Here it is the libs are coming after our guns
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"an individual is entitled to protect themselves or others;
they may inflict violence and/or use weapons to do so;
the level of violence may include killing the assailant; and,
an individual may even act pre-emptively and still be found to have acted in self-defence."
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Hello,
This would make British use of force indistinguishable from U.S. use of force.
Is that how it works in practice? Can I bludgeon a street robber with a club I keep for self defense, or stab him with a pocket knife, and be found innocent of any wrongdoing?
--Anthony
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CTs, Peru does have compulsory voting though?
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Quote:Yes, it does. And it is a pain, because you can't vote where you are. You have to vote where you registered, and changing registration is a pain. So on voting day, everyone travels to their hometown to vote. It is one of the very few national laws they enforce.
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
CTs, Peru does have compulsory voting though?
But, they usually have something like 26 candidates to choose from, so there actually IS a choice. It is very easy to get on the ballot. Campaigning is very active, though I hardly ever see negative campaigning like I do in the States.
No place is perfect. Peru has gun control as well. But, on a practical and day-to-day level, I see people living in a lot more freedom here than at home.
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Originally posted by canttakesky:Quote:Yes, it does. And it is a pain, because you can't vote where you are. You have to vote where you registered, and changing registration is a pain. So on voting day, everyone travels to their hometown to vote. It is one of the very few national laws they enforce.
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
CTs, Peru does have compulsory voting though?
But, they usually have something like 26 candidates to choose from, so there actually IS a choice. It is very easy to get on the ballot. Campaigning is very active, though I hardly ever see negative campaigning like I do in the States.
No place is perfect. Peru has gun control as well. But, on a practical and day-to-day level, I see people living in a lot more freedom here than at home.
Can't Take (my gorram) Sky
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Hello,
Can you carry other weapons, or is the restriction limited to guns?
And do the Police carry guns?
--Anthony
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Quote:Yes, police carry guns. And of course, criminals have them.
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Can you carry other weapons, or is the restriction limited to guns?
I have seen civilians carry guns as well, so the gun control is not a complete ban. I know guns are restricted, but I have to do more research to find out how. Regular Peruvians in my little rural town don't know what the gun control laws are, anymore than regular Americans would know what the laws are on owning rockets.
As far as other weapons go, are you talking about knives? People use knives and machetes and cutting tools all the time. That is no problem. I have no idea about swords or bows/arrows, and neither would anyone else I know.
Most murders we hear about in the news are committed with knives or beatings.
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You've gotten me interested in Peru. Now I'll have to do some reading.
BTW, ever eaten guinea pig?
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Is that how it works in practice? Can I bludgeon a street robber with a club I keep for self defense, or stab him with a pocket knife, and be found innocent of any wrongdoing?
I assume so (though it's illegal to carry any knife bigger than a pocket knife). To be honest street crime like this has never been an issue in any of the places I've lived in or visited in Britain. Britain does have its deprived, rough side - but unless you're unlucky enough to live on one of those estates, it's not generally something you have to make an effort to avoid, or take precautions against. In my experience.
A few of the big cities like London especially are a possible exception, where one might feel at risk in certain areas. And I'm from the North So I don't know it that well. Having said that, I had a trip down to London a few weeks ago with my brother, to do a tour of the museums. We stayed in a cheap, near-city centre hostel and got about by walking, and the tube. Never worried about my safety before or during the trip.
As for self-defence examples, the only semi-contentious case I can recall is one where a farmer shot dead a burglar in his home. But I think this was more a 'revenge slaying' than an act of self-defence, as the farmer had been burgled numerous times and finally caught the guys in the act, and killed one of them as they were trying to flee (the one that died got shot in the back).
This is the guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)
I sympathise with the farmer, but think the law should attempt to differentiate between real acts of self-defense, and acts with excessive, retributive force. And just because your in your own home doesn't make you above the law.
The only other example of self-defense that really comes to mind is an incident that happened to a colleague of my brother. They both live in quite a poor area of Derby, and the guy was walking home from the city centre late one night after a night out. Two lads demanded his phone and wallet, one of them pretending he had a knife. It descended into a fist-fight, and a running battle as the friend of my brother's tried to make it home with his possessions. He 'gave as good as he got' he says, and successfully made it home, and reported it to the police the next day.
I think in some situations the police would advise compliance with the assailant, but there's no question of incurring prosecution for choosing to 'hold your own', I think.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Quote:I went online and found this on guns.
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
You've gotten me interested in Peru. Now I'll have to do some reading.
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/peru
According to this page, guns are licensed in Peru. For a license, one must meet these criteria:
1. Prove a genuine reason for gun ownership, such as security, hunting, target shooting, etc.
2. Have a clean background check including criminal, mental health, and domestic violence records.
3. Pass a test on firearm safety and firearm law.
A licensed owner may carry a firearm in plain view without any special permit.
Quote:I did try it once. It was horrible.
BTW, ever eaten guinea pig?
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Originally posted by canttakesky:Quote:I went online and found this on guns.
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
You've gotten me interested in Peru. Now I'll have to do some reading.
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/peru
According to this page, guns are licensed in Peru. For a license, one must meet these criteria:
1. Prove a genuine reason for gun ownership, such as security, hunting, target shooting, etc.
2. Have a clean background check including criminal, mental health, and domestic violence records.
3. Pass a test on firearm safety and firearm law.
A licensed owner may carry a firearm in plain view without any special permit.Quote:I did try it once. It was horrible.
BTW, ever eaten guinea pig?
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Hello,
I like items 2 and 3. Item 1 seems to allow the government to arbitrarily refuse you for no real reason.
We will presume your government can be trusted not to use their list of licensed guns to confiscate them from the population.
--Anthony
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Quote:It appears they haven't done so yet.
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
We will presume your government can be trusted not to use their list of licensed guns to confiscate them from the population.
According to the same website, 180,000 Peruvian civilians own 750,000 private guns. In comparison, the Peruvian military has 770,000 firearms and the police has 126,000 guns.
Peru has 18.8 guns per 100 people. Compare this rate to some other countries:
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