...and still the war against women continues
POSTED BY: Niki2
UPDATED: Friday, August 5, 2011 05:21
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You answered it yourself, love.
Not that I expect these politicians to understand the very basics of pregnancy, anatomy, or even the fetuses they're concerned about, but this law doesn't even make sense.
Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off 
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Well, I've already make it clear what my perspective is, this is less about womens rights than the fact that women have rights, which is offensive to the GOP, and shows their true colors every time they do shit like this.
This is about punishing women for daring to exercise their rights, their will, at all, is what it is - the pyschological and emotional version of taking them out back and whipping them into line.
And no less offensive - just because scars on the soul are not as visible as those on the body, doesn't mean damage hasn't been done.
Consider also this - if YOU did something like this to your wife, you'd be very much guilty of spousal abuse, so why the hell should the State get a free pass, and why should any doctor, who mind you swore a fucking oath to do no harm, ever comply with such a horrific act ?
Any of em who do should be charged with malpractice and have their license revoked, because in *MY* eyes, a sworn oath of person supercedes the law of the State, because you swore that personally, of your own free will, and your obligation to obey the State springs from nothing more than the random chance of being born within its borders.
Oh, and lemme offer this, cause I might not have mentioned it before - shortly after getting certed in personal protection, I offered my services for a mere pittance to clinics and patients as an escort to "run the gauntlet" of nasty bastards hell bent on forcing THEIR will upon others - and on occasion did indeed dish out some hostility of mine own, personal and physical.
I've seen what these scumbags are, at point blank range, and honestly... I *enjoyed* hurting them when they tried to lay hands on my protectee, far more than I should have, sure - but the notion of deliberate abuse toward someone who already has to make that horrible decision enrages me on a level I don't even have words for.
They can protest and bitch all they like, but when one attempts to use force, either of their own, or using the State as proxy for it, it is at that point I've no real issue with using force on them - understand ?
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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I stand corrected. Your dead horse still runs. IIRC, last time you forced this debate, it pretty much killed the forum, I have to assume that was the goal. Unfortunately, you think that this issue will win support to the left side, but I am certain it is a losing one.
That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.
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Originally posted by Hero:Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
They won't stop trying to force bad laws on us until we get rid of them, folks. We can only wait and see what's next...and it ain't gonna be good!
Liberals are against informed consent.
There's a slogan for you, 'Vote Democrat so you can make important life decisions with as little information as possible.'
I guess the right to choose means the right to be uninformed.
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I would rather not ignore your contributions." Niki2, 2010.
Remember, people, this is coming from the guy who proudly proclaimed "I voted for Bush twice, and intellegence [sic] have very little to do with it."
Of course, he also supported going to war with as little information as possible... Because, y'know, going to war isn't any kind of "important life decision" or anything.
So again, "Hero" here is somebody who really knows what he's talking about when it comes to being uninformed! He actually makes a living at it!
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Were you addressing me? I don't believe I've ever "forced" a debate, and we've discussed pro-life v. pro-choice several times since I came here, none of which ever came close to "killing" the forum, so I must be missing something. I get virtually no "notifications", for whatever reason, so I can't know to whom you are responding.
If you think I think this debate "will win support to the left side", you're out of your gourd. It's not political to me, it's a wrong thing, pure and simple. A lot of what Frem said is valid, and I hate, hate, HATE people being able to legally force things like this on women, right or left, and I don't care which side is standing up to call this sort of stuff out, left or right. For me, this leaves politics behind; if anything, it's about religion v. morality, not politics. The unfortunate thing right now is that we have a party whohave come into power and tho thinks it's ultra-religious and that should give it the power to do whatever they want, legal OR illegal, to stop abortions.
But maybe you were addressing Frem, I dunno; if so, ignore the above.
p.s. Good for YOU Frem. I'd volunteer to do some of that, too, only we don't HAVE those kinds of problems in Marin. Maybe not the whole Bay Area, I dunno.
Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I stand corrected. Your dead horse still runs. IIRC, last time you forced this debate, it pretty much killed the forum, I have to assume that was the goal. Unfortunately, you think that this issue will win support to the left side, but I am certain it is a losing one.
That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.
I don't remember it 'killing the forum' so much; I remember YOU disappearing quite suddenly for a while. Most others were still here, discussing lots of other things.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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What does an ultrasound have to do with being informed? The woman already knows she is pregnant. So what new information does an ultrasound have to offer? How can you force a woman to look at an ultrasound? They have taken her rights away.
Somehow, they view THIS government-mandated healthcare as "the good kind", and they view THIS big government intervention as a positive thing. They want to shrink the government to where it's the size that it can get its hands in every woman's vagina.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Great job, North Carolina !
Welcome to the 11th century !
AWESOME !
Fixed that for ya, dear.
The Taliban cheers North Carolina's new law. No wonder the tea-bagging GOP are so into it!
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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The people screaming that big government is terrible and then they create laws like this that give government power over peoples rights. This is what I call big government. So big it smothers your civil rights.
First they try to tell women they don't have rights over their own bodies and then they try to submit this. Actually forcing their will on these women's bodies. This is BS. Civil liberty rules against any such acts. This law will not stand.
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Traveler
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It'll stand, because it infringes on no one's civil liberties.
LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
The first of these Rights being so aptly pointed out, and for good reason.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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