Edge of Tomorrow
POSTED BY: JEWELSTAITEFAN
UPDATED: Saturday, October 18, 2025 16:24
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Originally posted by ecgordon:
Just because something is not specifically stated or shown in the film, it doesn't mean you can't infer certain things based on a character's actions. There is no reason to assume Cage reached his position due to military action or training,
SGG has asked you multiple times to show where in the movie it is shown or stated otherwise, but you have failed to do so.
Logic failure.
We can use things not stated or shown in the film.
I must use things only stated or shown in the film.
Make up your mind.
When I mention things not explicitly stated or shown in the film, these are not allowed.
When SGG uses things he dreamed, fantasized, or conjured, those are solid bits, even when showing his obvious lack of military knowledge.
Come on. A non-commissioned Sergeant has the authority to strip a Filed Grade Commissioned Officer of his rank? You must be joking.
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
JSF, I really enjoy talking about a good movie and figuring out the different meanings and plot twists, but you make it hard to want to continue the discussion.
I am more than willing to discuss anyone's take on a film's theme or a character's motivation. All, like any work of art, stimulates the imagination and stirs the soul.
SGG
I requested your response for a while. You have responded lately.
Thank you for your time.
Regarding my first post/reply yesterday, I mistaken thought I was replying to SGG, but it was Mal4 who prompted my post. Sorry for any confusion there.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:
Just because something is not specifically stated or shown in the film, it doesn't mean you can't infer certain things based on a character's actions. There is no reason to assume Cage reached his position due to military action or training,
SGG has asked you multiple times to show where in the movie it is shown or stated otherwise, but you have failed to do so.
Logic failure.
We can use things not stated or shown in the film.
I must use things only stated or shown in the film.
Make up your mind.
When I mention things not explicitly stated or shown in the film, these are not allowed.
When SGG uses things he dreamed, fantasized, or conjured, those are solid bits, even when showing his obvious lack of military knowledge.
Come on. A non-commissioned Sergeant has the authority to strip a Filed Grade Commissioned Officer of his rank? You must be joking.
SGG may have asked you to point to anything in the film to support your theories, but I didn't. But the truth is, you haven't presented anything either in the film or just implied to support your pronouncements about Cage. You accuse Farrell of stripping Cage of his rank, but that action was taken by Brigham, and it was because of Cage's arrogance that he could threaten a superior officer and walk out on his duty. You've also gone so far as to imply General Brigham was in collusion with the aliens. I have to echo the question, "Where do you come up with this crap?"
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Regarding my first post/reply yesterday, I mistaken thought I was replying to SGG, but it was Mal4 who prompted my post. Sorry for any confusion there.
You were replying to me? Could you please then answer the questions:
1. Can you point out any action Cage takes in the first go around of the time loop that suggests that he does have military combat training?
2. In fact, in previous posts in this thread you were rather strident about how he did NOT have military training, ie the general was a very bad unfair man to send poor untrained Cage to the front with no experience. So which is it?
3. What lines/scenes convinced you? Now, I'm talking about actual things that happen in the movie, not ones you make up in your fuzzy memory.
Addendum...
4. You said, straight up, that Cage was "not, absolutely not" a "trained guy." What is so wrong with you that you feed off being such an obvious moron? Have you no pride?
Now, I don't believe that "JSF" will address any of this directly, because JSF is a cowardly troll who delights in posting wrong shit just to mess with people. ie - all the "That is not in the movie" BS is soooooo ironically funny. JSFtroll wrote a long, detailed post of his/her whacked opinions of this film that was so far off that he/she had to actually admit that none of it was actually in the movie. And yet he/she (River) still wants to be respected as any kind of reasonable voice.
Troll. So clearly troll.
It's not an accident. Just like in RWED, JSF purposely does wrong stuff because he/she knows that that will draw a reaction. He/she is usually too smart to get caught in it so obviously. Not this time!
Moron.
JSF. Please. Entertain me. Do something even more obviously wrong than you have so far. Including: try to respond to this post point by point. Please.
/so entertained!
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Well put! Farrell was, as I have stated in another post, following orders - because that's the soldier he is (old school, regular Army). His reaction, to me, was one of incredulity, like he couldn't wait to get to confab with his fellow DI's and regale them with:
"Wait'll you hear about the one I got today, officer's uni and everything. And would you believe, he interrupted me in the middle of my speech."
