Here it is the libs are coming after our guns

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CANTTAKESKY

Friday, January 14, 2011 2:42 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
http://reason.com/archives/2010/01/26/the-forfeiture-racket

Oh. My. God.

I'm seeing red. It's a good thing I am a pacifist. And that I don't live in that country anymore.

Can't Take (my gorram) Sky
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Everything I say is just my opinion, not fact.

HARDWARE

Friday, January 14, 2011 3:22 PM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

A murderer using frangible bullets might get around that problem. It's all a matter of technology.

No intact bullet. No shell casing. No noise. Plus you have the ability to engage your target at range.

The frangible bullet issue is correct. However, frangible bullets are not a sure thing. They can be stopped by heavy clothing. When they do impact flesh they create massive wound channels and cause a lot of bleeding in a really messy, relatively shallow wound. Head hits are... ghastly.

However, the shell casing remains intact. The bullet and the casing are two separate components of the round. Firing pin imprint, and in the case of a semi-automatic, the extractor claw, will indelibly mark a case.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

HARDWARE

Friday, January 14, 2011 3:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
And some large, seedy looking fellow comes up to you and asks "You flush man ? You got cash on ya, how much ?"

Ok, clarification, for those unfamiliar with american law enforcement...

They DO ask this question, usually phrased as "Are you carrying large sums of cash on your person or in your vehicle, sir?" - as a prelude to then seizing that money under the thin fiction that it's drug money via asset forfeiture laws, which are terribly abused by most departments as an official form of theft/extortion/tribute.
http://reason.com/archives/2010/01/26/the-forfeiture-racket

In fact, the wayne county PD did this over the holiday season, declaring the parking lots of walmarts a "known drug trafficking zone" then jumping folk en route to do holiday shopping and seizing their money - bastards were completely unashamed and unrepentant about it too, even going so far as to jokingly call it "Holiday Shopping" - heaven knows how many families had their Xmas ruined that way.

Mind you, I am still really, REALLY pissed about that, especially in light of mayor Bing firing op public safety and fire department officials for revealing that the police have sucked up so much of the public safety budget that the EMT and Fire Departments can no longer even respond effectively.
http://detnews.com/article/20100916/METRO08/9160409/Paramedics-fear-th
ey-re-losing-the-battle-to-save-lives
(Worth a note, even the two EMTs who spoke up were retaliated against.)
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/7339075-two-medics-exposed-d
etroit-ems-suspended-city-council-wants-to-know-why

Anyhows, comes down to this...

End of the day, does it really MATTER that the person who threatened you with a gun and took your money was wearing a badge or not ?

Detroit is close to being a failed city. The remaining residents are those who have NO hope and NO way out. The political class is only interested in lining their pockets. There are many photo essays of the abandoned and devastated Detroit public buildings. They can practically rename it New Mogadishu.

The whole area should be forcibly evacuated and used as a live-fire MOUT zone by the military. You know you are in a bad place when napalm airstrikes would improve the place.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

HARDWARE

Friday, January 14, 2011 3:40 PM

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
http://reason.com/archives/2010/01/26/the-forfeiture-racket
Oh. My. God.

I'm seeing red. It's a good thing I am a pacifist. And that I don't live in that country anymore.

I once drove from the east coastline to Ohio to pick up a classic Chevy pickup my brother had won in an E-bay auction. He and the owner decided that the easiest way to handle the transaction was in cash. A friend and I drove a car trailer from Philadelphia to Ohio, practically to Indiana. I carried over $10,000 in cash. Being aware of the forfeiture racket, I checked the laws of the states we would be driving through and decided that even though I would be in technical violation of the law, I would bring a handgun in a portable safe and the cash would also be in the safe. The safe in question locked with a combination. I know that was nowhere near a guarantee, but it was extra insurance. This was definitely a case of it being "better to beg forgiveness than ask for permission."

