George Lucas loses his mind
POSTED BY: OPPYH
UPDATED: Monday, October 24, 2011 00:35
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Don't get me wrong - I loved Star Wars back in the 70s and 80s and I loved raiders and ToD. Lucas did great stuff back then and you wouldn't have found a bigger star wars freak than me back in the day. His problem seems to have been when he realised that he could sell toys through the movies. Irvin Kershner said as much - RoJ was about that. CS was about that too (really musguided as Indy was never that sort of franchise). Why do I blame George? Well, the biggest thing is that he held up Indy 4 for 'the right script'. Now if he thought CS was the right script then he has totally lost it! There's not one scene of that movie that REALLY works (and yes that SS fault too). Also for the record , I dont mind the SW prequels - I actually like Attack of the Clones. I think it's as much about liking Ewan McGregor as anything though. I find him very watchable in most things he's in.
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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
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Wow. Huh.... Couldn't disagree more, who needs character arcs? But okay...
Ha, yeah we often disagree. I felt the Abyss was burdened with similar dead weight. Not sure why you make the leap that I don't appreciate character arcs (I take it that's the implication?). Did you think Ripley had no arc without that?
I went back and excised the character arc part, as it was overly aggressive...
But, I do think her arc is greatly diminished by loosing that aspect, yes. Sure, you could assume that she's so dedicated to Newt just out of biological instincts, but I feel it's FAR more powerful for her to have lost a child, and see Newt as a surrogate. It gives her a much stronger arc, based on her background, rather than an arbitrary biological drive.
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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Originally posted by Oldguy:
Agreed.. I imagined quite a different story line..where Darth was the clone of Luke's father who was an outcast jedi who turned out to be bobbafet..given that bounty hunter was the only one slick enough to catch them to begin with and since he was hidden behind his helmit..it coulda been a great path to take...but ol George had to go try and sell some little kids on some teddy bears...wtf?
Huh? So Boba Fett would be a jedi and Luke and Leia's actual father. He at some point became a bounty hunter and was also working for his evil clone during Empire. He turned his son over to his evil clone and just up and left? Would he just not know that Luke is his son or would he be doing all that just to test Luke or something? Seems like a pretty deadly game to play.
Plus then it would be really difficult for Obiwan to downplay his BS about Vader betraying and murdering Luke's father. "Uh you see I mean...well...I've got this thing where I like to leave right when it looks like a person is likely to die and just assume it happened. It's a minor flaw in my honest opinion."
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LOL. Yeah. Ive heard a lot of "Boba should have been the other Skywalker" theories (which I could see working) but Boba as Anakin.... yeah, doesn't quote fit.
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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ok you young bucks... (man these star war geeks are intense ) (grin)
remember that at the time I formulated this story plot, I only had the first 2 movies (epi's 4 & 5) to work from..Lucas hadn't yet screwed up things and then made them worse with epis 1-3.
so I was seeing it as, Darth being the evil clone - they made a big reference to clone wars in the first movie..so it seemed a possibility...and Ani hiding and watching over Luke from the Boba aspect...as a jedi he could lay low just as well as Obi did and certainly that lil green munchkin puppet guy whatever his name was (I'm kidding!! don't freak)
so anyway..it's possible that Yoda and Obi really wouldn't be in tune and that Ani could continue to lay low but what better way to maintain inside track with the empire than to be free to function off grid legally as a bounty hunter...
I didn't loose any sleep over it..it was just a fun movie series for me.. not a new religion..not like I spent $4,000 in quarters in the sit down video game on my lunch break...ok...well..maybe I did that...
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Originally posted by Oldguy:
ok you young bucks... (man these star war geeks are intense ) (grin)
If you a couple questions and an "LOL" are intense.... you maaaaay want to stay off the internet.
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remember that at the time I formulated this story plot, I only had the first 2 movies (epi's 4 & 5) to work from..
Oh, I think we both got that. Zeek's questions/points didn't reference the prequels, and were limited to story points established in ANH and ESB.
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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Yeah I got all that. I'm just trying to make the pieces fit. So, he was watching over Luke but just left him on Cloud City with his evil clone while also taking a few pot shots at Luke? What about Leia? He pretty much handed her over to Vader unless he didn't know she was on the Millennium Falcon before he tipped the Empire off. I can't think of a way those actions would have actually been good.
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OK, course change.
The prequels suck because:
-Darth Vader, the coolest villain in cinematic history didn't need a back story. His mystery, and aura are tainted by the actor Hayden Christensen. Unless you are a teenage girl, Anakin had no redeeming qualities whatsoever. None. Unless of course you count stupid quotes, and a quick temper as a couple.
-They started in the wrong place.
If you gonna make 3 prequel films.....START WHEN THINGS GET INTERESTING!! Lucas should have started with episode III, and had the following 2 after the Vader becomes Vader.
-Too much CGI.
For the sake of all thats holy....Where are the physical sets? Green Screens are for weathermen.
-No chemistry.
Anakin and Padme, the most 'forced' screen relationship in recent memory.
Sorry,
had to get that off my chest. At the expense of making the OT more prequel accessible, Lucas continues his alterations. Fine for those that love the prequels, torture for the ones that loathe them.
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Quote:Finally a wise & bold solution to the puzzle that is the prequel. I've seen many criticisms, but they all involve changing a scene here and there or sharpening the dialog.
Originally posted by OPPYH:
-They started in the wrong place.
If you gonna make 3 prequel films.....START WHEN THINGS GET INTERESTING!! Lucas should have started with episode III, and had the following 2 after the Vader becomes Vader.
Sorry,
had to get that off my chest.
Kaylee said it best about the Phantom Menace: “Sometimes a thing so broke, it can't be fixed.”
The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two
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Two, that was pretty gorram funny!!!!!
The laughing Chrisisall
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