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Batman Shooting

POSTED BY: ANTHONYT
UPDATED: Monday, August 13, 2012 04:15
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ANTHONYT

Thursday, July 26, 2012 9:44 PM

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As usual, Troll, you reflect the typical pro-gun advocate's mentality: All or nothing. Has anyone HERE said anything about doing away with guns?

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NOBODY WANTS TO TAKE AWAY ALL THE GUNS IN AMERICA. Can you understand that?

Hello,

I think someone did, a bit back in this conversation or a similar one. I'm not sure if they were an American or someone from another country. I think the latter. In any event, Niki, I suggest you try to wrap your brain around the possibility that some people do in fact feel that way but realize they can't approach such an idea square-on. The membership of the Brady campaign, amongst others, once upon a time approached the topic square-on and then realized that was a bad approach. I don't have cites. You'll either have to believe me on this or not, at your preference. The current strategy, to my mind, involves nibbling the 2nd Amendment to death. You need not agree with that, and I certainly am not in a position to provide proof. Suffice that we both agree the current political winds are not blowing in the direction of abolition. Some of us wish they would, and some of us hope they never do again.

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The thing some people would like, realistically, is SOME gun restrictions

Well, I think you'll find that there ARE some gun restrictions. But more importantly, I think you'll find that 'gun people' do not trust 'non-gun people' to know what the hell they are talking about in regards to guns. I think you'll find that 'gun people' rightfully worry that 'non-gun people' have knee-jerk reactions to guns and invoke law without any serious understanding of the subject matter. It's happened before, so don't dismiss this as a foolish worry. Non-gun people frequently put ink to paper with nothing but myth and innuendo in their brans, and they are generally NOT interested in the points of view or arguments of gun-people.

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like on semi-automatic weapons

This is the kind of thing that makes me worry. What is it that bothers you about semi-automatic weapons that makes you believe they need to be singled out for a special level of control?

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high-yield magazines

Here's a more logical concern, though I promise you there are people who find great utility in such things and have never harmed so much as a fly.

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the ease with which such things are obtained, stuff like that.

I hear this a lot. Things are too easy to get ahold of. I haven't yet heard about the check or balance that would have prevented an aspiring doctor with no criminal history from obtaining anything he likes... unless you want to ban certain things entirely. And if you do, you can understand why law-abiding gun owners might be nervous at your desire to tinker with laws.

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Try to think of it on a nice long line. At one end is "NO GUNS", at the other is "EVERYONE CAN HAVE ANY GUN THEY WANT".

Oh, Niki, that's not the line people are talking about or arguing about. At one end of the line is 'Government Only' and at the other end is 'everybody.' There's no point of the line that says "No Guns" not even in places with severe gun control. If there was ever an honest "no guns for anyone ever" country, I might just be content to live there. But there isn't, and there won't be.

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So if you want to post something that might have validity to the gun issue, try posting something relevant. Or not. 'Sup to you.

Well, you're suggesting some kind of reasonable restrictions. What are they? I'll be glad to discuss them with you in the 'Reasonable Gun Restrictions' thread, and we can talk about how law-abiding doctorate students would be prevented from committing massacre under them.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term fits

RIONAEIRE

Thursday, July 26, 2012 11:08 PM

We don't know what kind of orderly Troll was, so why are we assuming ill of him, just because you disagree with his politics? That's not a fair reason to assume he's abusive to his charges. That's not fair.

I have Kathy Bates on speed dial, mwa ha ha ha (in exaggeratedly evil voice)

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

KWICKO

Thursday, July 26, 2012 11:18 PM

I predict that the GOP will take this opportunity to have yet another vote on outlawing abortion.

KWICKO

Thursday, July 26, 2012 11:22 PM

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
We don't know what kind of orderly Troll was, so why are we assuming ill of him, just because you disagree with his politics? That's not a fair reason to assume he's abusive to his charges. That's not fair.

I have Kathy Bates on speed dial, mwa ha ha ha (in exaggeratedly evil voice)

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

I didn't ever assume that Troll was an orderly. I figured from all his talk of being with the mental patients, he was a patient himself.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"The groin cup and throat protector have about as much ballistic protection as the kneepads I wear when I'm doing a job that requires me to be on my knees." - Troll

PIRATENEWS

Thursday, July 26, 2012 11:34 PM

12 victims died in the Batman Massacre...what a COINCIDENCE!

