the hero.
33:35 - Cage saves Rita in battle and he tells her that she needs to lead them to get off the beach.
Rita tells Cage to come find her. So now comes the ground rules, they explain about the mimicks and what's happening to Cage.
54:33 - Tavern (here's the section that I mention about the Bridge Scene)
Cage is drinking because he's frustrated that they haven't made progress in probably hundreds of attempts to defeat the mimicks.
55:29 - The chap in the pub calls Cage a coward, his former self, and he grimaces because he's no longer a coward. The lights flicker. He runs out of the pub and over to the bridge (This is the scene to which I refer)
55:58 - Cage sees the mimicks in the water by the bridge.
56:05 - The mimicks kill Cage on the bridge.
56:06 - Rita walks into the Training Facility and finds Cage training on his own
(this is the sequence of scenes that I was talking about, when Cage
rededicates himself to training)
56:45 - Carter finds the Omega.
57:11 - Rita tells Cage "You can do this"
After she tells him her middle name he decides to go it alone.
1:10:40 - Even the D.I. that yells at him "on your feet maggot" sees a difference in him
1:11:11 - Cage decides to go after the Omega alone when he goes to see Rita. He knows that if she goes along w=she will not stop.
1:12:00 - He becomes as determined as Rita, tells Griff to get him more ammo.
After that it becomes an army mission for him and Rita
SGG
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Quote:Not accidental. Cage had to know what a Claymore mine is, lunge for it, aim and trigger it. Accidental would be the Alpha triggering the Claymore when it bites off Cage's head.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
24:41 - He kills the Alpha and gains the Reset capability; totally by accident
The movie opened on the 70th anniversary of D-Day. But crash-landing helicopters on the beach at Normandy in order to repeat D-Day was a stupid strategy. Boats stop at the shore; helicopters need not stop. The nice beach at Normandy was the only reason to send boats there, but if you're not in a boat Normandy is not where an Army crosses into France. Pick a better spot, General Brigham! Look at a goddamn map for Christ's sake!
Crossing into France at Normandy must have been the idea of General Brigham (Brendan Gleeson), expecting a repeat of General Eisenhower's historic victory. It's just another reason to hate General Brigham.
The only thing the General did that wasn't reprehensible was to NOT claim for himself personal credit for Paris. He probably feared the media would eventually ask questions about the easy victory and find out he is a big, fat, fast-talking know-nothing. That would be bad for Brigham's future in politics, a future that Cage predicted.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Not accidental. Cage had to know what a Claymore mine is, lunge for it, aim and trigger it. Accidental would be the Alpha triggering the Claymore when it bites off Cage's head.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
24:41 - He kills the Alpha and gains the Reset capability; totally by accident
Killing the Alpha, or defending himself from the Alpha, was intentional. Getting the reset capability was accidental - nobody in J-squad even knew what an Alpha was, let alone they were in the presence of one. Millions of others had died in the face of the enemy, and they knew of none that had obtained this reset ability, so it was an accident which Cage fell into.
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The movie opened on the 70th anniversary of D-Day. But crash-landing helicopters on the beach at Normandy in order to repeat D-Day was a stupid strategy. Boats stop at the shore; helicopters need not stop. The nice beach at Normandy was the only reason to send boats there, but if you're not in a boat Normandy is not where an Army crosses into France. Pick a better spot, General Brigham! Look at a goddamn map for Christ's sake!
Perhaps you are under the illusion that Brigham was making any effort to win the war, when in fact he was making every effort to lose the war, help the Omega win.
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Crossing into France at Normandy must have been the idea of General Brigham (Brendan Gleeson), expecting a repeat of General Eisenhower's historic victory. It's just another reason to hate General Brigham.
The pertinent question is: was he just a moron, or was he a traitor?
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The only thing the General did that wasn't reprehensible was to NOT claim for himself personal credit for Paris. He probably feared the media would eventually ask questions about the easy victory and find out he is a big, fat, fast-talking know-nothing. That would be bad for Brigham's future in politics, a future that Cage predicted.
He wasn't a know-nothing regarding this. He feared that it would be found out that he made every attempt to prevent this victory from happening. After Cage/Rita got the device, he had them apprehended, and got Cage to bleed out, almost surely ending the entire sequence of events - only J-squad agreeing to go on the suicide mission stopped Brigham from successfully giving victory to the Omega. Even allowing Cage to leave the office with the device only occurred after Cage repeatedly told Rita "don't shoot him, yet" which he may have taken as a threat to his life.
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Okay:
1:11:11 - Cage decides to go after the Omega alone when he goes to see Rita. He knows that if she goes along w=she will not stop.