To me, he couldn't care less what his (Cage's) story was; no one in his outfit was deserting. Paxton was all kinds of awesome in this small, but pivotal role. I was kind of bewildered that he do not appear at all in the third act, but my guess is they wanted to shift the focus and pace of the film. I reiterate, Farrell, for me, was the narrator in the film providing the logic within the first act and part of the second.
General Brigham was a different story entirely. Upper level brass has an entirely different take on the war, reviewing movements on maps and charts, and the like. I got the feeling that people within his world don't say No much to him. A bureaucrat with military authority and no regard for those in his command, other than to hear them say "Yessir." Farrell would follow orders, but not before giving the general that charming southern smile and I don't care look in his eyes.
These nuances may prove to be too much for JSF to consider.
SGG
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Originally posted by ecgordon:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:
Just because something is not specifically stated or shown in the film, it doesn't mean you can't infer certain things based on a character's actions. There is no reason to assume Cage reached his position due to military action or training,
SGG has asked you multiple times to show where in the movie it is shown or stated otherwise, but you have failed to do so.
Logic failure.
We can use things not stated or shown in the film.
I must use things only stated or shown in the film.
Make up your mind.
When I mention things not explicitly stated or shown in the film, these are not allowed.
When SGG uses things he dreamed, fantasized, or conjured, those are solid bits, even when showing his obvious lack of military knowledge.
Come on. A non-commissioned Sergeant has the authority to strip a Filed Grade Commissioned Officer of his rank? You must be joking.
SGG may have asked you to point to anything in the film to support your theories, but I didn't. But the truth is, you haven't presented anything either in the film or just implied to support your pronouncements about Cage. You accuse Farrell of stripping Cage of his rank, but that action was taken by Brigham, and it was because of Cage's arrogance that he could threaten a superior officer and walk out on his duty. You've also gone so far as to imply General Brigham was in collusion with the aliens. I have to echo the question, "Where do you come up with this crap?"
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Originally posted by second:
Tom Cruise displays something that appears to be telepathy, when it is not that at all. It is precognition or, exactly, seeing the future because he has been there. Cruise is better than River Tam at discovering people's inner secrets. For example:
"Your name is NOT really Ford. Ford was your friend who died in combat on his first day. You took his place and send your paychecks to his family."
That little revelation surprised Ford and the entire platoon. Cruise persuades them to follow him on a suicide mission to Paris. Go or not go, they know they die at dawn. So they go.
IDK.
If they KNOW they die at dawn, on the beach, that would change the story a bit. They needed to BELIEVE he was correct when he said they would die at dawn on the beach - and this mission was actually their only hope of surviving. THAT is what shows their courage and the validity of their redemption, not merely an avoidance of something causing their inevitable death.
this is a quote of a post on the second page of this thread. 10 July.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:I think the alternative ending in the book would make for a very unsatisfying movie. Tom Cruise promises the forever dead, with no hope of a reset, Emily Blunt:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I was disappointed in the ending because it was neatly, but quite abruptly tied up into a cute bow. It was, for me anyways, anti-climatic. But not in a totally dissatisfying way. It's just that after all that brilliant set up during the first 3/4 of the movie, it felt like they rushed those final scenes to fit the movie under a certain time. . . .
In my ending both Rita and Cage get to be heroes.Quote:The book's ending was too Japanese for me.
While I live and breathe, humanity will never fall. I promise you. It may take a dozen years, but I will win this war for you. Even if you won’t be here to see it. You were the only person I wanted to protect, and you were gone.Quote:That's not a good ending for a movie. www.amazon.com/All-Need-Kill-Hiroshi-Sakurazaka/dp/1421527618/
I sat there for some time holding the last cup of coffee she’d ever made, for someone she’d barely known. Its thin aroma stirred in me an insufferable longing and sadness. A small colony of blue-green mold bobbed on the surface of the coffee. Raising the cup to my lips, I drank.
Do you think this is the ending originally in the film - the book's version? Or was it just Cage not surviving the death of Omega?
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Second, I have reviewed your posts in this thread, and, once the film was released, I have enjoyed your replies, and this one I feel is one of the most pertinent of the thread. Thanks for your input.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Master Sergeant Farell didn't last a minute in combat. The Mimics weren't impressed by his swagger. Apparently he wasn't as important as he thought he was in the bigger scheme of things.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
It is also a way to forge unselfishness, contrary to what both Cage and the general had in mind. There is no I in team, etc.
SGG
The results showed on the beach the next day, when J-squad was wiped out just as they deserved - or, more accurately, Farrell deserved.
Have you seen Inception? I did not find any posts by you in the discussion thread for Inception, in the Other Science Fiction Series forum.
