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...and still the war against women continues

POSTED BY: Niki2
UPDATED: Friday, August 5, 2011 05:21
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TRAVELER

Saturday, July 30, 2011 2:41 AM

The government has no right to inflict any procedure on person without due process. There is no crime here. So the government has no rights to touch another persons body in a obtrusive way. No court will allow this. The police don't have such rights.

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STORYMARK

Saturday, July 30, 2011 2:41 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I stand corrected. Your dead horse still runs. IIRC, last time you forced this debate, it pretty much killed the forum, I have to assume that was the goal. Unfortunately, you think that this issue will win support to the left side, but I am certain it is a losing one.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

I don't remember it 'killing the forum' so much; I remember YOU disappearing quite suddenly for a while. Most others were still here, discussing lots of other things.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

Some folk think that if they don't see it, it isn't there. Most outgrow this right out of the peek-a-boo phase, some not so quickly.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

STORYMARK

Saturday, July 30, 2011 2:43 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

It'll stand, because it infringes on no one's civil liberties.

LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

The first of these Rights being so aptly pointed out, and for good reason.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

Good ol' Rethug thinkin'!

Government bad! Unless it keeps women in their place.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

KWICKO

Saturday, July 30, 2011 2:54 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

It'll stand, because it infringes on no one's civil liberties.

LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

The first of these Rights being so aptly pointed out, and for good reason.

Where is that in the Constitution? (Hint: Herman Cain doesn't know either!)

By the way, nice to see that you fully support the government being able to order you to have medical procedures without your consent.

How very "libertarian" of you.

GEEZER

Saturday, July 30, 2011 2:58 AM

Politicians vote for this kind of legislation because they believe that it'll get them re-elected. In some places (like North Carolina) it probably will. Unfortunately, in some cases the will of the people isn't what some of us think is appropriate. Folks who think this legislation is wrong have to convince the voters who support it that they may have an incorrect perception of the situation. Screaming that they're bigots, sexists, or at war with women isn't gonna convince them. It'll just harden them in their erroneous position.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

HERO

Saturday, July 30, 2011 3:08 AM

Found out an abortion clinic is opening downtown. Despite my personal feelings I look forward to prosecuting anyone who illegally interferes with their right to operate their facility or interferes with those who choose to make use of their services.

I'm as much a pro law guy as a pro life guy.

Ironically I hate Thai food, but I make the same pledge about the Thai place two doors down from the clinic. The fracking used car dealer is on his own.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I would rather not ignore your contributions." Niki2, 2010.

NIKI2

Saturday, July 30, 2011 3:26 AM

Aw-Right Hero! You go, man, you're a person of principle! We may not like one another (I know you don't like ME), but on this issue, I respect your decision.

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Politicians vote for this kind of legislation because they believe that it'll get them re-elected.

Geezer, you're absolutely right and of course this is at the bottom of the new laws. What you missed is that it wasn't the "will of the people" in the FIRST place! These neophite Republicans/Tea Partiers were elected out of fear, hoping they'd improve the situation because they kept screaming "Jobs! Jobs! Jobs!" What the people GOT was union busting and anti-abortion legislation. I don't believe it was the will of the majority of people at ALL.

Over in another thread I started a joking "Raptor Rules". This fits, too, so I'll add it.

Raptor's Rules

1. You can always tell what an entire political movement stands for by the worst actions of any one of its members

2. Big government is terrible except when WE create laws that give government power which WE determine doesn't infringe on anyone's civil rights.

Anyone suggest a #3?

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

NIKI2

Saturday, July 30, 2011 3:27 AM

Damn. Double post. That hasn't happened in a while...

GEEZER

Saturday, July 30, 2011 3:41 AM

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Originally posted by Niki2:
What you missed is that it wasn't the "will of the people" in the FIRST place!

Having been born in the South and having lived among the folks there for a good bit of my life, I have to respectfully disagree. I would say that a majority of them, including some of my kinfolk, have no problem with this type of legislation. Fifty years ago they had no problem with 'Seperate but equal', but eventually saw that it wasn't right. Change is slow there, and takes gentle, logical persuasion. Saying it ain't so, or treating them as wrongheaded, will just get their backs up and then they'll never change, even if they realize it's the right thing to do.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

NIKI2

Saturday, July 30, 2011 3:48 AM

You're absolutely right, Geezer, you know the state better than I ever could. Given such a law wouldn't have an iceburg's chance in hell in Califorian, I don't know shit about it.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off