IMF to Kiev - fight for eastern Ukraine or die
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UPDATED: Tuesday, June 2, 2026 17:17
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The procedure to remove Yanukovich was not followed. BTW- you can't find the Ukrainian Constitution on the government website, all you get is 404. Apparently it's not in force anymore.
http://www.refworld.org/pdfid/44a280124.pdf
Here is the link, show us where you are right.
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Quote:I read 111. It wasn't difficult.
Originally posted by MIKER:
Not at all. Show me where it says you are right.
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So, was this the procedure followed?
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Ukraine,_2010
Article 111
The President of Ukraine may be removed from office by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine by the procedure of impeachment, in the event that he or she commits state treason or other crime.
The issue of the removal of the President of Ukraine from office by the procedure of impeachment is initiated by the majority of the constitutional composition of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine.
To conduct the investigation, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine establishes a special temporary investigatory commission whose composition includes a special procurator and special investigators.
The conclusions and proposals of the temporary investigatory commission are considered at a meeting of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine.
For cause, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, by no less than two-thirds of its constitutional composition, adopts a decision on the accusation of the President of Ukraine.
The decision on the removal of the President of Ukraine from office by the procedure of impeachment is adopted by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine by no less than three-quarters of its constitutional composition, after the review of the case by the Constitutional Court of Ukraine and the receipt of its opinion on the observance of the constitutional procedure of investigation and consideration of the case of impeachment, and the receipt of the opinion of the Supreme Court of Ukraine to the effect that the acts, of which the President of Ukraine is accused, contain elements of state treason or other crime.
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Ukraine,_2010
Article 111
The President of Ukraine may be removed from office by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine by the procedure of impeachment, in the event that he or she commits state treason or other crime.
The issue of the removal of the President of Ukraine from office by the procedure of impeachment is initiated by the majority of the constitutional composition of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine.
To conduct the investigation, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine establishes a special temporary investigatory commission whose composition includes a special procurator and special investigators.
The conclusions and proposals of the temporary investigatory commission are considered at a meeting of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine.
For cause, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, by no less than two-thirds of its constitutional composition, adopts a decision on the accusation of the President of Ukraine.
The decision on the removal of the President of Ukraine from office by the procedure of impeachment is adopted by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine by no less than three-quarters of its constitutional composition, after the review of the case by the Constitutional Court of Ukraine and the receipt of its opinion on the observance of the constitutional procedure of investigation and consideration of the case of impeachment, and the receipt of the opinion of the Supreme Court of Ukraine to the effect that the acts, of which the President of Ukraine is accused, contain elements of state treason or other crime.
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
Which the president did and the parliament voted him out. Exactly.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The procedure to remove Yanukovich was not followed. BTW- you can't find the Ukrainian Constitution on the government website, all you get is 404. Apparently it's not in force anymore.
Or, the website is down.
You're are right the procedure was not followed, or it seems like it was not.
The Parliament's resolution called Yanukoich leaving Kiev a self-withdrawal.
http://georgia.mfa.gov.ua/en/press-center/news-from-ukraine/717-verkho
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I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Really? Did they follow this entire legal procedure? Yes or no.
Or are legalities triflings to you? "Cause, yanno, if you're steamed enough and you have guns it makes whatever you do right ...
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
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self-withdrawal
doesn't seem to be a parliamentary option
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
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Originally posted by m52nickerson:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The procedure to remove Yanukovich was not followed. BTW- you can't find the Ukrainian Constitution on the government website, all you get is 404. Apparently it's not in force anymore.
Or, the website is down.
You're are right the procedure was not followed, or it seems like it was not.
The Parliament's resolution called Yanukoich leaving Kiev a self-withdrawal.
http://georgia.mfa.gov.ua/en/press-center/news-from-ukraine/717-verkho
vna-rada-ukrajini-uhvalila-postanovu-pro-samousunennya-prezidenta-ukrajini-vid-vikonannya-konstitucijnih-povnovazheny-ta-priznachennya-pozachergovih-viboriv-prezidenta-ukrajini
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
This is a press release from the Embassy of Georgia. It is about the charges and procedure they tried to follow according to the press release. It is in now way complete, and like I said, this link brings you to a press release not into the parliamentary discussions or debates on it's legality. It just says a bit and then gives news updates.
The president at the time had protesters shot and he was corrupt as hell. He abandoned the country and the parliament did what it needed to do to carry on. Remember he emptied his home as he fled. He took all the ill gotten goods he could carry with him. He showed at the time he was not intending to maintain his presidency.
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Really? Did they follow this entire legal procedure (111)? Yes or no.
Or are legalities triflings to you? "Cause, yanno, if you're steamed enough and you have guns it makes whatever you do right ...
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Really? Did they follow this entire legal procedure? Yes or no.
Or are legalities triflings to you?
What legal procedure are you referring? The resolution the Parliament used was not based on impeachment. It was based on Yanukovych leaving the country. It was found he withdrew from his post in a non-constitutional manor.
They than set elections as outlined in the Constitution.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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