Batman Shooting
POSTED BY: ANTHONYT
UPDATED: Monday, August 13, 2012 04:15
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Kiki, yes, I wonder why it is that those who are pro-gun KEEP thinking they could have done something and continue to totally ignore the fact that he was wearing bullet-proof EVERYTHING. There must be something going on there in their minds...I wonder what it is? I wonder if it's tied to the gun mentality? I can't figure it out.
No, I didn't run into the same reporting you did...maybe because I don't watch network news? All I got was the first one you mentioned, and yes, they mentioned he was in the process of quitting the program, but mostly talk about how smart he was and how far he'd gotten. Interesting.
Yeah, well, Mike, we all know...well, those of us with half a BRAIN know...about Drudge and Breitbart. Nobody expected otherwise, tho' I'm sure "some" people would have an excuse or say it wasn't important or something. Eh.
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"maybe because I don't watch network news"
I didn't WATCH it per se - I was doing housework and listening to the TV. So, being that I had a lot to do, I got the LP version of the news 'reporting' as it un- I was going to say unfolded but it was more like unraveled.
SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.
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Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Until our culture stops perceiving the mentally ill as some kind of sideshow, something shameful, something to be shunned, we'll never be able to help people like James Holmes (Even among us here, I'm sure there are several of you who want nothing to do with helping him).
The state of the mental health system in America is apalling, not just in terms of funding and the like, but, more broadly and crucially, in terms of culture.
Whatchu goin' do 'bout it, Willis??
Hey Wish,
Do you ever try to understand what people are talking about before you go off on them? Do you even imagine that you might misunderstand what someone writes online? You have a violent imagination and you seem more than happy to share it with us all at the slightest--and I mean slightest--provocation. You were, of course, one of the people on my mind when I wrote my last post. I sincerely hope that you're a decent, kind-hearted person in real life and that you save all your vitriol for the internet.
Quote:No. You just pulled that out of your--ahem, thin air. Did it feel good?
Want people to turn in people who SUSPECT others of being crazy??
Quote:Do you even conceive of me as a person, that you would talk to me like this?
Mandatory group hugs every five minutes? Sing gospel while the mentals shoot at you?
Quote:What are you talking about now?
Once again, forest for the trees. What is actionable, vs what is moraly correct.
Quote:I was talking about our alienated culture. Our culture that can't even tolerate people being kind to one another without logging our contempt. What goes wrong with the chemistry? Well, the chemistry of male children goes wrong when their lacrimal systems are all but shut down. It's important for humans to cry when the body prompts us to tears. As I suggested in another thread: if a culture were to make a taboo of urination, we would all see how that could lead to serious physical and mental problems. But we in this culture think nothing of telling boys (and girls) to STOP CRYING, YA BABY!
Unless we focus on fixing what the hell goes wrong with the brain chemically, CAN'T DO NOTHIN, CAN'T FIX NOTHIN'. "Group huggies" and "kumbaya moments" DON'T FIX WHAT'S BROKE. Don't even help for more more than a few minutes, if that....
I was in no way implying that hugs and kumbaya were going to fix a damn thing. I was speaking to the pervasive contempt in our culture for healing, for vulnerability and "neediness," exemplified by folks who scoff at people who reach out to other human beings for help and support. If we deride such things when they are as trivial as a group hug, why should anyone be surprised when people with real, deep-rooted problems never seek help until they've gotten to the point when killing a hundred or so people looks like a good idea? I was talking about a need for our culture to evolve a little, to recognize that fucking up children's natural emotional functioning has devastating effects on the culture as a whole. I'd like us to shoot for something higher than "better than the Taliban."
Quote:Yeah, and I was talking about how deeply-rooted our resistance is to create that better way. I was suggesting that your malicious relish in the suffering of others--even mass murders--is part of the problem.
Do I blame people for being crazy, NO. But I gotta hold them as accountable as everyone else until a better way comes along, otherwise all that's left is anarchy.
