Here it is the libs are coming after our guns
POSTED BY: kaneman
UPDATED: Saturday, February 19, 2011 15:04
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Niki. Just because you wouldn't fight doesn't mean there are not any who would.
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To respond to your post Wulf, just on my own behalf:
The guy got the gun obviously because there are holes in laws, in enforcement, and even if they were perfect, it's a simple matter to get a gun illegally. That's true of any state, whatever gun laws they might have.
I'm not in favor of limiting gun ownership any more than it is "limited" now, because I recognize that people can get guns, legally or otherwise, easily in this country. It's too late to limit gun ownership.
I am in favor of banning some of the more egregous examples of guns that have no purpose whatsoever besides large-scale violence; there is in my opinion no cause for the more aggressive automatic weapons, as I don't view them as particularly more effective for self-defense than other automatic weapons.
I am in favor of limiting the sale of high-volume magazines, as all they are useful for is mass slaughter. If they weren't allowed to be sold, there would be fewer of them, period. Sure, they'd probably be around on the black market, but that's a fact of life with anything. Nonethelss, they would be harder to obtain.
I don't see them being useful for self-defense; if someone's coming after you with a high-volume magazine in an automatic weapon, your chances of "fighting back", however many bullets available, are pathetic. I know you'll disagree with that, but we live in different worlds (and I mean that insofar as fantasy of heroes and villains versus reality).
That's my response to your question.
Oops, I was typing as you posted. Where exactly did I say I wouldn't fight? You'll have to point that out to me, because it's not true, so I don't see where you could have gotten that idea.
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"I don't see them being useful for self-defense; if someone's coming after you with a high-volume magazine in an automatic weapon, your chances of "fighting back", however many bullets available, are pathetic. I know you'll disagree with that, but we live in different worlds (and I mean that insofar as fantasy of heroes and villains versus reality)."
Hello,
I found this statement curious. It seems to indicate that a a high-volume magazine is useful for an attacker, but not a defender.
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"But if the Fed were to begin printing an endless stream of currency it would lead to devaluation and runaway inflation."
Hello,
This is correct, and it is conspicuously absent from your prognostications of disaster. I'm curious as to why, since it is the most obvious path the government would take.
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I would argue that ANY limit (up to chemical, biological, nuclear weapon) on weapons is a violation of our civil liberties, is also a violation of our Constitutionally-protected (and needed) right of self-defense against ALL enimies (foreign and domestice) who wish to do the citizens of America harm.
ALLOW me to have an Ak-47. And, besides target shooting, I most likely would never fire it.
HOWEVER, should it be needed, in defense of my home, or in defense of my state, I would HAVE it to use.
Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.
More than likely, I would never need to use it, but its that "what-if" that always plays.
Have we so quickly forgotten Katrina? The LA Riots?
Our right to self-defense, and our responsibility to civil-defense, is absolute.
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Originally posted by canttakesky:Quote:I HAVE lived in REAL tyranny, the kind where there is only 1 newspaper in the country, and people disappear if they say ANYTHING against the govt, even privately. The kind where there exists no political opposition and no hope for political change, short of the death of the autocrat.
Originally posted by Niki2:
Mostly I suppose I just think it's silly--when you contrast America with REAL tyranny,....
It is my opinion that America is approaching the REAL tyranny in these countries. It's not there right now, no. But it is heading in that direction.
I know people who have been to prison. Here I am, a middle class non-colored American who is as law abiding as they come. Yet I know people, middle class acquaintances and friends, who have served time in prison. This is not normal. This is not right in a free society.
What did these folks get prison time for?
I honestly think your past - I mean holy shite you lived in 4 of these places - has completely and understandably made you a bit hyper when it comes to this subject.
If you need any consoling just turn on the television and start listing all the sponsors. These people make way too much money with a happy populace and a stable government to ever let it get run over. Other countries are not like that, the countries you lived in were not like that.
I'm also curious - what would constitute tyranny in your opinion? Work camps? I saw the "one newspaper" reference, what others? I have no clue when people talk about Tyranny what they mean or if they are being purposely obscure because they don't really know themselves.
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That was my point. An attacker knows what he’s going into, plans and I would assume has some experience with the weapon. A defender is usually not prepared for the attack, may have little experience (if any when it comes to shooting humans), and can only react. As shown by the guy with the gun in Tucson, just having a gun isn’t enough. Ergo, in my opinion, if both attacker and defender have high-volume magazines, the odds are with the attacker, and since anyone can get such magazines very easily, they aren’t effective as a defensive weapon. If they were unavailable legally, certainly they would still exist, but if you can’t do it with 15 bullets in your gun, I see no reason for anyone except someone who wants to kill a LOT of people quickly to be able to attain magazines with more. If there were less bullets in the gun, an attacker could still carry around several magazines, but the time it would take him to reload would at least give an opportunity for someone to take him down. That’s my reasoning.
a high-volume magazine is useful for an attacker, but not a defender.
Wulf, I don’t know if an AK-47 is one of the weapons I’m thinking of, so I can’t answer that. But as to Quote:
How would one of the most extreme weapons and high-volume magazines have been any better than a less aggressive automatic weapon and lower-volume magazine make any difference? I know your world is all or nothing; mine is more complex, with more nuances, simple athat.
Have we so quickly forgotten Katrina? The LA Riots?
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Oh, well said and some good, previously unnoticed, points Pizmo. We don't hear enough from you, dammit, I wish we heard your voice more.
If you need any consoling just turn on the television and start listing all the sponsors. These people make way too much money with a happy populace and a stable government to ever let it get run over. Other countries are not like that, the countries you lived in were not like that.
I'm also curious - what would constitute tyranny in your opinion? Work camps? I saw the "one newspaper" reference, what others? I have no clue when people talk about Tyranny what they mean or if they are being purposely obscure because they don't really know themselves.
Personally, I don’t think CTTS is “hyper”, I think she’s comparing her experiences and knowledge to a place which is different enough for them to be less pertinent than she realizes, that’s all. Tyranny is certainly possible anywhere, even maybe in a country as big and diverse as the US, but I think applying the example of Germany or Peru, or other places she has experienced, doesn’t work.
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"How would one of the most extreme weapons and high-volume magazines have been any better than a less aggressive automatic weapon and lower-volume magazine make any difference? I know your world is all or nothing; mine is more complex, with more nuances, simple athat."
1. Katrina. When the waters rose, the first act of the state government was to confiscate all weapons.
Then, they put all the people in the Terror Dome.
2. The LA Riots. When they happened, the homes and businesses which were not robbed or burned were in chinatown (or koreaville not sure which). Why? The owners all packed heat. They shot at looters who crossed into their territory.
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Also.
If in doubt, just read the Constitution.
Sometimes the system works as it should, as it was meant to.
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