IMF to Kiev - fight for eastern Ukraine or die
POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Tuesday, June 2, 2026 17:17
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Everyone else that reads our posts will make up their own minds. I am confident you being an asshole 1kiki has been sufficiently documented.
BYE!
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Yes, well, you still haven't been able to refute my facts or answer my questions. Meanwhile, you adamantly stand on the side of Nazis with guns. I hope you're proud of it, because you're stuck with it.
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
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Originally posted by MIKER:
Everyone else that reads our posts will make up their own minds. I am confident you being an asshole 1kiki has been sufficiently documented.
BYE!
Once 1KIKI and SIGYM make up their minds you are not going to change them. They can be just as bad the RAPPY and JONG.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Yes, don't let the facts I've presented, or your lack of them, or Miker's lack of them, sway you in any way.
"And that's all you've got? Personal insults? Being in a snit? You'd be a lot more convincing if you had some credible facts to back up your claims instead of a childish tantrum."
As an aside - being called names doesn't hurt my feelings in any way. I actually take pride in pissing off the people I piss off.
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
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Apparently elections didn't have the guaranteed outcome the opposition wanted - democratic elections just weren't good enough. So - on with the violent revolt.
Which is strange when you think about it. If they resent being ruled by the provisional government in Kiev, why not just wait a month to vote for a government that will represent the full democratic wishes of the Ukrainian people? The pro-separatist movement has less of the hallmarks of a spontaneous, grass-roots popular uprising than it does of a highly-organised Russia-directed insurgency. The same kind of thing Russia did a few months ago in Crimea.
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Such is your 'democratic' process.
Try this section:
"[59] The Parliament, or Verkhovna Rada, voted 328–0 in favour of impeaching Yanukovych and scheduled new presidential elections for 25 May."
And elsewhere: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yatsenyuk_Government#Parliamentary_voting
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Meanwhile the Wash Post said this about the vote to remove Yanukovych "One caveat: It's not clear whether there were enough legislators present to meet a quorum"
That article is dated 20th Feb, two days before the impeachment vote cited above. I guess the failure of the vote in its first instance gave the fugitive Yanukovych time to flee the country. Any problems with the impeachment vote 328-0 on Saturday 22nd February?
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Let's clear that up first. Why do you support a coup against a democratically elected government by small numbers of armed extremists
Is that how you describe the Maidan revolution? Seriously?
Signy:
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e the fact the the USA spend $5 billion on creating a pro-western movement in Ukraine (according to Victoria Nuland, State Department)
That's not what Nuland has said by the way. She said the USA has spent $5 billion in Ukraine since 1991 to promote democratic institutions. She has specifically denied the US providing any funding for the Maidan uprising. Is there any evidence contradicting her?
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Let's go back to beginnings and talk about it all instead of picking and choosing events - shall we?
Where this started to become problematic IMO was after early elections were agreed to. Elections would have peacefully and - more importantly DEMOCRATICALLY - allowed the entire country to weigh in on whether or not Yanukovych should continue in office. If he was the issue, they had the opportunity to get rid of him. Peacefully. Democratically.
But the opposition, and especially the Nazis, decided not to wait for democratic elections. Instead, they escalated armed violence and illegal political maneuvering.
So, do you support the outcome as representative of the will of the Ukraine people across the ENTIRE COUNTRY? Or do you think people were disenfranchised from expressing their choice because there was no vote?
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
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Nazis? You are ignoring the complete history of the Svobada party. You also forget that the Ukrainian Parliament voted to remove Yanukovych from power. It was the Parliament who also put Olexander Turchynov in place as the interim president.
The opposition did not what to wait for early elections because that would have given Yanukovych to take Russian money and basically ensure some ties to Moscow in the future.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Nazis? You are ignoring the complete history of the Svobada party. You also forget that the Ukrainian Parliament voted to remove Yanukovych from power. It was the Parliament who also put Olexander Turchynov in place as the interim president.
The opposition did not what to wait for early elections because that would have given Yanukovych to take Russian money and basically ensure some ties to Moscow in the future.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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How many of you thought that Saddam had WMD?
Who among you thought that Assad used chemical weapons in Syria?
How many of you were surprised by 9-11?
Did any of you predict the meltdown of 2008?
Who thought that Russia invaded Georgia unprovoked?
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Quote:It was a Parliament which was missing the 35% of its representatives from the south and east who fled because they felt unsafe. Yep, democracy. Ain't it grand???
It was the Parliament who also put Olexander Turchynov in place as the interim president.
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