Here it is the libs are coming after our guns
POSTED BY: kaneman
UPDATED: Saturday, February 19, 2011 15:04
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Whatever. Everyone understood what I was saying.
Strikes me how funny it is, people about their guns. The title of this thread says it all; any tiny thing, and omigawd, the liberals are coming after our guns!!!! 
We're all gonna DIE! They're gonna GET US! 
...have to pry 'em out of my cold, dead hands... 
The recent run on those magazines in gun shops is a perfect example...ANYTHING happens with regard to guns, and the gun bunnies freak out. Funny.
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Hello,
Try to imagine that unlimited marijuana use had recently been made legal after years of prohibition.
Everyone interested in using the herb rejoiced.
But, from time to time, something happens that empowers the anti-weed lobby. Maybe someone high on marijuana commits a crime, or runs someone over. There is talk about limiting sales of the herb, so that you can no longer get as much of it as you'd like.
At those times, people fearful of future prohibitions might buy up a lot of marijuana at the local outlet. So that there's extra on hand to counteract the future constriction on supply.
In other words, there's no sponge like the Today sponge.
Everyone has something they enjoy that they'd prefer not to do without.
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Originally posted by Niki2:
Whatever. Everyone understood what I was saying.
Not arguing against your opinion. Just correcting the terminology. You present a better case that way.
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Strikes me how funny it is, people about their guns. The title of this thread says it all; any tiny thing, and omigawd, the liberals are coming after our guns!!!!
...have to pry 'em out of my cold, dead hands...
The recent run on those magazines in gun shops is a perfect example...ANYTHING happens with regard to guns, and the gun bunnies freak out. Funny.
Same can be said of the liberals, nanny staters or the label of your choice. Any one incident and omigawd, guns are evawl!!!!
We're all gonna DIE! They're gonna GET US! You forgot about the run on guns and ammo when 0b0m0 got in office. Of course I am counting on that panic buying. Sooner or later those guns, magazines and ammunition will hit the market for resale. Patience can turn a profit.
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I'm still curious as to when Peter King (R-NY) became a "lib". After all, he's the one who proposed making it a crime to carry a firearm within 1000' of a government official. Seems pretty broad and overarching to me.
Meanwhile, that great "socialist" Obama signed such offensive, draconian, knee-jerk laws as the one that allows Americans to carry firearms in our national parks.
Damned dirty liberal! There he goes again, trying to take our guns. Trying to take them to a nice day at the park, it seems...
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Originally posted by Hardware:
1934. FDR. Progressive president. Founder of numerous entitlement programs. Supporter of the NFA. 2011-1934=77 years. Nearly 80 years.
1938 Federal Firearms Act
1968 Gun Control Act (interesting, modeled after Nazi Germany's 1938 Law on Weapons by Senator Thomas Dodd. http://jpfo.org/common-sense/cs34.htm )
1972 Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms created
1986 Law Enforcement Officer's Protection Act
1990 Crime Control Act
1994 Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act
All these laws, at a Federal Level, and can you honestly say the streets are safer than they were in 1937?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the ones in '72, '86, and '90 signed by GOP Presidents? Not too often do I hear names like Nixon, Reagan, and Bush bandied about as "progressives" with the likes of FDR and Clinton, but thanks for confirming that there really are no conservatives anymore.
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The men and women in our military, cia, local law would not turn guns on us.
Excellent - and this is exactly my point
Why then do you need guns to bring down the government, why can't you do it peacefully? Think of tyrannical regimes that have quelled non-violent mass protests - Iran, Zimbabwe are two recent examples. The government succeeded by turning the state security services on the people: violently breaking up the protests, rounding up the leaders and beating/imprisoning them. You say this wouldn't happen in America, and I agree! So what's the role for guns then? If anything they give an excuse to the security services to be heavy-handed, and a license for a tyrannical government to be tyrannical...This is why I say I find a scenario where armed resistance is required hard to conjure. It would have to be a tyrannical government that somehow still had loyal (or at least 'firm') control of the security services.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Originally posted by kaneman:
The men and women in our military, cia, local law would not turn guns on us. In fact a large majority would fight with their neighbors and family against their employer. We Americans have an extremly high internal value on freedom and nationalism...especially when threatened. Most people I know in the military have already said that their first responsibility is to the constitution and families and view their military lives as a job. Would you kill your neighbors and friends if your boss asked? Shit we had guys in Nam kill their superiors all the time, because they didn't like the orders. This is true for congressmen, police, cia, etc.....