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I finally picked up a copy. noticed a few things.
What is with the credits - they were confusing in the theater, and upon further review, they still are.
Brigham's Secretary is Iris but credits list her as Judith.
Who the heck is/was Karen Lord? Was her part cut?
Cool to see Tom Hardy's wife in J-Squad.
Emily's brother Sebastian has credit - was he the guy she squashed before he could complete "Full Metal B-" coming out of the hangar?
Corporal Montgomery is listed in credits as Julie. Was a bunch of her part cut, or did she have a greater interaction with Cage than we saw?
In the book, was their also a retarded General Brigham? Did he also keep trying to lose the war? I understand they were invading Japan, but did they also have a moronic plan to land helicopters on the beach instead of inland? Or are these moronic ideas from the screen adaptation team?
at 20:20-25 the Rules of Engagement are Observed: Kuntz, near Cage, shoots at mimic, and is immediately engaged with return fire missile, holing him. Thus the mimics target those with active munitions, of which Cage has none.
22:20 Farell turns Cage around. Some have claimed Cage is "running away" but in fact Farell and the remnants of J-Squad (Nance, Griff, Skinner, Ford) were not near where Cage was, or else they would have been wiped out under Rita's crashing drop ship (after Kimmel and Kuntz were scratched). Cage was not moving away from J-squad, and had not seen any J-Squad members besides Kimmel and Kuntz after getting feet-down on the beach.
Farell first gives cage speech inside, then on reboot around 26:00 gives speech outside, then on other reboots randomly gives it outside or inside. This is Farell's standard boilerplate speech, given thousands of times over his retarded years, even knows where to continue it after Cage reminds him where he left off. The speech has no relation to Cage. I have tried to delude myself into imagining this yakking has significance such as others here have alluded to, but sorry, it is just boilerplate gibberish.
However, there are a few pertinent points. Farell says, an ironic notion, that Fate is in Hands Other Than Our Own is not allowed. What Farell prohibits is in fact the only truth applied to Cage.
The name of the dam is not Turner, but Curnera Dam, apparently.
Cage is already on at least his 8th reboot before Rita tells him to find her when he wakes up.
At 34:52, he covers up the card game only after Rita tells him to find her - now he has a mission, a goal.
1:10:27 Cage reboots, the sargeant sees that he is despondant, in despair, with the weight of the world on his shoulders. Feisty or bewildered are what is expected.
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Continued from yesterday's post...
Exposed card game first time at 12:33, after first reset 26:59, second reset Cage exposes the cards, don't see again until at least 9th reset when Cage covers up the cards after Rita says to find her, at 34:52.
Pertinent lines:
You are not mentally equipped to fight this thing, and never will be. Cage to doofus Brigham.
Credits: uncredited soldier Johnson is listed at imdb as a black actor, but the MP type escorts for Cage to J-Squad are both white - the guy to the left is Johnson, to the right is Goodman. Sure, more than one Johnson is likely, but the credits shouldn't normally confuse them.
Cage has at least 8 resets before Rita tells him to find her.
At least 17 resets before he gets the Vision of Trap.
At least 29 resets before we see him at the tavern getting a brew.
The helicopter scene with Rita is around 7 in the evening, and Cage has been through this many times by the time we see it. The span of waking on the duffel bags to this is about 24-34 hours each time. He has not mentally gotten sleep because he is training Rita all the time, and she must know this, but Rita complains that SHE is tired and wants to start over.
The 3 sugars scene with Rita. I wonder - is he testing her, to see if she will go along with his idea this time?
I am assuming that the book had much plotting worked out, but had a different point to be made with it's conclusion. The happier ending/outcome came from the treatment, or screenplay, but this adaptation seems also where all the plot holes and problems come from.
I have not reconciled the reset capabilities. Rita says it "resets the day" and from Cage's first time, he would reset to waking that morning in his rack in the J-Squad barracks. But he wakes instead to his recovering from taser on the duffelbags, the afternoon before. All following resets are to the same time, even if he only lasts less than an hour. If the reference is the Omega's sense of day, why would that be to the middle of the day about 18 hours prior? The final destruction of Omega resets to Cage's nap time in the arriving chopper, arriving Whitehall, a few hours before all the other resets.
In training, he is dead after a few hours or more. The beach is the next morning at 0600. The helicopter/farmhouse is about 7pm the day after being tasered. The bar is late morning or noonish of the 2nd day. The bleed out is afternoon of the first day, and the escape after bleedout is about 3am, hours before the beach assault - so the killing of Omega is about 0530 (sunrise).
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