George Lucas loses his mind
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UPDATED: Monday, October 24, 2011 00:35
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Storymark wrote:
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really? I could see that with some of the extra colonist stuff, though I liked it - but the added subplot with Ripley's dead daughter adds SO much more weight to her drive to save Newt.
Yeah. I didn't think it was needed. Sledgehammer to crack a walnut.
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Originally posted by djd:
Lol ! And rude people are hilarious aren't they? I'm well aware of GLs credits. I was talking about as a film maker and writer not as a technician and a businessman. I guess Howard the Duck is on your must-watch list? Oh, and as big old Indiana Jones fan, Lucas has done as much to stall and bugger-up that franchise than help it. I dare say that if were not for Speilberg we'd have cgi monkeys in Raiders by now....
I was a bit rude, and was just coming back to delete that part (pointless now, I guess), so I appologize for that. Nonetheless, I stand by the rest.
You assumption about the Monkeys in Indy 4, for instance, is nothing but an assumption. Spielberg loves CGI just as much. Plus, if you look back at the story session notes from Raiders, when they were originally conceiving the character and his world - it was Spielberg who always had the strangest, most out-there suggestions, and it was Lucas who made a point of keeping the character grounded and believable. Adding Mutt to 4 was ALL Spielberg.
Insisting that everything goofy comes from Lucas is simply not factual.
Beyond that - he's the most powerful Director in Hollywood - if Spielberg didn't want the monkeys, there would be no monkeys, period.
Maybe you were aware of Lucas' other accomplishments, and intentionally left them out, but you've once again shown you are leaning more on assumption than fact.
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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Storymark wrote:Quote:
really? I could see that with some of the extra colonist stuff, though I liked it - but the added subplot with Ripley's dead daughter adds SO much more weight to her drive to save Newt.
Yeah. I didn't think it was needed. Sledgehammer to crack a walnut.
Wow. Huh.... Couldn't disagree more. But okay...
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Originally posted by ecgordon:
I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I was fed up with Star Wars in 1983 with the appearance of the Ewoks in RotJ. If he issued the first two films of the original trilogy on blu-ray, without the added scenes and FX, just remastering of the original prints, I'd buy them. Otherwise, I'm done with it.
Agreed.. I imagined quite a different story line..where Darth was the clone of Luke's father who was an outcast jedi who turned out to be bobbafet..given that bounty hunter was the only one slick enough to catch them to begin with and since he was hidden behind his helmit..it coulda been a great path to take...but ol George had to go try and sell some little kids on some teddy bears...wtf?
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Originally posted by Oldguy:Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:
I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I was fed up with Star Wars in 1983 with the appearance of the Ewoks in RotJ. If he issued the first two films of the original trilogy on blu-ray, without the added scenes and FX, just remastering of the original prints, I'd buy them. Otherwise, I'm done with it.
Agreed.. I imagined quite a different story line..where Darth was the clone of Luke's father who was an outcast jedi who turned out to be bobbafet..given that bounty hunter was the only one slick enough to catch them to begin with and since he was hidden behind his helmit..it coulda been a great path to take...but ol George had to go try and sell some little kids on some teddy bears...wtf?
....nevermind.
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Originally posted by djd:
Lol ! And rude people are hilarious aren't they? I'm well aware of GLs credits. I was talking about as a film maker and writer not as a technician and a businessman. I guess Howard the Duck is on your must-watch list? Oh, and as big old Indiana Jones fan, Lucas has done as much to stall and bugger-up that franchise than help it. I dare say that if were not for Speilberg we'd have cgi monkeys in Raiders by now....
See this one confuses me. Lucas writes/directs Star Wars episodes I, II, III & IV and is slammed.
Lucas co-writes Indy I, II, III, & IV but Spielberg directs Indy I, II, III, & IV and yet Lucas gets slammed?
How's that work?
Surely some of the blame must go to Spielberg - if you're of the opinion that Crystal Skull was bad. You don't think there's a bias there? Not specifically from you DJD, but in general I mean.
Me I like Crystal skull - but I can see why it's not for everyone, but the vitriol lashed out solely against Lucas... That aint on.
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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:Quote:
Originally posted by djd:
Lol ! And rude people are hilarious aren't they? I'm well aware of GLs credits. I was talking about as a film maker and writer not as a technician and a businessman. I guess Howard the Duck is on your must-watch list? Oh, and as big old Indiana Jones fan, Lucas has done as much to stall and bugger-up that franchise than help it. I dare say that if were not for Speilberg we'd have cgi monkeys in Raiders by now....
See this one confuses me. Lucas writes/directs Star Wars episodes I, II, III & IV and is slammed.
Lucas co-writes Indy I, II, III, & IV but Spielberg directs Indy I, II, III, & IV and yet Lucas gets slammed?
How's that work?
Surely some of the blame must go to Spielberg - if you're of the opinion that Crystal Skull was bad. You don't think there's a bias there? Not specifically from you DJD, but in general I mean.
Me I like Crystal skull - but I can see why it's not for everyone, but the vitriol lashed out soleyl against Lucas... That's aint on.
Exactly.
When it comes down to it, unless it's a first timer, or maybe someone coming back from a huge flop - the director has final say on most things. And when it's freakin' Spielberg - he has final say on whatever the hell he wants.
And Indy was Lucas' idea in the first place - yet he only gets credit for what's bad. It's nonsensical, and just shows how biased and inaccurate fan-rage can be.
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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Wow. Huh.... Couldn't disagree more, who needs character arcs? But okay...
Ha, yeah we often disagree. I felt the Abyss was burdened with similar dead weight. Not sure why you make the leap that I don't appreciate character arcs (I take it that's the implication?). Did you think Ripley had no arc without that?
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Doh! And now we agree on something. Don't I got egg on my face. Sorry about that Storymark.
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