I disagree, bitterly.
Firstoff, ever since those infamous surveys and a pathetic but still sufficient resistance to the idea of shooting civvies for not handing over their guns, military training and conditioning has been enhanced and altered to solve that little problem - they WILL do it, absolutely and without question, tell me, did even ONE SINGLE MEMBER of the 82nd Airborne ground arms and refuse to confiscate arms during that mess in New Orleans, even ONE ?
No, they did not - and most of the folks they're training for "Homeland Security" are conditioned to see us as commie-librul terror-symps and so on and so forth, all but waiting the day they get to put us in our place, shit man, they're currently training for domestic civil unrest suppression, house to house work and mass incarceration, or have you not been LISTENING to me alluding to our surveillence and harrassment of such activities here in MI - since one of them damn camps, Grayling, is located up here, they even have specially designed armor units just for this purpose.
And remember all those cops who said they'd never, ever, ever help suppress the populace, who then went RUNNING down there for the extra bonus and overtime, and not only did it, but gleefully ?
The same guys you see talking such a good game, and then see later clubbing protestors with an obvious hard on and a BIG smile on their face ?
Shit man, you'd think TSA would have a hard time finding pyschos willing to feel people up at the airport, right - but our society breeds jackboot lickers and authoritarian nutters like fucking rabbits, man, only recently have we seen ANY progress in stemming the tide.
A very LARGE percentage of these goons, especially the alphabet boys, would practically come in their pants at the notion of being ALLOWED to slaughter americans who didn't toe the line, got that "Oh yeah, NOW we'll show em, hoo-rah!" fuckin attitude, and every single one of you knows it, but just doesn't wanna believe it....
Because you KNOW, you would have to kill them, and that is something you really do not wanna talk about, think about, that you would have to slaughter your own countrymen too, who found the jackboot a better fit that freedom and got off on the power it gave em - and on top of that some percentage of em will get away, slither under a rock and pray for forgiveness and short memories...
Only to slither out once again when the opportunity presents itself, as it will, history is unforgiving about that.
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Jackals: "Finally, we have a strong leader ready to put those malcontents in their places! Where do I sign up?!"
Jackals are like Lemmings and Snakes: they eagerly collaborate with the villain because they think his campaign of terror and genocide are just causes. Whether it's out of hate, fanaticism, or ignorance, they prefer the villain's despotism to a more benevolent regime. Usually they're harmless once the villain is dethroned: their prejudice comes out only when the bad guys are in power.
Look anywhere in our society there is an official uniform, and odds are you'll find packs of jackals underneath em, many of em.
And how to you plan to DEAL with that, I ask you ?
Cause nobody seems to LIKE *my* answer.
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
The men and women in our military, cia, local law would not turn guns on us. In fact a large majority would fight with their neighbors and family against their employer. We Americans have an extremly high internal value on freedom and nationalism...especially when threatened. Most people I know in the military have already said that their first responsibility is to the constitution and families and view their military lives as a job. Would you kill your neighbors and friends if your boss asked? Shit we had guys in Nam kill their superiors all the time, because they didn't like the orders. This is true for congressmen, police, cia, etc.....
I disagree, bitterly.
Firstoff, ever since those infamous surveys and a pathetic but still sufficient resistance to the idea of shooting civvies for not handing over their guns, military training and conditioning has been enhanced and altered to solve that little problem - they WILL do it, absolutely and without question, tell me, did even ONE SINGLE MEMBER of the 82nd Airborne ground arms and refuse to confiscate arms during that mess in New Orleans, even ONE ?
No, they did not - and most of the folks they're training for "Homeland Security" are conditioned to see us as commie-librul terror-symps and so on and so forth, all but waiting the day they get to put us in our place, shit man, they're currently training for domestic civil unrest suppression, house to house work and mass incarceration, or have you not been LISTENING to me alluding to our surveillence and harrassment of such activities here in MI - since one of them damn camps, Grayling, is located up here, they even have specially designed armor units just for this purpose.
And remember all those cops who said they'd never, ever, ever help suppress the populace, who then went RUNNING down there for the extra bonus and overtime, and not only did it, but gleefully ?
The same guys you see talking such a good game, and then see later clubbing protestors with an obvious hard on and a BIG smile on their face ?
