Here it is the libs are coming after our guns
POSTED BY: kaneman
UPDATED: Saturday, February 19, 2011 15:04
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"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
P.S I'm all out of fuken bubblegum.
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"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
P.S I'm all out of fuken bubblegum.
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"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
P.S I'm all out of fuken bubblegum.
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It's not personal. It's just war.
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It's not personal. It's just war.
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You see, this is why you'd never make it as a criminal, Anthony - your brain just ain't wired that way.
You wanna off someone, here's how ya do it.
First thing ya do, get dressed, jeans, sweater, flannel shirt, cap, like every damn body else around here, only you put on surgical gloves and then knit gloves over em so you're covered for prints without bein really obvious about it and all.
Then you go down to the airport and rent a car, something ridiculously anonymous, go ahead and card it, don't matter none - drive it down to the red light district and put it in one of them parking garages nearby, take yourself a walk down to the corner, and when the local pushers make their approach, get them to hook you up with a gat, they'll be more than glad to sell you a nine real cheap, no doubt stolen and maybe with a body or two already on it, this is what you WANT but go on and play it cool... I'd say get em to throw in some bullets but even the dumbest punk around here isn't gonna hand you ammo for it and stand the risk of being robbed with the piece he just sold you, so slip up the street a bit and buy a box of crummy ass nine-mil and some smokes from one of the bodegas and pay cash, ain't no one even gonna notice.
Then you find somewhere discreet to load it, and hump it or hop a bus to your target, depending on how far.
You spot em out, follow em, get em somewhere relatively discreet, and storm rush, get in close and fill them with lead, give em six, seven, real quick, point blank, all in the torso, no fancy shit - you put ENOUGH lead in someone from that range, they're gone no matter what, then you roll em up, watch-wallet-rings-cellphone (you DROP the cellphone on the way off though, like you fumbled it) and get the hell gone.
Won't nobody come lookin, a salvo like that, the locals might call it in, but sure as shit they're not stickin their heads up or coming to investigate any time soon.
So you hump it or lump it back to the red light district and pick up your car from the garage, and on your way out, you cut through one of them dark alleys and pitch the piece and the loot out the window, don't even slow down, them skells will be on it before it hits the ground, and whichever one bags the piece will wind up with the rest, sure enough.
You drop off the rental, go home, take a shower, do a little laundry, no worries.
Now, damn good chance, almost a certainty, this'll wind up pitched in the "drug related" file and forgotten, oh-what-a-tragedy, hand me another double-glazed, eh ?
Rare, outside chance, someone rolls the skell when he tries to fence the loot, and you really think the cops are gonna buy whatever bullshit story about where he got the stuff ? oh hell no.
And being a skell, prolly with priors and holding a hot piece, they're gonna beat a confession out of him quick enough, and maybe close off a couple cases on it, for them it's win-win.
For you too, cause that's the end of the story right there, innit now ?
Now, one in a million chance, your target was high profile enough to warrant actual investigation, AND the investigator is some hot-shit sherlock type, at BEST all they'll get from anyone is that airport rental sticker, and the first thing hot-shot boy is gonna think is professional hit, at which point he goes off barking up the wrong tree never to be seen again.
And in the one in a billion chance that someone, somewhere, got the plate, and they ask YOU about it, you *already* got a flawless alibi.
"Look man, I was gettin a blowjob and didn't want my wife/girlfriend catchin wise, ok ?
So what'd she look like ?
Fuck man, I wasn't lookin at her FACE...
Come on, give us something!
Screw you, get my lawyer!"
Even if they don't dump it then, they'll wind up chasing their own damn tails lookin for that hooker, as the case gets colder and colder, and no way could they coach one well enough to slip it past even the dumbest of judges, so they got nothin, jack diddly shit.
And THAT, old friend, is how this kinda thing is done.
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind Go
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Originally posted by kpo:Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:Quote:
"2) In case citizens need to revolt against an oppressive government.
Two important things have changed since the time of the FF's. Firstly, the firepower and technology of the state has increased dramatically. Small arms are not really an equaliser...
Also these days the world has discovered peaceful protest as an effective way of shutting down and unseating governments. With this as a viable option, it makes the idea of armed resistance criminally stupid - not just needlessly bloody, but counterproductive (like Hamas)."
Hello,
It continues to boggle my mind.
The U.S. is fighting a never-ending, resource-sapping war against largely disorganized people who are equipped with small-arms, small-explosives, and improvised weapons.
And yet the United States continues to be viewed as unopposeable by these same means.
I agree with the usefulness of peaceful protest, but I do not agree with the naivete' of discounting the alternative. An alternative which proves effective daily in bogging down the efforts and economy of our entire nation.
