Gender and Violence and Blame
POSTED BY: Magonsdaughter
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 25, 2026 20:14
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It is indeed possible to be too young, too small, too old, or too sick to deliver a proper ass-kicking, and anyone who thinks so is none of the above at the moment.
Nobody knows this more than my hubby, who was a physically intimidating young man- a 6'3" construction worker with lightening-fast reflexes, quick eyes, and ability to read people honed by years of physical and emotional abuse, and war experience at a young age. One of the things he constantly gripes about are the stereotypes of the crippled-but-effective sensei or the slip of a young woman who takes on a half-dozen men twice her size. Mass counts. So does strength. Just wait until you get to be MY age and then tell me about it. I'm sure Niki and Magons feel the same way.
Like I said- division of labor. Not everyone is able to be an ass-kicker, and not everyone should have to be.
I totally feel ya on this - sure I was a terror in my Glory Days, but those were twenty and more YEARS ago...
IMHO Situational Awareness trumps everything, cause that is what allows you to load the odds in your favor, but many folk have psychological issues and blind spots which make that at best, problematic.
Speakin of division of labor, though - back in the day I mostly played the role of Tanker, drawing attention onto myself and trusting in my defenses while my "Bullygirls" actually did the thrashing (kinda like Mal and Zoe in that bar in The Train Job), and so it eventually got around that no matter what she looks like, any girl in my company is there as muscle, and potentially dangerous - as of late I've played on this to protect some who are very much NOT dangerous (except maybe to themselves) by exploiting that assumption - as my sensei pounded into my head the hard way, preventing a fight from ever starting counts as a victory, right ?
Funny cultural bit - worth remembering I lived in a very rough neighborhood and happened to for a lot of it the only "cracker" in the neighborhood, so yeah I know a bit about thug/ghetto culture sure, and while not particularly fond of the musical form, I introduced some locals to a bit of good advice from UTFO, cause they totally had a point...
-Frem
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Not everything, but about 80%. The bigger the discrepancy, the higher the percent. Have you ever tried judo, or karate, or wrestling? I have (judo).
I did about a semestre of judo at school. They taught us to use leverage to try to overcome greater weight and size.
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Quote:There is more than one kind of violence. Some people only pick on the completely defenseless.... young children, the comatose, (yes, seriously) the elderly etc These people don't expect resistance of any sort, and any resistance - no matter how incompetent- will stop them. A little bit of karate, boxing, MMA, even wrestling... anything that teaches you to use your weight and improves your timing... should help.
I did about a semestre of judo at school. They taught us to use leverage to try to overcome greater weight and size.
OTOH, there are an awful lot of people who are used to fighting. They've thrown punches, and taken as many. Some have taken knife wounds or bullets. Momentary pain won't shock them, and landing a few blows won't surprise them into stopping. They know how to use their weight, because they've fought before. Don't count on a few years of training to neutralize their advantage in weight, because they're more experienced than you.
You need to be highly trained and in top form, and used to street fighting, before you could win in a straight-up fight. Not for someone weak, small, sick, out of shape, etc. And if your opponent is a gang member, you better stay out of their turf afterwards because you will never, ever be safe. Your best defense is to be part of a militarized group.
ETA: I just saw the thread on MMA. There is one thing I noticed about any martial art, mixed or not: the fighting is very stylized. It prepares you to counter certain expected blows. But as has been noted, certain things are never done in competition because they're permanently damaging. That is why I said you have to be used to STREET FIGHTING.
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So, I'm sure some of you have seen this...
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NEW DELHI/SINGAPORE (Reuters) - A woman whose gang rape provoked protests and rare national debate about violence against women in India died from her injuries on Saturday, prompting promises of action from a government that has struggled to respond to public outrage.
The unidentified 23-year-old medical student suffered a brain injury and massive internal damage in the December 16 attack and died in hospital in Singapore where she had been taken for treatment....
The woman, beaten, raped and thrown out of a moving bus, had been flown to Singapore in a critical condition by the Indian government on Thursday.
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"Our words shriveled in the face of what she'd been subjected to by the six men travelling on that bus, who spent an hour torturing and raping her, savagely beating up her male friend."