SGG
I don't get this. Did you complete your thought? What do you mean? She will stop when she gets killed. She will get killed in every scenario. When he goes alone, this means she will die on the beach, long before he gets to the helicopter.
What are you talking about here?
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Okay:
19:37 - Cage lands on the beach for the first time as a
defenseless, untrained innocent being led to slaughter. Railroaded to a death sentence.
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coward, an impostor
20:45 - Rita's ship crash lands
21:15 - Cage loses his helmet
21:21 - Cage sees Rita in action for the first time
21:51 - They look at each other
21:58 - Rita is shot right in front of cage
22:01 - Rita lands dead by Cage's side
22:05 - Cage begins to run away in fear for his life
What is he supposed to do? Look at the mimic sternly until they die?
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22:17 - Sgt. Farrell stops Cage from
escaping the certain execution that Farrell has arranged for him.
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running away and resets his destiny
(the first time Farrell sets his destiny is when he tells Cage he will
be baptised in glorious battle/fiery crucible)
22:21 - Sgt. Farrell tells him he's going to miss his moment (Farrell stops him
from being
summarily executed on the battlefield.
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selfish and a coward, to lead him to his destiny) Farrell is the
key.
22:23 - Griff gives us the jist of the story: "There not supposed to know we're
coming"
Farrell does his best to lead J Squad and all ignore Cage regarding his safety. Cage wanders about completely lost in battle, until.......
23:10 - A mimick pops out of the ground and begins to slaughter J Squad, but they seemingly ignore Cage in the skirmish, until.......
Cage is not a threat. Cage is weaponless. Many Rules Of Engagement declare that weapons indicate a target. Although the mimic likely does not consider this, it logically behooves them to target active enemy with weapons as a priority.
J-squad ignores Cage telling them there is a mimic in their midst - serves them right, karma is a biatch.
Cage enables his weapon, safety off. Shoots, gaining attention of the mimic.
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24:00 - Cage kills a mimick. He was not part of the battles before, so he changes the future by affecting the beach landing - Rita is killed, but Cage surprises them instead.................
Then the Alpha arrives to find out what is going on, Cage is out of ammo for his weapon. Cage grabs Claymore from squadmember. This is another weapon, maybe Alpha does not recognize it as such.
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24:41 - He kills the Alpha and gains the Reset capability; totally by accident
Sgt. Farrell was right, he was baptised. Born Again! He's still a coward, but he begins his journey toward becoming a hero and (I agree with your assessment) the redemption of J Squad in becoming a fighting unit.
It is still my contention that Cage falls in love with Rita upon seeing her on the side of the bus at FOB. The battle scene only presented him with his destiny which Farrell prophesized. Cage now controls the reset.
The next key moment is when Farrell introduces Cage to J Squad and reveals the playing cards................
Did not this scene occur in the original sequence? Night before getting reset? You are referring only to the replay of the original scene, right?
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27:02 - Farrell asks Nance why he hates gambling. "It entertains the notion that our fate is in the hands others than our own."
Is slipped by me several times, but I caught it once and it seemed to remind me of Terminator 2 regarding Fate. Through discipline we are masters of our Fate. Farrell tells Cage he'll come around. He is the harbinger of future actions, as well as the Narrator, the Point of view within the film. He's telling Cage, and us, that he will be the hero.
33:35 - Cage saves Rita in battle and he tells her that she needs to lead them to get off the beach.
Rita tells Cage to come find her. So now comes the ground rules, they explain about the mimicks and what's happening to Cage.
Tavern scene comes immediately after Rita tells Cage "training is over, you must find a way off t
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Quote:I go with Moron. Traitor is too difficult for the General.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The pertinent question is: was he just a moron, or was he a traitor? . . . only J-squad agreeing to go on the suicide mission stopped Brigham from successfully giving victory to the Omega.
I'd say it's impossible for the General to make a traitor's deal with the Omega. How would the General communicate? In what language? And why would cynical General trust a deal with a complete stranger from outer space? Besides, the General doesn't need a deal because he's sure he will win, he's so full of it. Once he wins, the world is his, his desires will be fulfilled. What use to General Brigham is the Omega after it is dead?
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Exactly the point I'm making, so you do get it. He cannot save her, so he goes it alone to complete his mission, precisely because his love for her keeps him from completing the mission and defeating the Omega.
Cage doesn't want to see her die, as has happened hundreds of times, he knows she would want to go for broke if she comes along, but she dies anyway.
Geez, do I have to spell everything out. It is obvious what I meant because you asked the very questions, and made the statements that proves my take within the film's context.