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Lil Wayne Video Featured Exactly 12 Skeletons in a Theater 3 Days Prior to Batman Massacre
http://www.infowars.com/lil-wayne-video-featured-skeletons-in-a-theate
r-prior-to-batman-massacre/

Either a confession to Operation Northwoods faking deaths of CIA agents with fake funerals, or part of a ritualistic satanic “spell” they try to cast that offers the public a hidden reveal before an actual event takes place, a form of predictive programming and consent by silence.

Just like 9/11 with the Communist COUP rap band's CD label in the summer of 2001, that get the first Commie black "president" "elected":

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread673342/pg1

The Dark Knight Strikes Again founded 9/11 Truth on 10 Sept 2001
http://piratenews-tv.blogspot.com/2008/12/dark-knight-dvd-holy-batshit
-911-truth.html

BATMAN Astonishing Clues: THE BLOOD TRAIL, THE NECK WOUND, AND THE 2ND GAS MASK
There was a second gas mask found lying outside the theater that belonged to the REAL shooter. There is still no known witness-ID of Holmes in the theater. There is only the police claim that they found him, calm and allegedly "confessing" [WITHOUT ADMITTING TO THE SHOOTINGS AND ASKING TO SPEAK WITH A LAWYER], next to his car, after the shooting—or by other accounts, inside his car closest to the theater exit [45 MINUTES AFTER THE SHOOTINGS]. NO PACKAGE WAS EVER FOUND ACTUALLY MAILED TO A PSYCH PROFESSOR.
http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2012/07/26/batman-the-blood-trail-th
e-neck-wound-and-the-2nd-gas-mask/

"Art" at genocidal UN HQ built on slaughterhouse donated by Rockefller jew banksters

Bombshell: Leaked UN Treaty Does Ban Guns in USA signed by Obama THIS WEEK !!!!
Orwellian Double-Speak "Individual rights of STATES" (NATIONS) to start WARS without other nations is OK !!!!!!
Only STATES (NATIONS) have a right to self defense, not individual persons !!!!!!!
"Collective rights" defined as NATIONS joining other nations to start WARS is OK
http://www.infowars.com/bombshell-un-gun-treaty-does-ban-guns/

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CONGRESSMAN RON PAUL MD RESPONDS TO THE DARK KNIGHT MOVIE MASSACRE

The senseless and horrific killings last week at a movie theater in Colorado reminded Americans that life is fragile and beautiful, and we should not take family, friends, and loved ones for granted. Our prayers go out to the injured victims and the families of those killed. As a nation we should use this terrible event to come together with the resolve to create a society that better values life.

We should also face the sober reality that government cannot protect us from all possible harm. No matter how many laws we pass, no matter how many police or federal agents we put on the streets, no matter how routinely we monitor internet communications, a determined individual or group can still cause great harm. We as individuals are responsible for our safety and the safety of our families.

Furthermore, it is the role of civil society rather than government to build a culture of responsible, peaceful, productive individuals. Government cannot mandate morality or instill hope in troubled individuals. External controls on our behavior imposed by government through laws, police, and jails usually apply only after a terrible crime has occurred.

Internal self governance, by contrast, is a much more powerful regulator of human behavior than any law. This self-governance must be developed from birth, first by parents but later also through the positive influence of relatives and adult role models. Beyond childhood, character development can occur through religious, civic, and social institutions. Ultimately, self-governance cannot be developed without an underlying foundation of morality.

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PIRATENEWS

Friday, July 27, 2012 1:43 AM

EXCLUSIVE: ‘Dark Knight’ shooting suspect James Holmes claims amnesia
“He claims he doesn’t know why he’s in jail,” the worker said Thursday. “He asked, ‘Why am I here?’”
www.nydailynews.com/news/national/exclusive-dark-knight-shooting-suspe
ct-james-holmes-claims-amnesia-article-1.1122289

A video of Colorado shooting suspect James Holmes, shot when he was 18, shows the slightly awkward teen speaking to a room full of people at a science camp. The video, obtained by ABC News, shows Holmes at Miramar College in San Diego ... discussing "temporal illusions."

James Holmes’ “Mentor” Admits To Mind Manipulation. John Jacobson, the person James Holmes named as his “mentor” during his science camp presentation on “temporal illusions” and “subjective experience”, can be seen in a video discussing the manipulation of a subject’s order of time perception.

At 1.58 in Jacobson says:

“… it’s possible… for us to manipulate temporal order, we have loads of power over temporal order, if events happen in the order A/B, a good psycho-physicist can have the subject experience it as B/A, this is routine…”

So the accused Batman shooter, who appeared drugged out of his mind during his first court appearance, and the District Attorney later said she had “no information” on whether Holmes was on medication in court [3], is closely associated to a boastful mind manipulator.