Quote:And what yo
I WILL NEVER MAKE EXCUSES FOR PEOPLE THAT HURT OTHER PEOPLE WITH IMPUNITY. EVER. YOU CAN'T STICK TO THAT ONE VERY SIMPLE DAMN RULE, YOU GET THE LOONEY BIN OR LETHAL INJECTION.
Makes that simple. And NO, I don't wanna help his ass, those people in that theater coulda just as easily been MY people.
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Kiki: Ah, I get it now. That's a good way to use the TV as radio, and I do it every day while I'm sitting in my recliner working on plants or Occupy signs. One actually rarely has to WATCH TV, especially when it comes to the news...it works better as radio, I have found! I can see where you picked up on what you did, since not focusing on the visual would likely enhance your understanding of the audio. On what stations did you encounter this, if I might ask? Just curious.
I've noticed I pick up on stuff that seems to slide by when I listen rather than pay attention and watch. Something about that, I'm not sure what, but I've felt I picked up on vocal inflections that I might well have missed if watching, with all the visuals and pretty people and, of course, those damned things they stick on the screen all the time to promo something or the scrolling bar on the news. Bah.
Cav, that was beautiful, and Wish's reaction was a perfect illustration of what we hear all the time and read on the internet daily. It seems to be that way with so many people: a blind anger/hatred at the perpetrator and rejection of any compassion. It's simplistic, and people reach for the simple answers far too often. There's nothing I could say that's better than how beautifully you put it, so I'll shut up now. ;o)
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Oh, btw, the vest he wore was armored. There goes your ASSumption of an easy body shot.
http://minx.cc/?post=331266
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...Here's a pdf of a receipt for some of the equipment the shooter purchased. One of the items is called the "Blackhawk Urban Assault Vest". Here's what it looks like:
That's not a bulletproof vest. A clue can be found in the big green open spot in the middle of it. Some would call that "center mass"...
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbloximages.newyork1.vi
p.townnews.com%2Fstltoday.com%2Fcontent%2Ftncms%2Fassets%2Fv3%2Feditorial%2Fd%2F88%2Fd886da6e-d2dd-11e1-a574-0019bb30f31a%2F500a1767ec2b1.pdf.pdf&docid=ad0710d0822d9d3026cf3364b6ff38be&a=bi&pagenumber=1&w=560
A 2 minute search would have discovered this. Supporting evidence delivered. Unless you have some evidence that negates this, I'll have my apology now.
Kwindbago, hot air and angry electrons
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"When I worked in mental health ..."
You were what ... mopping floors?
I was a physical intervention trainer. About half of my time was assigned to direct care on high risk wards. Forensic mostly, adult long term care and in at least one really scary case, adolescent and juvenile.
What's your mental health experience? Patient?
Kwindbago, hot air and angry electrons
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
One more observation - did you all find the spin on the reporting to be, well, head spinning?
Over a couple of hours the description of Holmes went from being a brilliant former PhD candidate in neuroscience to being a (soto voce graduate school) DROPOUT. Two reporters that I heard claimed it was an ego thing, yanno, he peaked in high school and his ego couldn't take the real world. Thank you doctor reporters for your professional diagnoses. Reporting skewed from 'no time for shock, no time to think, no time to mourn let's whore family members to warp-speed celebrate the LIFE of the bodies not yet cold!' to breathless rehashing by people who survived to grave and serious posturing.
It was the internal schism of infotainment for all to see. How can we pitch this event for maximal titillation of our viewing audience and keep on flogging it for gain? It was all their cheap and tawdry wares on display.
The best thing that could have happened is that the judge sealed the court records. The media machine will hopefully starve and move onto easier prey.
Kwindbago, hot air and angry electrons
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Right. I get that you read Ace of Spades HQ and slurp up everything they write, but you don't KNOW what he was wearing any more than they do. All the news has reported was "body armor". You can't know if that receipt was for all the things he got, and even if it was only that one vest, the odds of hitting him anywhere vital, in a smoke-filled room with people screaming and scrambling, is a very poor argument.
