Gender and Violence and Blame
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Quote:Yes to both questions. Abuse is far more prevalent than studies will ever show, plus, many kids who suffered abuse got into fantasy & SF for escape, so on a Firefly board you will find a higher incidence of it than on a Sport Fishing board IMO.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Has EVERY male on this board experienced abuse as a child???? It seems like nearly everyone (with the exception of rappy, hero and geezer) has experience early abuse. Is this the norm, then??? Or is this just a skewed population?
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Hello,
Re: Inserts - I am not interested in shoving anything up inside my body to prevent rape. I suspect most people feel this way, and not just men. It seems to me that if I shove something up inside myself to fend off a rapist, then the rapist has succeeded in getting something shoved up inside of me. Which was part of the thing I was trying to avoid.
Re: Hormones and violence - I'm sure hormones are related to amplifying emotion, based on experiences with hormonally imbalanced people. But I don't think creating strong emotion is itself enough to create violence. There has to be a willingness to commit the violence in order for this to matter.
Re: Violence - I think teaching empathy and reinforcing a norm of caring for others is the best tool in reducing not only violence, but abuse in general. One thing we must do is remove the idea that there is THEM and there is US. Whenever there's a THEM and US, it becomes easier to abuse people.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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You would literally have to construct a new society to reverse the problem, with its own set of economic and social groups. For example, instead of male-headed families where women are isolated from each other, mixed groups. It's been done with females, it should be able to be done with mixed company of well-meaning people.
Hmm. I am entirely okay with this.
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Re: Inserts - I am not interested in shoving anything up inside my body to prevent rape. I suspect most people feel this way, and not just men. It seems to me that if I shove something up inside myself to fend off a rapist, then the rapist has succeeded in getting something shoved up inside of me. Which was part of the thing I was trying to avoid.
Except you're choosing it, and in the case of women, the inserts won't get you pregnant unless they've been tampered with. Plus, attacker gets punished, spiteful I know, but then I'm just full of spite.
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Stiffer sentences haven't been the answer for other crimes - either non-violent or violent. The death penalty doesn't seem to deter murder, for example. What does seem to work is the perception that you will or won't get caught.
BTW - what I wonder is - what were these men telling themselves that made that attack OK?
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Quote:*shakes head*
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Hmmm... certainly worth thinking about.
I guess what I'm saying is, what about seriously dangerous inserts that women can wear?
That would almost certainly transform a rape into a murder.
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BTW - what I wonder is - what were these men telling themselves that made that attack OK?
Also a point.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:*shakes head*
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Hmmm... certainly worth thinking about.
I guess what I'm saying is, what about seriously dangerous inserts that women can wear?
That would almost certainly transform a rape into a murder.
Not necessarily. There are ways to put on hurt without permanent damage or even piercing.
Also, are we caring about this? Don't rapists tend to get the death penalty in this country anyway?
In my mind rape is already kind of a murder. It's about disrespecting and discarding the life and choice of a person, and many rape victims often die from their own wounds. A rapist is one kinda bastard I don't have any qualms against killing.
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Just wanted to bring this up:
A Place Where Women Rule
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UMOJA, Kenya -- Seated cross-legged on tan sisal mats in the shade, Rebecca Lolosoli, matriarch of a village for women only, took the hand of a frightened 13-year-old girl. The child was expected to wed a man nearly three times her age, and Lolosoli told her she didn't have to.
The man was Lolosoli's brother, but that didn't matter. This is a patch of Africa where women rule.
"You are a small girl. He is an old man," said Lolosoli, who gives haven to young girls running from forced marriages. "Women don't have to put up with this nonsense anymore."
Ten years ago, a group of women established the village of Umoja, which means unity in Swahili, on an unwanted field of dry grasslands. The women said they had been raped and, as a result, abandoned by their husbands, who claimed they had shamed their community.
Stung by the treatment, Lolosoli, a charismatic and self-assured woman with a crown of puffy dark hair, decided no men would be allowed to live in their circular village of mud-and-dung huts.
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What started as a group of homeless women looking for a place of their own became a successful and happy village. About three dozen women live here and run a cultural center and camping site for tourists visiting the adjacent Samburu National Reserve. Umoja has flourished, eventually attracting so many women seeking help that they even hired men to haul firewood, traditionally women's work.
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But the women felt empowered with the revenue from the camping site and their cultural center, where they sell crafts. They were able to send their children to school for the first time, eat well and reject male demands for their daughters' circumcision and marriage.
They became so respected that troubled women, some beaten, some trying to get divorced, started showing up in this little village in northern Kenya. Lolosoli was even invited by the United Nations to attend a recent world conference on gender empowerment in New York.
"That's when the very ugly jealous behaviors started," Lolosoli said, adding that her life was threatened by local men right before her trip to New York. "They just said, frankly, that they wanted to kill me," Lolosoli said, laughing because she thought the idea sounded overly dramatic.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/08/AR2005
070801775_2.html
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Quote:What? No way- they tend to get a brisk slap on the wrists! A year in the pokey, sometimes a fine... unless the victim has a lot of cash.
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Also, are we caring about this? Don't rapists tend to get the death penalty in this country anyway?
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