Batman Shooting

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Uhh, weren't there two by Asians or Koreans last year? The Campus things...

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Until our culture stops perceiving the mentally ill as some kind of sideshow, something shameful, something to be shunned, we'll never be able to help people like James Holms (Even among us here, I'm sure there are several of you who want nothing to do with helping him).
The state of the mental health system in America is apalling, not just in terms of funding and the like, but, more broadly and crucially, in terms of culture.

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Whatchu goin' do 'bout it, Willis??


Want people to turn in people who SUSPECT others of being crazy?? Mandatory group hugs every five minutes? Sing gospel while the mentals shoot at you?

Once again, forest for the trees. What is actionable, vs what is moraly correct.

Unless we focus on fixing what the hell goes wrong with the brain chemically, CAN'T DO NOTHIN, CAN'T FIX NOTHIN'. "Group huggies" and "kumbaya moments" DON'T FIX WHAT'S BROKE. Don't even help for more more than a few minutes, if that....


Do I blame people for being crazy, NO. But I gotta hold them as accountable as everyone else until a better way comes along, otherwise all that's left is anarchy.

Like I said before,





I WILL NEVER MAKE EXCUSES FOR PEOPLE THAT HURT OTHER PEOPLE WITH IMPUNITY. EVER. YOU CAN'T STICK TO THAT ONE VERY SIMPLE DAMN RULE, YOU GET THE LOONEY BIN OR LETHAL INJECTION.
Makes that simple. And NO, I don't wanna help his ass, those people in that theater coulda just as easily been MY people.

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All guns were already banned in the Aurora Victim Disarmament Zone.

At Columbine the cops shots innocent student trying to escape being locked inside with the 4 shooters in the Victim Disarmament Zone.

If the cops had gotten to the Dark Knight Movie Massacre any sooner, they'd have shot as many survivors as possible.

Do you really think the scary Ronald McDonald clown shot all those people? He worked at McDonalds and got a $26,000 grant to work for the National Institutes of Health, and previously for for DARPA (Pentagon). His daddy also worked at DARPA. Alleged shooter James Holmes had a number of links to U.S. government-funded research centers, including the Defense Advance Research Projects Agency, or DARPA, at te "former" U.S. Army’s Fitzsimons Army Medical Center, “to prevent fatigue in combat troops," part of DARPA's “Peak Soldier Performance Program" (doping them out of their minds to kill without remorse and with total amnesia). His father, Dr. Robert Holmes, worked for DARPA to develop “cortronic neural networks” that enable machines to translate aural and visual stimuli and simulate human thinking. Lt. Col. Robert Holmes, the grandfather of James Holmes, was a CIA or DIA spy in the Turkish language at the Army Language School, later the Defense Language Institute, in Monterey, California (the same military installation, incidentally, where alleged 9/11 hijacker Saeed Alghamdi trained).


The Joker has green hair you morons

Obama and his Commie friends say they want to genocide 25-million Americans in death camps. Obama already murders over 50% of all black babies in USA, with taxpayer funds. This week he's signing a treaty at the United Nations to overthrow the US constitution and ban most guns for most people, to make mass roundups safer for cops and soldiers.



Police have ZERO responsibility to protect the sheeple, says the US Supreme Court.

On the same day as the movie massacre, at a medical college in Aurora, police ran a "drill" of a shooter massacre in a movie, using smoke bombs... This is the cover story for the actual false flag psyop, as confessed in Operation Northwoods. Obama already gave 20,000 guns to the Mexican mafiya, to kill 10,000s of people and "justify" banning the 2nd Amendment. Obama enjoys routinely ordering the assassination of people, including US citizens, and has no guilt in killing entire wedding parties of innocent people, so why would he care about a few white taxslaves in a movie theater? His daddy was deported as an illegal alien, along with many other relatives deported as illegal aliens, so why would he care about US citizens? As a Communist, Obama is sworn to overthrow USA, so why would he care about Americans watching a movie? Do the math.