Shit man, you'd think TSA would have a hard time finding pyschos willing to feel people up at the airport, right - but our society breeds jackboot lickers and authoritarian nutters like fucking rabbits, man, only recently have we seen ANY progress in stemming the tide.
A very LARGE percentage of these goons, especially the alphabet boys, would practically come in their pants at the notion of being ALLOWED to slaughter americans who didn't toe the line, got that "Oh yeah, NOW we'll show em, hoo-rah!" fuckin attitude, and every single one of you knows it, but just doesn't wanna believe it....
Because you KNOW, you would have to kill them, and that is something you really do not wanna talk about, think about, that you would have to slaughter your own countrymen too, who found the jackboot a better fit that freedom and got off on the power it gave em - and on top of that some percentage of em will get away, slither under a rock and pray for forgiveness and short memories...
Only to slither out once again when the opportunity presents itself, as it will, history is unforgiving about that.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DyingLikeAnimalsQuote:
Jackals: "Finally, we have a strong leader ready to put those malcontents in their places! Where do I sign up?!"
Jackals are like Lemmings and Snakes: they eagerly collaborate with the villain because they think his campaign of terror and genocide are just causes. Whether it's out of hate, fanaticism, or ignorance, they prefer the villain's despotism to a more benevolent regime. Usually they're harmless once the villain is dethroned: their prejudice comes out only when the bad guys are in power.
Look anywhere in our society there is an official uniform, and odds are you'll find packs of jackals underneath em, many of em.
And how to you plan to DEAL with that, I ask you ?
Cause nobody seems to LIKE *my* answer.
-Frem
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Originally posted by Hardware:
1934. FDR. Progressive president. Founder of numerous entitlement programs. Supporter of the NFA. 2011-1934=77 years. Nearly 80 years.
1938 Federal Firearms Act
1968 Gun Control Act (interesting, modeled after Nazi Germany's 1938 Law on Weapons by Senator Thomas Dodd. http://jpfo.org/common-sense/cs34.htm )
1972 Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms created
1986 Law Enforcement Officer's Protection Act
1990 Crime Control Act
1994 Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act
All these laws, at a Federal Level, and can you honestly say the streets are safer than they were in 1937?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the ones in '72, '86, and '90 signed by GOP Presidents? Not too often do I hear names like Nixon, Reagan, and Bush bandied about as "progressives" with the likes of FDR and Clinton, but thanks for confirming that there really are no conservatives anymore.
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Oh absolutely, and the worst of the bunch? Reagan. The 1986 law he signed in created a de facto ban on new machine guns. You see, it created a machine gun registry. No new machine gun receivers (the part the ATF considers the actual gun) could be created without being entered into the registry. Of course the registry has never been funded and this has artificially raised the cost of machine guns, since demand now outstrips supply.
It was a poison pill provision slipped into a piece of legislature that Reagan wanted. Just like that carry in national parks law that 0b0m0 signed into law. It was a poison pill provision slipped into a piece of legislation that 0 wanted.
You see, Thomas Jefferson said that the beauty of the 2nd amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it away. Food for thought, that.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Case in point, our own Wulfie here, who CLAIMS to stand for the Constitution and all those warm and fuzzies like "liberty" and "honor" of which he knows absolutely nothing but what's been presented to him via vidscreen... yet when given half a chance and half a voice, he'll GLADLY round up all those "enemies", all those "libs/progs", all those "hippies" he hates so much, all those people who are merely following THEIR OWN VERSION OF WHAT HE CALLS "LIBERTY" - he'd round them up, deport them, grind them under his heel, smash his boot into their face, stomp their faces into the curb, all for having the temerity to not follow HIS particular beliefs.
And he has said this more than a few times here. Make no mistake, this is EXACTLY what his kind are after, and Kane as well.
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see that is what would worry me about having a large population armed to the teeth with a philosophy of rising up against 'tyranny', especially given the recent hyperbole of the right who currently see health care reforms, all taxation, all government funded services as being a direct threat to their tyranny. That and talk about '2nd amendment solutions'. If you had enough people who actually believed all of this, then you could easily find yourself in a civil war situation, especially given the polarised debate that exists in the US. That would frighten me quite a bit. A lot of extremists marching on washington who don't like government policy and are in a state of mind to kill fellow countrymen. That's scary shit.
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