But this gets much more interesting…

John Jacobson now completely denies being James Holmes’ ”mentor”, in fact he outright attacks every aspect of James Holmes life [4], from Holmes’ ability to do Flash programming as an intern (who would even dream that Flash programming abilities would be grounds to condemn the academic career of an honors graduate and prestigious grant winner [5] ), to claiming Holmes’ didn’t seem to understand “any of the basic science” [6], to claiming Holmes “just had no interest” in a high school girl Jacobson introduced. [4]

Read the LA Times article below to get a real sense of the tone.

Finally, to top this story off, ABC News has been caught lying, I mean misspeaking, about what the mother Arlene Holmes originally said, the well publicized and over repeated “you have the right person” quote… Mrs. Holmes was simply referring to herself.

This strange and illogical quote was suspect from the very start, but it was repeated, wild details were added to it, but it has no basis in fact.
With all the crack reporting from organizations like ABC News, no one seems to ask the basic question, how exactly did the shooter get in through a closed fire exit door?

Are we to believe he arrive early, set the door ajar, went off to gear up, then returned later without the certainty the door would still be ajar… or perhaps we’re to imagine the shooter arriving at the closed exit door in full gear, gas mask on, not knowing if he could open the door… or perhaps he had some help? [8]

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[1] 2012.7.22 Video Of James Holmes At 18 Years Old Giving Presentation At Science Camp (Mentions His Mentor (John Jacobson) At 0.50) (ABC, youtube.com):

[2] 2010.4.10 How Can We Begin To Define Time?, John Jacobson, Chronicles 1 (Quote At 1.58) (youtube.com):

[3] 2012.7.23 James Holmes, Suspect In Colorado Shooting, Appears In Court (washingtonpost.com):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/suspect-in-color
ado-massacre-due-in-court/2012/07/23/gJQAa3oN4W_print.html
[4] 2012.7.22 Accused Movie Shooter Called A Mediocre Student Intern (John Jacobson Interviewed) (latimes.com):

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-movie-shooting-j
ames-holmes-20120722,0,2746583.story

[5] 2012.7.24 James Holmes Received $26K Grant From Bethesda Based National Institutes Of Health ($26K Stipend AND Paid Tuition For HIGHLY COMPETITIVE Neuroscience Program, One Of Six To Get Prestigious NIH Grant Money) (washington.cbslocal.com):

CHRISISALL

Friday, July 27, 2012 3:26 AM

HK should be our President, or something. He's the best voice on this site.

1KIKI

Friday, July 27, 2012 3:58 AM

"... someone from another country ..."
Australia, I think, perhaps NZ.

"... some people do in fact feel that way ... Suffice that we both agree the current political winds are not blowing in the direction of abolition. Some of us wish they would ..."
Who?

"The current strategy, to my mind, involves nibbling the 2nd Amendment to death."
In what way?

"Suffice that we both agree the current political winds are not blowing in the direction of abolition. ... and some of us hope they never do again."
Again?

"Non-gun people frequently put ink to paper with nothing but myth and innuendo in their bra(i)ns, and they are generally NOT interested in the points of view or arguments of gun-people."
And yet, police departments have major input on gun restrictions. Are they non-gun people?

These extremely vague declamations are not convincing.

SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

1KIKI

Friday, July 27, 2012 4:05 AM

Originally posted by RionaEire:
We don't know what kind of orderly Troll was, so why are we assuming ill of him...

Because he falsely intimated professional expertise with spree killers.

Originally posted by CaveTroll:
When I worked in mental health I worked with 2 spree killers.

SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

SIGNYM

Friday, July 27, 2012 4:42 AM

WISH

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It seems to me there are quite a few here who like to pretend they are saints.
WHAT... A.... JOKE.

Did you people ever stop to think that maybe it's YOUR fault things are sooo messed up? I'm sick of crackers handing out "Get outta trouble FREE" cards to every Schmuck and Sally-sob-story out there. Ya been HAD and ya too busy getting "huggy" to even notice... Put up a picture of murderer hugging a fluffy bunny and I GAR_ON_TEE half the suckers in here would just melt...
Or you could just let Niki TALK him ta death... Talk about scrollin' through stuff, geez.

The general public will never hold themselves accountable. BECAUSE THEY CAN'T.
If you can't handle hurting the "poor wittle murderers' and druggies and child abusers feeewings" you prolly outta step aside and let someone with the balls do it for ya.

Didja ever notice that the nations with the most HUMANE approaches to people actually have very LOW crime and violence rates?? (I point to Europe and MOST other developed nations as examples.)

Of course not!