...and still the war against women continues
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but can also apply to the 'excuse' of it being a woman's body, so she can do pretty much anything she wants
I do not think you meant what you just said.
Broaden this to men and women and consider the issue of suicide a parallel.
Now, you and I will probably agree that a suicide is pretty tragic, and I'm pretty sure it's a crime under law. The comparison with abortion is that in both cases, someone dies, which society in general likes to discourage. But they are not one-hundred percent similar, as I imagine all of us have some familiarity with the concept of a mercy death for someone in extreme pain, in which case we would still find suicide tragic, but perhaps understandable.
Clearly, the issue you have between suicide and abortion isn't that someone is doing harm to their own body, but rather that a woman is doing harm to an unborn fetus/child/whatever.
So saying that you don't believe a person has a choice what to do with their own body is an incorrect way of phrasing what it is you believe. It also sets you up for people misinterpreting you. I think perhaps you should choose your words better to better get across your meaning.
Unless, of course, you really DID just mean that women should have no choice in what happens to their body... In which case I will inform the governor that we should remove rape as a crime from the books.
This is why I think a valid point of research would be to find a way to preserve the life of the fetus after it has been removed, perhaps through artificial wombs or some kind of transplant surrogacy. The later, BTW, has happened, though the success rate is still too low for it to be a really viable alternative.
The women does have a choice in her body, and I think eventually we can get to a point where it doesn't mean infringing on any "rights" for her unborn child.
Until then, I am not for or against, just as when two soldiers meet on the battlefield in a struggle for their life or livelyhood, I don't blame one or the other, but I do blame the mechanisms which pit the two against each other in that manner.
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Byte - you're extrapolating far and away off the topic here.
And, taking my entire sentence in context, not just 1/2 of it, is EXACTLY what I meant to say.
The song, to which I refer, speaks of child abuse. Not suicide.
The words from the song, and the video, speak for themselves.
I invite you to watch it, if you've not done so already. And if you have, then watch it again.
It's a good song.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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I'm saying that I really doubt that you meant what you said in that particular instance because even IN context it's loaded with unfortunate implications that I'm almost sure you didn't intend.
I know that you don't support rape. This is obvious. But you weren't being clear, so I clarified for you.
The suicide was just an analogy to show WHY it's obvious you don't mean it that way.
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I'm saying that I really doubt that you meant what you said in that particular instance because even IN context it's loaded with unfortunate implications that I'm almost sure you didn't intend.
I know that you don't support rape. This is obvious. But you weren't being clear, so I clarified for you.
The suicide was just an analogy to show WHY it's obvious you don't mean it that way.
Rape, suicide are nothing but straw men in this discussion.
A woman ( or a man ) beating a child, because it belongs to her/ him, is pretty darn close to a mother aborting her child. It's her body, her own 'flesh and blood', as it were.
My previous position on the matter of abortion, that a woman has full rights and domain of her body, but gradually gives up those rights to the unborn as it grows, has been posted here before. I don't feel the need to continuously re-post my views, every time someone wants to misrepresent my comments.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Apparently you don't understand my intentions. Very well. Your comments may stand without clarification if you wish.
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Then again, we are under the Obama admin, which has gotten more soldiers killed in 2-3 years than the Bush admin did in a near decade.
Seriously, dude? Really?
Post up your numbers. I call.
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Rappy doesn't believe people have freedom to make health choices regarding their own bodies?
How very libertarian of him. I'm shocked.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Posted by Some Moron:
Then again, we are under the Obama admin, which has gotten more soldiers killed in 2-3 years than the Bush admin did in a near decade.
Seriously, dude? Really?
Post up your numbers. I call.
He's actually right if you just look at Afghanistan.
I haven't yet tried to factor in Iraq yet though. I found a graphic, but it doesn't go past 2008 for the comparison. About 4,000 soldier deaths in Iraq though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Forces_casualties_in_the_wa
r_in_Afghanistan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#U.S._armed_for
ces
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Rappy doesn't believe people have freedom to make health choices regarding their own bodies?
How very libertarian of him. I'm shocked.
And Kwickie can't pass reading comprehension 101.
I stated the exact opposite of what he claims I believe.
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Originally posted by Bytemite:Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Posted by Some Moron:
Then again, we are under the Obama admin, which has gotten more soldiers killed in 2-3 years than the Bush admin did in a near decade.
Seriously, dude? Really?
Post up your numbers. I call.
He's actually right if you just look at Afghanistan.
I haven't yet tried to factor in Iraq yet though. I found a graphic, but it doesn't go past 2008 for the comparison. About 4,000 soldier deaths in Iraq though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Forces_casualties_in_the_wa
r_in_Afghanistan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#U.S._armed_for
ces
Too bad he didn't say "just in Afghanistan", then.
http://icasualties.org/
It's closer to 5000 in Iraq, with about 250 of them on Obama's watch. Afghanistan's total is a bit more than half the Iraq total, with about 55% of those coming under Obama's watch.
Bush got more soldiers killed in Iraq - more than TWICE AS MANY, in fact - than Obama has gotten killed in Iraq and Afghanistan combined so far.
You can be against Obama and his wars. I am. But if you start inventing bogus claims and false figures, expect to get called on it.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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