Nothing happened, but I didn't know that going in and it is no guarantee of it not happening in the future. Rural areas are easier to travel through, and less likely to encounter trouble and that was where our path took us, for the most part. However, crooked governments exist even in rural areas. It is better to look inconspicuous. Not so easy to do with out of state tags, but a pickup towing a U-haul trailer is pretty non-descript.

The mere fact that I had to think of these things is a sad commentary on how far American culture has fallen.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

ANTHONYT

Friday, January 14, 2011 3:52 PM

"However, the shell casing remains intact. The bullet and the casing are two separate components of the round. Firing pin imprint, and in the case of a semi-automatic, the extractor claw, will indelibly mark a case."

Hello,

You've forgotten that there is no shell casing.

We are speaking of a silenced revolver, which does not eject shell-casings onto the scene.

Unless you imagine our murderer to empty his shells onto the dead body to make the job of the police easier? That would be like our imagined murderer leaving his knife at the scene of the crime, replete with fingerprints.

--Anthony

Assured by friends that the signal-to-noise ratio has improved on this forum, I have disabled web filtering.

DREAMTROVE

Friday, January 14, 2011 4:50 PM

CTS

Yes, here at the local college some students started following campus security because kncidents seemed to crop up. The confiscated everything from students rooms, money, drugs, flat screen TVs. They also said that an alarming number of campus rapes were coming from campus cops who drove around offering students rides to be their "security escort."

I was at a beach and kids were talking to the head lifeguard. There were six lifeguards. They asked how many rescues he'd done seen in his seven years on the job, he said none. We call it a rescue if we yell at someone for going over the line, but its bogus. Sometimes kids sneak in after dark and drink, some kid drowned that way, another kid broke his neck in the light of day diving in to the sand, not realizing that we had poured concrete under the sand...

I think when you put someone in charge of safety and security: no problems get solved, but new ones get created. A while ago I saw a profile on serial killers. Apparently, statistically, the police never catch these guys, not because they're brilliant, the avg, iq is like 85 for a serial killer. Its just that no one is trying.

ANTHONYT

Friday, January 14, 2011 5:01 PM

Hello,

The average IQ is 85 for a serial killer?

That's surprising.

--Anthony

Assured by friends that the signal-to-noise ratio has improved on this forum, I have disabled web filtering.

CANTTAKESKY

Friday, January 14, 2011 5:55 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Its just that no one is trying.

They are too busy giving tickets to kids in school and robbing people who carry cash.

Can't Take (my gorram) Sky
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Everything I say is just my opinion, not fact.

CANTTAKESKY

Friday, January 14, 2011 6:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
The average IQ is 85 for a serial killer?

That's surprising.

To me as well. I found this:

http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Serial%20Killer%20Information%20Center/
Serial%20Killer%20IQ.htm

Quote:

We were able to obtain IQ information on 107 serial killers

► When taken as a whole, serial killers appear to be of normal IQ
● Median = 100, Mean = 101
● Low was 57 (Simon Pirela)
● High was 165 (Theodore Kaczynski)
- A second IQ testing put him at 155

► As expected, IQ varied by the type of serial killer
● Raped victim
Yes: Mean IQ = 98.8
No: Mean IQ = 105.0

● Method of killing
Hands (strangle, stab): Mean IQ = 100.3
Shoot: Mean IQ = 101.5
Bomb: Mean IQ = 138

● Organized versus disorganized
Organized: Mean IQ = 123.2
Disorganized: Mean IQ = 93.5
Mixed: Mean IQ = 107.6

From this study, other than the Teds, who probably skewed the whole sample (esp Ted K), it looks like serial killers are just like everyone else: average.

In other words, there isn't really any reason why cops aren't out there catching them--other than they are too busy doing goon work.

Can't Take (my gorram) Sky
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Everything I say is just my opinion, not fact.

WULFENSTAR

Friday, January 14, 2011 6:14 PM

This is what I mean when I talk about relying too much on others.

Cops can't save you.

Laws won't prevent a determined person.

Politicians won't pay for your house, your car, or your gas.

Teachers won't raise your kids.

At some point, for me it was early, you grow up and learn about the word "responsibility".

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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