IMF to Kiev - fight for eastern Ukraine or die
POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Tuesday, June 2, 2026 17:17
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M52- At this point, I don't see how they can hold elections, seeing as Ukraine is in civil war. (which, BTW, I predicted.)
So the United States will further sanction Russia because Obama is ASSUMING that Russia is at the heart of all this and has sufficient control to stop the violence. But even if that were the case, it's a one-sided disarmament.
Maybe Russia will simply cut off all gas to the EU. I dunno.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
M52- At this point, I don't see how they can hold elections, seeing as Ukraine is in civil war. (which, BTW, I predicted.)
You and just about every one else. We will see if the elections go through on the 25th.
I'm going to safely assume that the President of the United States know quite a bit more on what is going on then you do.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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FROM YOUR LINK - AND I POSTED THIS EARLIER:
On 21 February, President Yanukovych signed a compromise deal with opposition leaders which would implement constitutional changes to hand powers back to parliament and early elections, to be held by December.
Despite the agreement thousands still protested in central Kiev and took full control of Kiev's government district; they took over the parliament, the president's administration quarters, the cabinet, and the Interior Ministry.[50][51] On 21 February an impeachment bill was introduced in Ukrainian parliament,[52] but no details were provided and the Ukrainian parliament did not vote to impeach Yanukovich according to the legal procedure.[53] On 21 February Yanukovich left for Kharkov to attend a summit of south-eastern regions, according to media reports.
On 22 February, Parliament voted to declare that the chair of the President is vacant due to the fact that Yanukovich left Ukraine and no longer exercises his duties. An editorial in Der Spiegel argued that the vote was unconstitutional.[5]
On 22 February, Parliament named its speaker Oleksandr Turchynov as interim president on 23 February.[1] A warrant for the arrest of Yanukovych was issued by the new government on 24 February.[55] During the next days in Crimea, Russian nationalist politicians and activists organised rallies and urged Russia to help defend Crimea from advancing "fascists" from the rest of Ukraine.[56]
So, he leaves for a meeting and THE VERY NEXT DAY THEY SAY HE'S ABANDONED HIS POSITION.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT ME TO BELIEVE IS A LEGAL AND PROPER PROCEDURE?
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
FROM YOUR LINK - AND I POSTED THIS EARLIER:
On 21 February, President Yanukovych signed a compromise deal with opposition leaders which would implement constitutional changes to hand powers back to parliament and early elections, to be held by December.
Despite the agreement thousands still protested in central Kiev and took full control of Kiev's government district; they took over the parliament, the president's administration quarters, the cabinet, and the Interior Ministry.[50][51] On 21 February an impeachment bill was introduced in Ukrainian parliament,[52] but no details were provided and the Ukrainian parliament did not vote to impeach Yanukovich according to the legal procedure.[53] On 21 February Yanukovich left for Kharkov to attend a summit of south-eastern regions, according to media reports.
On 22 February, Parliament voted to declare that the chair of the President is vacant due to the fact that Yanukovich left Ukraine and no longer exercises his duties. An editorial in Der Spiegel argued that the vote was unconstitutional.[5]
On 22 February, Parliament named its speaker Oleksandr Turchynov as interim president on 23 February.[1] A warrant for the arrest of Yanukovych was issued by the new government on 24 February.[55] During the next days in Crimea, Russian nationalist politicians and activists organised rallies and urged Russia to help defend Crimea from advancing "fascists" from the rest of Ukraine.[56]
What are you pointing to the media reports of were he went? Good for media reports if people in the government could not reach him.
At some point are you going to address the issue of elections being scheduled, which was your main argument for keeping Yanukovych earlier?
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Yes, Miker, this is your very first fact-filled, thoughtful and cordial post on the topic:
Friday, May 2, 2014 9:41 PM
You have however proved your ignorance on all subjects under the sun and your inability to stop yourself from proving it.
Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
It is as plain as what you say is wrong, everything about what you speak is based on your hate.
I am done with trying to cut you slack. To continue discussing this or anything else with you would only mean there is something wrong with me.
You are a disappointment.