In my opinion, anyone who went to the effort of protecting himself with ballistic helmet, a ballistic vest, ballistic leggings, a throat protector, a groin protector, AND tactical gloves wouldn't leave himself open at the most vulnerable area with a vest like that. I mean, he protects his HANDS, throat and crotch, but leaves all that open?? Even Ace writes "Now it's possible the shooter wore that vest over a bulletproof vest..." tho' of course they doubt it. And their additional scenario is straight out of Rambo:Quote:
Heroes, all!
What's more likely (read damned near guaranteed) to happen is that the assailant will be forced to focus his attention on the "victim" that's unexpectedly shooting back at him and away from other potential targets. By choosing to voluntarily place himself at heightened risk, the armed citizen buys time for the unarmed to flee to safety.
Of course, the entire message is to drill home "They're now shamelessly using the shootings in Aurora to try to convince you that concealed carry is a bad thing. Don't believe them." Even if the NRA has scared you guys so badly you actually BELIEVE something will be done (or even TRY to be done) about assault rifles or high-volume mags (the ONLY things anyone has proposed or that would ever have a chance of passing), the NRA themselves know it's laughable.
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Yes, of course, a shooter somewhere in a huge theater filled with smoke and terrified people would easily have been able to pull off a head shot on a moving guy wearing a gas mask. I'm sure Sarah Palin would believe it, you betcha!
there's the head shot. If there's any lesson to take from this incident in regards to concealed carry, it's that a CCW holder can't spend too much time at the range.
We get it; gun bunnies are convinced someone carrying a gun could have somehow "solved" any shooting anywhere by anyone, but nobody can know whether that would be true or not. It's more the insistence of people like you that they COULD have got him in some kind of Rambo-like action that fascinates me. There's something to it, but I can't quite figure out what. Either that you think carrying a gun makes you a potential hero, or invincible, or SOMETHING, but I'm not interested enough to try and figure it out. It's just weird to me, this obsession that if everyone carried guns, any situation could be solved...
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Originally posted by CaveTroll:
So, we have the following opinions,
Guns kill people. (In which case, all of my guns are defective.) Cars kill even more people, every single day. Ted Kennedy's car killed a person. I guess we should outlaw cars. Can't trust 'em. They do things of their own volition.
SWEET JAYSUS SHUT UP!!!! That's it for me, I cant read the rest of your post. If I see this moronic fucking NRA soundbite trotted out once more, I will go postal myself. You realise its the stupist statement ever. See Jason Alexander's response a couple of posts up which you clearly didn't read. And try to be original next time.
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Originally posted by CaveTroll:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
One more observation - did you all find the spin on the reporting to be, well, head spinning?
Over a couple of hours the description of Holmes went from being a brilliant former PhD candidate in neuroscience to being a (soto voce graduate school) DROPOUT. Two reporters that I heard claimed it was an ego thing, yanno, he peaked in high school and his ego couldn't take the real world. Thank you doctor reporters for your professional diagnoses. Reporting skewed from 'no time for shock, no time to think, no time to mourn let's whore family members to warp-speed celebrate the LIFE of the bodies not yet cold!' to breathless rehashing by people who survived to grave and serious posturing.
It was the internal schism of infotainment for all to see. How can we pitch this event for maximal titillation of our viewing audience and keep on flogging it for gain? It was all their cheap and tawdry wares on display.
The best thing that could have happened is that the judge sealed the court records. The media machine will hopefully starve and move onto easier prey.
Wait a sec - you're arguing for LESS transparency and openness in a case dealing with lots of guns and lots of shooting victims?
Huh.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"The groin cup and throat protector have about as much ballistic protection as the kneepads I wear when I'm doing a job that requires me to be on my knees." - Troll
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