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...and still the war against women continues

POSTED BY: Niki2
UPDATED: Friday, August 5, 2011 05:21
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NIKI2

Friday, July 29, 2011 6:16 PM

The damned pro-life extremists who swept into office on a tidal wave of fear are still quietly destroying women's rights...no surprise to anyone

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Women seeking an abortion in North Carolina will have to wait 24 hours, receive counseling and be presented with an ultrasound image of the fetus under an informed consent law passed on Thursday over the governor's objections.

Democratic Governor Beverly Perdue had vetoed the measure. But the state Senate voted on Thursday to override the veto, two days after the House of Representatives took similar action, which means the bill is now law and will take effect in October.

North Carolina joins 25 other states that require pre-abortion counseling that goes beyond basic medical "informed consent," according to Elizabeth Nash, public policy associate with Guttmacher Institute in Washington.

It is the tenth state to include the additional requirement of an ultrasound, which has drawn legal challenges in several states, Nash said.

The North Carolina law will require that an ultrasound image be presented and the sound of the fetal heartbeat be offered, though a woman is free to look away and ignore an explanation and medical description of what is on the screen.

Perdue, a Democrat and North Carolina's first female governor, vetoed the bill on June 27. In her veto message, she called the legislation a "dangerous intrusion into the confidential relationship that exists between women and their doctors."

Republican Representative Ruth Samuelson, the primary sponsor of the bill, has defended it as providing crucial information for women who are making a major and irrevocable decision.

North Carolina's General Assembly had been relatively moderate among Southern states in regulating abortion, but momentum for change grew last November when Republicans took control of both legislative chambers for the first time in more than a century.

Paige Johnson, a spokeswoman for Planned Parenthood of Central North Carolina, said this week that women don't need "state-scripted" counseling before they consent to a procedure they have already considered.

"Women give this decision great thought, and these legislators have passed legislation that assumes women are not capable of making this decision," Johnson said. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/28/us-abortion-northcarolina-id
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They won't stop trying to force bad laws on us until we get rid of them, folks. We can only wait and see what's next...and it ain't gonna be good!

HERO

Friday, July 29, 2011 6:56 PM

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Originally posted by Niki2:
They won't stop trying to force bad laws on us until we get rid of them, folks. We can only wait and see what's next...and it ain't gonna be good!

Liberals are against informed consent.

There's a slogan for you, 'Vote Democrat so you can make important life decisions with as little information as possible.'

I guess the right to choose means the right to be uninformed.

H

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NIKI2

Friday, July 29, 2011 7:09 PM

THAT is just pure bullshit. This has nothing to do with informed consent; forcing women to endure an unnecessary procedure AND LISTEN TO THE HEARTBEAT has nothing whatsoever to do with informed consent. It's totally about harrassing women who seek an abortion. If you don't know that, I'd say hooo, boy are you naive, but I know you're not and your response is nothing but a slur! "Women don't need "state-scripted" counseling before they consent to a procedure they have already considered". THAT's what it's about. There is nothing whatsoever in this new law about "INFORMING" the woman, only that she MUST be subjected to an ultrasound and MUST be made to hear the fetal heartbeat. If you are snarking about "informed consent", then you are being deliberately disingenuous; actually, it's an out-and-out lie.

I'm offended that you are using a Raptor technique to lie about what the actual issue is, then expanding the lie further about all liberals.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

TRAVELER

Friday, July 29, 2011 8:09 PM

What does an ultrasound have to do with being informed? The woman already knows she is pregnant. So what new information does an ultrasound have to offer? How can you force a woman to look at an ultrasound? They have taken her rights away.

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Traveler

DREAMTROVE

Friday, July 29, 2011 9:06 PM

I believe this horse is not tired, it is dead. Perhaps it's time to try something else. On second thought, keep posting it.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

STORYMARK

Friday, July 29, 2011 9:54 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I believe this horse is not tired, it is dead. Perhaps it's time to try something else. On second thought, keep posting it.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

Everybody got that? DT's tired of the topic, and as the arbiter of what is discussion worthy, this issue is done.

OR

You have the option of not reading it if you're not interested. Had that not occurred to you in your hurry to bitch?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Saturday, July 30, 2011 12:18 AM

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Originally posted by traveler:
What does an ultrasound have to do with being informed? The woman already knows she is pregnant. So what new information does an ultrasound have to offer? How can you force a woman to look at an ultrasound? They have taken her rights away.

Agreed. This is emotional abuse as far as I can see.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, July 30, 2011 12:25 AM

Great job, North Carolina !

Welcome to the 21st century !

AWESOME !

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NIKI2

Saturday, July 30, 2011 12:45 AM

Yup, Traveler, that's about it in a nutshell. And yes, Magons, emotional abuse indeed. If some individual forced a woman to watch and ultrasound and listen to the heartbeat before FORCING an abortion on her, nobody'd question whether it was abuse. Of course, when legislators...well, you know...

Sorry you find the issue so boring, DT; we'll try to be more entertaining in other threads. This IS a real world DEVELOPMENT; they just passed it. It's happening in other states, this is just the newest one to come along. Apparently that means nothing to you; to the women of that state, I'd wager it means something.

Tho' of course since it bores you, we won't post about such things again (NOT!).

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Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

BYTEMITE

Saturday, July 30, 2011 1:39 AM

...My understanding is that you can't hear a fetal heartbeat until four months. I'm not exactly sure how this law would even work, aren't there limitations on all this anyway past the first trimestre?

Not that I expect these politicians to understand the very basics of pregnancy, anatomy, or even the fetuses they're concerned about, but this law doesn't even make sense.

EDIT: Hmm. Apparently through a vaginal ultrasound you can pick up the heartbeat earlier. So the law essentially requires a vaginal ultrasound.