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“The tragedy that played out in an Aurora movie theater Friday was ironically paralleled as a classroom learning experience in a medical school in Parker the same day. Rocky Vista University College of Osteopathic Medicine is in the middle of holding specialized classes in disaster life support for 150 second-year medical students. Along with response to natural disasters like hurricanes and floods and terrorist attacks, one of the scenarios being used to train the students is how to respond if a shooter fires at people in a movie theater and also uses a bomb in the attack. 'The irony is amazing, just amazing,' said Rocky Vista Dean Dr. Bruce Dubin. The shootings in Aurora were incorporated into the teaching Friday, Dubin said."
-Nancy Lofholm, Denver Post, Real life shooting imitates training exercise at Parker medical school, 07/21/2012
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21126462/real-life-shooting-imitates
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"Respondent filed this suit under 42 U.S.C. § 1983 alleging that petitioner viola

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MAGONSDAUGHTER

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 6:03 AM

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And yes, it is a mental-health issue, which again, little or nothing is done about. So many slip through the cracks, or end up on the street, our mental-health system is a disaster. Unfortunately, tho', there is a down side to that, too, in that invariably people look toward easy fixes...like forced medication, of which I, of course, am terrified! There are myriad things we COULD do to solve that problem, but that's not what people look to immediately...and if Romney gets in office, guaranteed mental-health care will LESSEN, not improve. As well as whatever minor gun restrictions that might exist being lifted...

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It's a mental health issue AND a gun issue. SOunds like this guy may have had some sort of massive breakdown, which unfortunatey played out in such a destructive way because of the availability of guns.

It's kind of nuts to me that people can't see the correlation of massive amounts of weaponry available = increased gun deaths. Weird. It's an NRA induced reality.

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The alleged shooter was paid $26,000 research grant by the US Govt National Institutews of Health and DARPA at the
Pentagon. The medical school he was attending was formerly the US Army Medical College. His project for the
Pentagon to manufacture Super Soldiers under mind control.........

Slip him a mickey, dump him in the parking lot, let him play the patsy.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Bourne

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Magons

My take on it -

Well, our Constitution has put us in an odd spot - and I think really twisted the thinking of some people.

The Supreme Court recently held that the Constitution gave individuals the personal right to own guns, for, among other things, individual self-protection. Gone is even the fig-leaf of the 'well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State'. In their zeal to reach a foregone conclusion, I think they turned a blind eye to a few important ideas in the second amendment.

That aside, there are gun-nuts, there are people with guns who aren't nuts, there are nutty people without guns, and then there are the select individuals who are truly nutty but in a particularly armed way. Giving you the eponymous 'nut with a gun'. When it comes to regulating PEOPLE who might own guns and ammo, the problem is when you have crazy people with no official problematic history. People who could probably pass a gun-competency test, pass a background check, and trigger no more than a niggling feeling in their audience that something isn't quite right. But if they were to DEMAND their RIGHT to guns and ammo, with no OFFICIAL barrier, I can't see how that could or would be stopped.

I'm very curious, what would you do to screen out a James Holmes, or a Jared Lee Loughner?

The other thing of course would be to regulate the types and amounts of guns and ammo you can get. I'd go further and say that different batches of gunpowder should be tagged with elements and/ or quantum dots to trace ammo even further. (But I can see the gun-nuts now, dealing in black-market untagged ammo. Finest kind jefe.)

(BTW, when both Obama and Romney state that now is not the time to discuss further gun control it looks like the leaders of both parties are firmly in the pocket of the NRA. Between the banks and insurance companies and the IMF and the IAEA and the NRA and the NSA I'd think they HAVE to get conflicted being served to so many masters.)

Also, this country is an especially callous one. Deep down, people know that hard work and social efforts are for fools. The only measure of worth here is money. And the less money you have, the more disposable you are. That is little Rappy's, Geezer's, ZIT's, Troll's and others avowed ethic. Aside from what it does to individual outlook, it changes how we structure our economy. That's why we have so MANY nuts with guns - instead of investing in them as people who need help we threw them away like broken goods too expensive to fix, only they wouldn't stay thrown.

Anyway, sad to say I don't see this country changing. Not even on something as self-evident as regulating guns and ammo.




SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

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Originally posted by Niki2:

And yes, it is a mental-health issue, which again, little or nothing is done about. So many slip through the cracks, or end up on the street, our mental-health system is a disaster. Unfortunately, tho', there is a down side to that, too, in that invariably people look toward easy fixes...like forced medication, of which I, of course, am terrified! There are myriad things we COULD do to solve that problem, but that's not what people look to immediately...and if Romney gets in office, guaranteed mental-health care will LESSEN, not improve. As well as whatever minor gun restrictions that might exist being lifted...

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It's a mental health issue AND a gun issue. SOunds like this guy may have had some sort of massive breakdown, which unfortunatey played out in such a destructive way because of the availability of guns.