SGG
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Okay:
1:11:11 - Cage decides to go after the Omega alone when he goes to see Rita. He knows that if she goes along w=she will not stop.
SGG
I don't get this. Did you complete your thought? What do you mean? She will stop when she gets killed. She will get killed in every scenario. When he goes alone, this means she will die on the beach, long before he gets to the helicopter.
What are you talking about here?
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Please pay attention to the writing here:
He kills the Alpha (connotes that he actively and knowingly killed the Alpha by triggering the Claymore, which is obvious in the film's context when they show Cage purposefully look at the mine, reads the label, and carefully grabs it - trying to do so without alerting the attention of the Big Alien, which we come to know as the Alpha - I'm assuming that Cage knows enough about chain of command when he notices that the mimicks are "reporting" to the Big Blue Alien, hence a possible commander.
Then - gains the Reset capability; totally by accident - this connotes that, in the aftermath, he resets to the moment when he first wakes up at FOB. That's what I was referring to as accidental.
SGG
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Not accidental. Cage had to know what a Claymore mine is, lunge for it, aim and trigger it. Accidental would be the Alpha triggering the Claymore when it bites off Cage's head.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
24:41 - He kills the Alpha and gains the Reset capability; totally by accident
The movie opened on the 70th anniversary of D-Day. But crash-landing helicopters on the beach at Normandy in order to repeat D-Day was a stupid strategy. Boats stop at the shore; helicopters need not stop. The nice beach at Normandy was the only reason to send boats there, but if you're not in a boat Normandy is not where an Army crosses into France. Pick a better spot, General Brigham! Look at a goddamn map for Christ's sake!
Crossing into France at Normandy must have been the idea of General Brigham (Brendan Gleeson), expecting a repeat of General Eisenhower's historic victory. It's just another reason to hate General Brigham.
The only thing the General did that wasn't reprehensible was to NOT claim for himself personal credit for Paris. He probably feared the media would eventually ask questions about the easy victory and find out he is a big, fat, fast-talking know-nothing. That would be bad for Brigham's future in politics, a future that Cage predicted.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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I laughed at Farrell's reaction............classic comic take (Paxton was so damn good in his role)
SGG
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Originally posted by Moose:
Ummm....errr...I laughed when Cruise got hit by the truck.
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01:39 - Cage comes on TV News and wrongly states that "with a limited battle training" they, the UDF, have created a super soldier. Wrong because, as we find out, it takes hundreds of times for him to perfect the use of the Body Armor. Also Rita's hundreds of times (it is presumed) of combat in the field before the mimicks allow her to win at Verdun (as we come to find out later in the film).
The reporting in the film's outset from 1:39 to 2:38 is describing how Rita Vitarski, on her first day, killed hundreds of mimicks. At this point, we know nothing of the why and how of combat with the mimicks, and of Rita's abilities.
We find out much later in the film how wrong those statements are.
Coward - How do I know he's a coward? Read on and learn.
5:12 - After the General tells him he's going to the front with the first wave, Cage tells him that "I do this to avoid doing that" meaning he does Media relations to avoid combat. ROTC in college, lost his advertising firm, "here I am" - not exactly a ringing endorsement of his bravery and willingness to fight for his country.
5:31 - "I'm not a soldier, really!"
5:43 - "Can't stand the sight of blood. Not so much as a paper cut." Then he nervously laughs. The general is not amused.
6:18 - The general does offer him the opportunity to go in with his present rank, but under his command.
6:48 - Cage begins to try and back out of the assignment by attempting to blackmail the general.
As an aside, both the general and Cage have ulterior motives. The general wants to be thought of in a positive light, hence enlisting the skills of Cage as an advertising/media coordinator; and Cage just wants to stay alive by "doing what he does" best, staying out of harm's way. Both he and the general are dicks, but the general has the rank to make things happen.
8:16 - As a result of his futile attempt to blackmail the general, he awakens at Heathrow processing.
Everything that he says and does between 5:10 - 8:16 spells Coward with a capital C, to the point that he risks his rank to stay out of the front lines, as part of a selfish assigned task (further addressed by Farrell later in the film, whereby he states that one man is not more important than the many). Cage is not particularly bright or heroic.
If you feel different, please provide cinematic proof (within the context of the film, please) as to why you feel this is not so. What part of what he tells the general strikes you as heroic? How exactly did he earn his rank as Major?
SGG
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
No, just means I haven't had time. Tell you what, I'm going to re-watch it and then comment this weekend. I need to refresh my memory.
SGG
You meant last weekend?
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