...and still the war against women continues
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AMEN JS, you nailed it in a nutshell (excuse the mix of metaphors).
I feel that it's very wrong to force women to undergo bureaucratic delays prior to having an abortion. It's already been a difficult choice or a necessitated one for the mother, and it's ridiculous to believe that all the personal options haven't already been considered. Just give the gals what they want or need. Religious zealots step aside.
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In the pro-life vs. pro-choice, im in the middle, cuz while it's bullshit to force a law that invades privacy on someone, it's also fucking bull shit to think it's all of a sudden alright to kill a life. Abortion is no different an act then that of in China, and like the Casey Anthony case, it's still murder. But thats where i differ from N.C. cuz women shouldn't be forced to do this ^^ crap. It violates females rights under a little tiny thing called the Constitution. Remember im a republican saying this. I dont agree with abortions, and i dont really think there is any excuse, but to force a law thats so assinine it makes my point that polititons are idiots that much stronger. Then again, we are under the Obama admin, which has gotten more soldiers killed in 2-3 years than the Bush admin did in a near decade.
"Mom, he has her chip. He has her."
John Connor,"Born To Run", TSCC EP 2x22
"We mustn't over stimulate young minds. Das ist verboten!" - Rappy
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I agree with most of that. A look on wikipedia suggests the last part is accurate, however I'm not sure the only factors are who the president is, as neither president was particularly gifted in military strategy. Rather, I'd suggest that increasing casualties may be the result of having worn out our welcome, and having increased the regional coverage of our forces instead of staying within Kabul.
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Hey, a reasonable (so far), rational Republican! Worth your weight in gold, if you continue to be civil (sorry, just so few ARE, and I don't remember you very well). Welcome back.
I like your logic about abortion; I can't imagine ANYONE who actually likes it or does it easily, on that I think you'll find anyone with any sanity in agreement. But what the RTLers are doing is disgusting...if it was done to THEM on some other issue, they'd scream bloody murder. You can't force through laws how people think; If you can't convince someone of something, laws won't change them.
I don't think I'd correlate it with China, if you mean where they put girl babies out on hillsides to die. If it's to that which you are referring, I think they're QUITE different. It takes a long time for a baby to die of exposure/hunger/whatever.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Is not abortion a form of child abuse ?
No, it is a fetus until born. That is why we don't allow post birth abortions.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Is not abortion a form of child abuse ?
No, it is a fetus until born. That is why we don't allow post birth abortions.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Is not abortion a form of child abuse ?
Do you bury fetuses if there has been miscarraiage? Have a funeral service? Headstone?
Actually you might, depending on the stage of the pregnancy. I knew someone who lost pregnancy at 6mths who did that - but it doesn't happen pre 3 - most miscarried fetues end up down the loo or disposed of with hospital waste. Mostly people will not even mention the loss to others. NOt the way we treat 'born' humans. Because we recognise there is a diiference.
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If you're against abortion, then fight abortion. Don't pass laws that pretend to give a woman options when all these laws are doing are depriving a woman of her civil rights.
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Amen.
Don't pass laws that pretend to give a woman options when all these laws are doing are depriving a woman of her civil rights.
Unfortunately, it's something they've learned; the law will never be changed (gawd willing), so they can't outlaw it. The next best thing (along with harassing doctors and clinics and killing doctors who provide it) is to remove financing and then pass laws that make it as difficult as humanly possible to GET one. So much for smaller government...
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Is not abortion a form of child abuse ?
Do you bury fetuses if there has been miscarraiage? Have a funeral service? Headstone?
Actually you might, depending on the stage of the pregnancy. I knew someone who lost pregnancy at 6mths who did that - but it doesn't happen pre 3 - most miscarried fetues end up down the loo or disposed of with hospital waste. Mostly people will not even mention the loss to others. NOt the way we treat 'born' humans. Because we recognise there is a diiference.
Miscarriages aren't really part of the discussion, as they're not actions of intent.
I used the 10,000 Maniacs song for a few reasons. Not only do the words - " I'm tired of the excuses everybody uses, it's your child, do as you see fit " apply to child abuse, but can also apply to the 'excuse' of it being a woman's body, so she can do pretty much anything she wants, as well.
Which I find doubly powerful, because Natalie Merchant , to the best of my knowledge, is far from a TEA party / Pro- Lifer type. ( Hey, cool if she is, but I've not seen her at any rallies ) She seems to be in tight w/ Michael Stipe (REM) and more of a Lilith Fair sort.
Plus, I really like the song, aside from the social commentary.
Also... " I don't approve of what you did to your own flesh and blood ".
Tell me how that can't also a commentary on both child abuse as well as abortion.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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