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I think it was a "massive breakdown" long in the making. He'd been amassing weaponry for months, he'd been studying mental disease, etc.; I get the feeling that he knew for a long time that there was something not right with him, and was actually trying to self-diagnose and/or self-medicate, and it slowly unwound for him and then went tragically off the rails.

But yeah, he seems like the classic "shouldn't-be-allowed-anywhere-near-guns" kind of guy, just like Jared Laughner and so many others before him.

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It's kind of nuts to me that people can't see the correlation of massive amounts of weaponry available = increased gun deaths. Weird. It's an NRA induced reality.

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It's kind of nuts to me that people can ONLY see such correlations when they happen across the border in Mexico. When that happens, it's obviously Obama's fault, and not the fault of the criminals, the guns, or anything else.

Call it NRA-induced hysterical blindness.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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I also find it ironic that in the wake of this latest mass shooting, we're once again being told that "this isn't the time" to talk about any kinds of regulations or restrictions on guns or ammo...

... but maybe we should outlaw masks and costumes from movie theaters.

Let's be perfectly clear: James Holmes's red-dyed hair didn't hurt or kill anyone. His guns did.





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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I think the "Asian", etc., which you mentioned, were like Asian-Americans or somesuch, in which case they have lived at least some time in OUR culture, didn't they? I can't say beyond that, but yes, Yinig (I get confused when people change their handles!), there seems to be something about males anyway, tho' I'm not sure why. Certainly our society has problems in the area of different gender attitudes and expectations, but I wouldn't have thought it went that far.

Just reaching here, but I kind of wonder if stress "gets" to guys in different ways than it does women. Certainly women seek help more than men do, and men are less willing to admit weakness or talk about their problems--GENERALLY SPEAKING, mind you. Maybe with men it just builds and builds until they lose it or something. These are extremely stressful and extremely confusing and crazy times, maybe it affects some men that way. Certainly the political rhetoric has been pretty violence-inciting, but obviously it's not politics in the majority of cases...maybe all the violent talk swirling around somehow contributes. Unquestionably I have no answers, or even clues, just speculating here.

Mike...I know where you got the Sudafed thing, and it blew my mind when I heard it, too.

Wish, I may be wrong, but I don't think anyone is advocating group hugs or any of that shit. I think Cav is talking about the fact that if we had a decent mental-health system, fewer people like this would slip through the cracks, which might mean fewer things like this happen.

Personally, it would never enter my head to "help" him after what he did. It's way too late then and I'm not buddhist enough to feel more than compassion for him being so screwed up. He HAS to be in jail or permanently in hospital, and I'm sure he'll be in one or the other. The only reason I don't say "death penalty" is that it costs more taxpayer dollars to go through the long, drawn-out process of the death penalty than it does to keep him locked up the rest of his life. Never said I was a perfect buddhist.]

As an aside, I fully understand but would be awfully grateful if we could avoid stuff like "crazy" and "mentals" and "looney bin". There are plenty of other words and yes, while I definitely differentiate between someone like him and what he's done and the rest of us in the mentally disordered community--NO argument there!--it's uncomfortable to read those words as if they apply to all of us. I'm dx'd bipolar; I've never been violent in my life and, as mentioned, the vast majority of us aren't. Luckily for me I'm bipolar II so never suffered the mania those I described did, or ever will, but I'm nonetheless diagnosed as mentally ill. The guy in question is unquestionably very, very sick and no doubt mentally disturbed to an unimaginable degree, I just don't want to be lumped with him. Only a wish, obviously nobody has to comply.

Jeez, Kiki, that was almost like a PN post--minus all the bullshit, of course. Can't SOMEONE distract him to get him out of our hair? (Hee, hee, hee, visions of someone bending over extending their hand with candy in it calling "Here, PN, here PN boy, come over this way..." )

Magons,

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It's kind of nuts to me that people can't see the correlation of massive amounts of weaponry available = increased gun deaths. Weird. It's an NRA induced reality.

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Mixed with a Wild West mentality, which our country is famous for, yes. Right now, numerous gunbunny politicians/pundits are trying to say this is the wrong time to talk about gun control; one even said it "was offensive to the American people" to talk about it. We all know why, of course, but it would be amusing to watch them try to tamp it down if it weren't so totally sick. Believe me, many, many of us make the connection but, as I sa

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