Gender and Violence and Blame
POSTED BY: Magonsdaughter
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 25, 2026 20:14
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Hello,
Seems this isn't a thread about sharing or learning or enlightenment.
Someone's got a tally of statistics and a bag of conclusions.
What am I here for, then?
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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TONY- What are you here for? To represent the non-aggressive male. To tell us why you're not aggressive, perhaps, or explain to us what you think should be done.
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Sig, I told the board I was a sociopath to keep me fucking honest because I was becoming extremely manipulative. It wasn't to win a point in an argument, it was because it was a necessity.
You bringing up my sociopathy in this thread isn't about keeping me honest, calling me out on misbehaviour towards other people, it's about winning a point in an argument. It cheapens my emotional investment in this argument to a single label, and it cheapens your emotional investment to turn a conversation about other people being RAPED and BEING BLAMED for it into an argument about MY sociopathy.
And I'm saying, this conversation deserves to be about that, solving that problem, and not my sociopathy, which is not even relevant to this because I've never raped someone. The conversation started to turn towards the issue of which gender is more violent, which is something I seriously disagree about, and which I have opinions based on my personal experience about. And perhaps you're right, and I shouldn't even have let the thread derail to THAT. So my sociopathy is just right out then.
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So, enough of you, and back to the discussion at hand.
Splendid.
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"Seems this isn't a thread about sharing or learning or enlightenment.
Someone's got a tally of statistics and a bag of conclusions.
What am I here for, then?"
Uhm ... is that directed at me?
I think it's a general observation across history and cultures. Not that there aren't major exceptions - men who've experienced violence who are not violent, or women with pacifist backgrounds who are violent.
Now generally I don’t go for 'human nature' arguments. So I'm very willing to think there's something in our organization that creates that general effect of more violence in males. Like the aggressive baboons that got killed off by eating tainted meat, leading to a reasonably (for baboons) non-violent society; or the chimps that developed a steep male-dominated hierarchy when food was placed in an easily dominated piles rather than scattered around. Maybe it's a circumstance, maybe it's a fluke of history.
But as for your personal story, or HKC's, or the stories of others, of course I'm interested. Not just b/c they say a lot about people in general, but b/c they say specific things about you, which I find interesting, enlightening, and welcome.
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Quote:I brought up your claimed sociopathy because you said
You bringing up my sociopathy in this thread isn't about keeping me honest, calling me out on misbehaviour towards other people, it's about winning a point in an argument. It cheapens my emotional investment in this argument to a single label, and it cheapens your emotional investment to turn a conversation about other people being RAPED and BEING BLAMED for it into an argument about MY sociopathy.
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Women overwhelm mine, because I'm the main feature in all of the violent episodes I can recall.
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So, enough of you, and back to the discussion at hand. -Signy
Splendid.-Byte
Is that not what you asked for??? As I recall...
Quote:Since this conversation is once again about you, the next time I'm not even going to reply.
And I'm saying, this conversation deserves to be about that, solving that problem, and not my sociopathy, which is not even relevant to this because I've never raped someone. So try something else.
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Seems like I offended the aggressive female and the non-aggressive male on the board. I think I've been pretty clear and consistent in saying there is a lot of overlap, not only between societies but within a society. Two bell curves, with offset averages but a lot of overlap.
Why are some people aggressive? Is is social? Neurodevelopmental? Hormonal? Some combination?
How can we get the violent people to be less violent? How can we encourage victims to protect themselves and each other?
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I wrote that while you wrote yours. There was overlap that has to be allowed for.
So, self defense apparently doesn't protect women against rape. You believe that cooperation does?
What about in Afghanistan where mothers are involved in trading their little girls like chattel to older men for marriage? That's some cooperation.
Actually, perhaps the only way to truly prevent rape is not individual threat, but societal. Perhaps these women in Delhi have a point that when rape is ignored or treated like a slap on the wrist, it's almost encouraged. The punishment for rape has to be serious enough to discourage it.
On the other hand, there are some punishments that can occur before or during the act that don't require strength or fighting skill on the part of the woman. It bothers me that punishment has to wait until AFTER the fact in most cases... When juries have to rely on hearsay, and where victim blaming defenses can come into play.
I guess what I'm saying is, what about seriously dangerous inserts that women can wear? I know for a fact they exist. Maybe men can wear them as well in their vulnerable orifices. This would very likely seriously cut down on all rape, but a question remains about safety for the user and hygiene.
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So my hubby has been insisting I bring this reference to the board:
The Algorithmic Origins of Life
Sara Imari Walker, Paul CW Davies
NASA Astrobiology Institute
Discusses, among other things, the interplay between algorithm and environment.
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Quote:Hmmm... certainly worth thinking about. Wouldn't help in cases of anal rape (unless you wanted an insert in your rectum, too) or penetration by object, which is what apparently did this young woman in. But for the average rape, it would be a little like carrying a weapon... ya never know who might be "packing"!
I guess what I'm saying is, what about seriously dangerous inserts that women can wear?
AFA the women who sell their children like chattel, there is a problem in societies founded on violence which is... well, pretty much all of them. Those on power dribble out a little power to the next down the line to get their "buy in" and so forth and so on down the line, until you reach the most vulnerable and helpless.
You would literally have to construct a new society to reverse the problem, with its own set of economic and social groups. For example, instead of male-headed families where women are isolated from each other, mixed groups. It's been done with females, it should be able to be done with mixed company of well-meaning people.
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yeah, exactly. And I was also thinking about for the rectum as well.
With an object wouldn't be helped by this, unfortunately, but then again surely most rapes and molestation happen organically, so to speak? It seems like an act that doesn't necessarily lend itself to a lot of forethought, so people would use what they're most likely to have immediately on hand, and a body part is more likely to be on hand than anything else. Plus it's the most likely to satisfy whatever rape urge they got.
Maybe daily inserts of some sort, that could help with the hygiene problem. But then you have to worry about assholes at the factory screwing with the inserts. Putting cayenne pepper on them, maybe even ejaculating on them if they're guys.
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