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
M52NICKERSON:
"On Maidan, Klitschko announced that he and the opposition would be soon voting on the impeachment of Viktor Yanukovych in parliament, the bill of which was registered in the previous session.[208] In Parliament, Speaker Volodymyr Rybak submitted his resignation, citing alleged illness.[248] Yanukovych's whereabouts were unknown despite media reports he had flown to Kharkiv. Oleksandr Turchynov stated that in fact most of the ministers had disappeared as well as Interior Minister Vitaly Zakharchenko (who is reported to have fled to Belarus[249]) and President Viktor Yanukovych, "The only one legitimate body left is the Verkhovna Rada – so we are here to vote today. The major tasks for today are: to vote for the new speaker, prime minister and interior minister."[208] In the Verkhovna Rada, deputies voted 328:0 (of the 447 deputies)[250] to set the Presidential election date to 25 May.[60][251] The action did not follow the impeachment process as specified by the Constitution of Ukraine (which would have involved formally charging the president with a crime, a review of the charge by the Constitutional Court of Ukraine, and a three-fourths majority vote – i.e. at least 338 votes in favor – by the Rada); instead, the Verkhovna Rada declared that Yanukovych "withdrew from his duties in an unconstitutional manner" and cited "circumstances of extreme urgency" as the reason for early elections.[252] Oleksandr Turchynov was then voted by parliament Chairman of the Ukrainian Parliament and acting President and Prime Minister of Ukraine.[253][254][255]"
Miker:
I sit here knowing the whole world aside from Russia and the two of you I have been arguing with, have excepted the new Ukrainian government as legit, and that makes you by proxy wrong, wrong, wrong. Everyone has suggested you always do this and talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. You have proven them right, right, right. I should tell you, you can't upset me. "Firefly" sorry I couldn't resist.
I said it a long time ago. You don't get it and you never will and that is ok, because here amongst your peers you are known and understood. They knew as with other threads that you will argue something until the others no longer wish to discuss it with you. Not based on the merits of your arguments, but because of your being unteachable.
And for the last time. The Ukraine government is and your opinion does not get a vote.
Again M52NICKERSON, great job.
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"Good for media reports if people in the government could not reach him."
So, he goes out of contact overnight - and THE NEXT DAY they conclude he abandoned his position AND passed a resolution that he should no longer be president. All without a quorum. On top of which, there was no legal constitutional justification for that action. WHATEVER.
As for the election - there are now important difference between what would have happened if it had been allowed to happen AS THE OPPOSITION AGREED TO, and now. The Constitution has been changed. International agreements have been drawn. New (and equally unelected) members of Parliament have been seated. Most important, the person who should be running can't even enter his own country.
So, you too support the coup. And having an election afterwards makes it all OK. Good to know.
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
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Once again, words and facts fail you.
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
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So, got my recipe. chicken, celery, onion, broccoli, water chestnuts, garlic sauce
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Good for media reports if people in the government could not reach him."
So, he goes out of contact overnight - and THE NEXT DAY they conclude he abandoned his position AND passed a resolution that he should no longer be president. All without a quorum. On top of which, there was no legal constitutional justification for that action. WHATEVER.
As for the election - there are now important difference between what would have happened if it had been allowed to happen AS THE OPPOSITION AGREED TO, and now. The Constitution has been changed. International agreements have been drawn. New (and equally unelected) members of Parliament have been seated. Most important, the person who should be running can't even enter his own country.
So, you too support the coup. And having an election afterwards makes it all OK. Good to know.
He and all his ministers go missing overnight, YES. More so when the Parliament is moving to impeach him.
Were did you get they did not have a quorum?
From the Ukraine Constitution:
Article 76.
Constitutional composition of Supreme Soviet of Ukraine - four hundred fifty folk deputies of Ukraine, which are elected on the basis of common, even and direct electoral law by the secret vote.
...
Article 82.
Supreme Soviet of Ukraine works session. Supreme Soviet of Ukraine is plenipotentiary on condition of election more no less as two third from its constitutional composition.
The Parliament needs only 2/3 for a quorum, they had that. They do need 3/4 to remove the President by impeachment but that is not what happened.
Also note this clause:
Article 91.
Supreme Soviet of Ukraine passes acts, decisions and other acts by majority from its constitutional composition, except for the cases foreseen by this
Constitution.
The Ukraine Constitution did not foresee the situation that had.
As for the elections, Yanukovych has a whole 4% popularity so he was going to be a non factor in the elections. Yes circumstance would have been different had they waited, however different does not mean better.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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