Afghanistan is slightly smaller than the state of Texas. There are ~438,000 allied troops there, plus the most advanced war machines in our arsenal. Surveillance is constant, and is of our most sophisticated variety. There are no real civil liberties there. We can and do shoot anyone if we even *think* they *might* be a terrorist. We have been fighting this war for over nine years, and have no clear expectation of victory. Allied forces there have suffered nearly 60,000 casualties.
--Anthony
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Hmm, well argued, I've probably been a little dismissive and unimaginative about the prospects of armed citizens' resistance in America. I do still find it hard to picture the scenario... Any government with a firm enough grip to quash mass protests/civil disobedience etc. (which I hope would be the first steps) - and then withstand the fallout from that, would also have a pretty firm grip on the military, and CIA, it seems to me. So you would have a determined and enthusiastic U.S military (assumedly stripped of most of its weak-willed/'traitorous' elements) waging war against U.S citizens who have taken up arms. As I say, it's hard for me to conjure the scenario, without resort to theories of government mass propaganda and military brain-washing, which I'm not a fan of...
But I'll concede, determined citizens with small arms most likely could resist with some effectiveness, in a kind of attritional guerilla campaign. It might be little more than nuisance value, I'm not sure (U.S citizens would likely not have some advantages that Iraqi/Afghan insurgents have had, like home advantage, poor infrastructure, safe havens/foreign backers in neighbouring countries, willing suicide bombers and tolerance of civilian casualties etc.)
So I wouldn't say citizen gun ownership is a vital barrier/obstacle to tyrannical government (there are others), nor a formidable one - but it is an obstacle, and has some deterrent value, so there is an argument for it. :-/
It's not personal. It's just war.
Well, not so fast kpo. An armed uprising in the US would topple our government in days. See, we are having a hard enough time in the middle east(as Anthony pointed out), can you imagine it here? First the size of our country is a major factor. Then you have to factor in that we are not arabs half way around the world. The men and women in our military, cia, local law would not turn guns on us. In fact a large majority would fight with their neighbors and family against their employer. We Americans have an extremly high internal value on freedom and nationalism...especially when threatened. Most people I know in the military have already said that their first responsibility is to the constitution and families and view their mili
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"It would take days to topple this government...if we had guns."
Hello,
The trick is the hard part. It is a very hard part.
The trick is getting a serious percentage of everyone to revolt. I can't begin to imagine how horrible things would have to become to motivate a serious percentage of our populace into that.
--Anthony
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This has gone on far too long, predictably, since I was last here to read the whole thing. Besides, I probably know everything that was written. So I stopped at the first two posts, since it was obvious where it was going.Quote:
Had to hit that one; first, he was anything BUT a "leftie commie", obviously by now everyone knows that. Second, it's a shame you can't make even a stupid point without misspelling "shudder".
Think one lefty commie shooting a congresswomen is bad...I shutter to think what real Americans will do to their congress people when they come for the guns...
I think the idea of a revolt in this country is absurd, and again, I'm sure I'm the lone holdout (or one of the very few). I did read the last couple of posts, and among the quotes and what people wrote, I guess I'm not the only one.
The comparison of Afghanistan to the US is not valid, in my opinion. If there were armed resistance in America, yes, it would take virtually the whole COUNTRY to revolt, and given those who've been talking in gun terms have been talking to their VERY TINY base, I don't see it happening. I also don't see us having a legislature stupid enough to try the kind of tyranny openly that would cause enough people to "raise up" to fight it. They do quite nicely, thank you, as it is.
I just think it's stupid to imagine our government become that tyrannical, and/or enough people taking up arms to be even slightly effective at anything. This isn't 1776, it's a whole different world.
It amuses me to see reactions here--not just to guns. We are an unquestionably reactionary bunch, which I hope (and believe) doesn't reflect the majority of the population. We're a thinking bunch, too, which also is not reflective of the majority of Americans.
But we're an awful black-and-white bunch, in the case of many. It's all or nothing; the government is the bad guy and in danger of destroying us, or whatever, and every SINGLE thing is immediately grasped as a conspiracy by some, there is no concept it might NOT be. We speak in very extreme terms on almost every issue, even leaving aside the personal attacks.
Says more about "Firefly" to me than it does about Joss, which is interesting in what a number of people are attracted to about it. Would be interesting to see profiles of each of us--especially those who see thing in every black-and-white terms (not counting those who are already off the deep end). But then, that would probably be viewed as a conspiracy...or an effort to enslave any opposition...or a conspiracy to enslave any opposition...
In my opinion, Maddow also made another good point; if there is NO conscription on the owning of weapons because we might have to overthrow the government, then it should be legal for all of us to own tanks, and everything up to and including nuclear weapons. Like I said, black-and-white, and it's all in where you draw the line. Me, I'd draw it at 30-round clips and some automatic weapons. They'd be useless against an armed government put-down and otherwise are only good for mass murder. Strangely, I think we managed to survive the restrictions against those clips for several years...
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