George Lucas loses his mind
POSTED BY: OPPYH
UPDATED: Monday, October 24, 2011 00:35
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Wow. Huh.... Couldn't disagree more, who needs character arcs? But okay...
Ha, yeah we often disagree. I felt the Abyss was burdened with similar dead weight. Not sure why you make the leap that I don't appreciate character arcs (I take it that's the implication?). Did you think Ripley had no arc without that?
I went back and excised the character arc part, as it was overly aggressive...
But, I do think her arc is greatly diminished by loosing that aspect, yes. Sure, you could assume that she's so dedicated to Newt just out of biological instincts, but I feel it's FAR more powerful for her to have lost a child, and see Newt as a surrogate. It gives her a much stronger arc, based on her background, rather than an arbitrary biological drive.
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
That's fair and I can see why you think it stronger.
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Originally posted by OPPYH:
The prequels suck because:
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-Darth Vader, the coolest villain in cinematic history didn't need a back story.
So true!
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-Too much CGI.
For the sake of all thats holy....Where are the physical sets? Green Screens are for weathermen.
I agree with this too. There's also something else here which is that a lot of actors are in the traditional mold and the idea of working with no sets I think affects their acting. For all the negativity toward Christensen I personally think that Ewan is equally as poor. In time I think there will emerge a generation of cinematic actor who is confident in front of green screens. Presently there's always a hint of things being just a little off.
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Sorry, had to get that off my chest. At the expense of making the OT more prequel accessible, Lucas continues his alterations. Fine for those that love the prequels, torture for the ones that loathe them.
Ha,Ha.
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The Vader-didn't-need-a-backstory bit is certainly true :)
I remember back in the late 70s loving Splinter of the Minds Eye , the first Star Wars spin off novel. I read it again recently and still kind of wish they'd made a movie out of it ....
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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Originally posted by OPPYH:
The prequels suck because:Quote:
-Darth Vader, the coolest villain in cinematic history didn't need a back story.
So true!
It's so much more than just Vader.
Boba Fett worked as a really cool character partly because you didn't see much of him and knew very little about him. The same goes for the briefly mentioned Clone Wars. Again the power of it worked because it was a mystery, your own imagination would fill in the gaps.
But my biggest issue with the PT is the fact that they explained the force. The one thing over everything else that didn't need explaining. I'm sure everyone got exactly what it was from Ben's speech on the Falcon after they left Tatooine. To then have it diluted to something in the bloodstream was a huge slap in the face. To me this was the worst part of all the prequels, even worse than Jar Jar.
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For all the negativity toward Christensen I personally think that Ewan is equally as poor. In time I think there will emerge a generation of cinematic actor who is confident in front of green screens. Presently there's always a hint of things being just a little off.
I agree and I actually felt sorry for Ewan. He was becoming an established actor who had done some decent work at the time. He also grew up as a huge SW fan, his uncle was in the OT and then Lucas wants him to play a major role in the prequels. Who wouldn't say yes. There is a behind the scenes clip of the saber fight between Obi-Wan, Qui-gon and Maul where he gets kicked off the platform. His reaction after they shout cut just says it all. He has a big grin and looks like an over-excited kid.
And then you get the final result and even straight after Phantom was released you could listen to any interview about SW with Ewan and you could hear the disappointment in his voice. He's too professional to openly slag them off but if you read into what he says and the way he says it you can easily gather what he really thinks. In a Top Gear interview a few years ago he said that his films 'weren't very good'. I've heard him talk about the blue/green screen work as 'not really acting' and being more of a technical exercise. He also said that he's happy with what he did in the PT but it's not how he likes to work or how he was used to working having come from low budget, indie movies.
On a personal level it must have been disheartening for him to see the final results but I think he was a good choice to cast as Obi-wan and I think he did what he could with the role but none of the actors were really given anything to work with. Except maybe tennis balls and carboard cutouts.
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Lol. I thought Ewan was the best thing about the films by far. I love the bit in his Long Way Down documentary where he visits the Skywalker homestead in Tunisia. None of the tourists recognise him...
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Oh yeah, Ewan's Obi Wan had the only flavour, humour, and character in the entire three prequels. The only one who seemed to really be trying. And he sparkled because of it. It's too bad Natalie was in an awkward acting period, and Hayden, well. Though Lucas's romance dialogue really needs work, and no one could have read those lines.
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Lol ! And rude people are hilarious aren't they? I'm well aware of GLs credits. I was talking about as a film maker and writer not as a technician and a businessman. I guess Howard the Duck is on your must-watch list? Oh, and as big old Indiana Jones fan, Lucas has done as much to stall and bugger-up that franchise than help it. I dare say that if were not for Speilberg we'd have cgi monkeys in Raiders by now....
See this one confuses me. Lucas writes/directs Star Wars episodes I, II, III & IV and is slammed.
Lucas co-writes Indy I, II, III, & IV but Spielberg directs Indy I, II, III, & IV and yet Lucas gets slammed?
How's that work?
Surely some of the blame must go to Spielberg - if you're of the opinion that Crystal Skull was bad. You don't think there's a bias there? Not specifically from you DJD, but in general I mean.
Me I like Crystal skull - but I can see why it's not for everyone, but the vitriol lashed out solely against Lucas... That aint on.
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I'm still pissed Spielberg replaced the guns with walkie-talkies in E.T., it took away alot of the feeling of peril when Eliot escapes on his bike.
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I actually liked Crystal Skull just fine. I mean, what, God's wrath exploding from the Arc Of The Covenant in a life-sucking sandstorm was fine, aliens aren't?
Anyway. The difference between the Star Wars prequels and the new Indiana Jones probably was directing, but I still stand by my "Star Wars awful romance dialogue" comment.
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Cannot help but react to the idea that artists should move on and stop tinkering with their work with this snippet of dialog from one of my favorite films. Lets see if anyone recognizes the film. The female is speaking to the male about her late father...
M - What was he?
F - A Painter.
M - Ah. Was he a good one?
F - Well, I thought so. But people didn't understand him.
M - Yes, that's often the trouble.
F - He painted trees. At least it was one tree.
M - You mean he painted the same tree over and over again?
F - Yes. You see, he had a theory that if you should find one perfect thing, or place or person, you should stick to it. Do you think that's very silly?
In a word - YES!!!
See how I'm not hitting him, I think I've grown!
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I actually liked Crystal Skull just fine. I mean, what, God's wrath exploding from the Arc Of The Covenant in a life-sucking sandstorm was fine, aliens aren't?
My problems with that movie had zero to do with aliens, and everything to do with a terrible script.
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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