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The victim and her male friend were returning home from the cinema, media reports say, six men on their bus beat them with metal rods and repeatedly raped the woman. Media said a rod was used in the rape, causing internal injuries. Both were thrown from the bus. The male friend survived. The six suspects have all been arrested and are in custody. The attack has put gender issues centre stage in Indian politics. Issues such as rape, dowry-related deaths and female infanticide have rarely entered mainstream political discourse
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The outcry over the attack caught the government off-guard and it was slow to react. It took a week for Singh to make a statement [Kind of like the NRA on the Newtown shooting] on the attack, infuriating many protesters who saw it as a sign of a government insensitive to the plight of women.
The prime minister, a stiff 80-year-old technocrat who speaks in a low monotone, has struggled to channel the popular outrage in his public statements and convince critics that his eight-year-old government will now take concrete steps to improve the safety of women.
"The Congress managers were ham-handed in their handling of the situation that arose after the brutal assault on the girl. The crowd management was poor," a lawmaker from Singh's ruling Congress party said on condition of anonymity.
Commentators and sociologists say the rape has tapped into a deep well of frustration many Indians feel over what they see as weak governance and poor leadership on social issues.
A global poll by the Thomson Reuters Foundation in June found that India was the worst place to be a woman because of high rates of infanticide, child marriage and slavery.
from Yahoos news
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Quote:Good schools will throw any & everything at you, and a serious student will study crazy unorthodox stuff on his or her own.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There is one thing I noticed about any martial art, mixed or not: the fighting is very stylized. It prepares you to counter certain expected blows.
I once had an idiot wanting to fight me on the street, so I picked up a garbage can & pushed it at him and just as he was tossing it aside I kicked him in his knee (not to break it- just to hurt him a bit). Thus endeth the confrontation.
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Quote:Breaks my damn heart. If I say any more about this I'm afraid I'll stray into dark territory.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, I'm sure some of you have seen this...
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Quote:Hey Signy,
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There is one thing I noticed about any martial art, mixed or not: the fighting is very stylized. It prepares you to counter certain expected blows.
I think this may be a natural, but casual observation. In my school there was a general disdain among the instructors for karate for this very reason. Kung fu is generally understood as a "round" form and karate a "straight" form. Of course my kung fu training partook of both styles, but there was a definite bias toward the round forms. But I've learned that every school is gonna have some other school that it looks down on and uses as a negative example (they really do say stuff like "our kung fu is stronger").
Kung fu training would be kinda dumbass if what you're saying were actually true. When you begin your training, and for the first several years, it is all a bunch of formalism and choreography. But as you advance in your training it becomes far more focused on principles of physics and energy. Near the end of my training I was learning how to make of my whole body, or just my lower arm, say, a coiled spring of sorts, I was learning how the muscles and bones interlock and sorta pile on each other and then unpack/uncoil for explosive effect. This was stuff I really couldn't imagine before my training, nor even notice for the first few years of training. But when I look at my cat jumping up on the kitchen counter, now, I see those principles at work. You learn that all real strength is core strength and you learn how to keep from falling down and then if you have to fall, fall perfectly.
Another thing that happens in training is that your whole body becomes astonishingly more resilient. There were punches I took near the end of my training that I'm quite certain would have broken bones years before. It's kinda bizarre, really, the amount of punishment the human body in peak condition can take. I also stopped bruising entirely. I get bruises now, but it's been over ten years since my training days.
Sorry for the threadjack.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Hello,
I hope I would never let such a thing happen were I aware of it.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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http://now.msn.com/priest-says-that-women-bring-abuse-on-themselves
Hello,
My favorite comment was, "So, are little boys too provocative, also?"
Blame the victim is a favorite game amongst abusers wherever you go.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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CHRIS, HK... I have to say my experience with judo was fun, but short. But I experienced it as a kind of dance. When I was paired up with a very strong guy, there wasn't much I could do unless he relaxed a bit, and when I was paired up with a much smaller woman, I had to kind of give her a little assist in throwing me because I could have been a complete sack of potatoes and she wasn't EVER gonna budge me! And when I tried to throw hubby, just for fun, all he did was bend over to accommodate my tugging and laugh.
So what I'm thinking is that you can't just have a few years or a little training to engage in a street fight, you need a LOT of years.
Also, I have the impression... and please correct me if I'm wrong... that certain moves just AREN'T DONE... gouging an eye or breaking a knee for example... they're a little TOO effective. Given that, I wonder if the expert is a little prohibited from areas of defense by long years of deliberate avoidance.
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