'...I'm Batman.'
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 21:48
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Okay, now I just watched Batman (Keaton), and I watched Batman Begins the other week. Man, I am SO split on which I like better...
Batman has:
A peerless Joker performance, IMO.
A cool Batmobile.
A hot love interest.
Great fight scenes.
A visually interesting & goth Gotham, and fascinating production design in general.
Funny jokes.
An excellent Elfman score.
A twisted mentality.
Drawbacks:
Some cheesy FX, rushed & thin storyline (writer's strike).
Batman Begins has:
Lush photography.
An excellent Zimmer score.
A cool Batmobile chase.
Insane fight scenes.
A super-serious tone.
Gary Oldman.
Morgan Freeman.
Michael Caine.
Drawbacks:
CGI sometimes makes me sleepy, Bale's Wayne performance can be rather unsympathetic compared to Keaton's (or Clooney's).
Seriously, I like both these movies so much, if I had to choose only ONE, I'd be lost.
Got Opinion? 
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Christian Bale is the only actor so far who could pull of the characters of both Batman and Bruce Wayne. Keaton was a pretty good Batman, but not a great Bruce Wayne.
The batmobile tank kicked ass. The new suit kicked ass. The origin of all his equipment in general kicked ass.
Ninjas.
There really isn't much comparison. Batman Begins is my favorite all-time Batman movie. Quite possibly my favorite comic hero movie ever.
Just because something can't be explained doesn't mean it becomes yours.
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I enjoyed the first Batman movie, but I love the new ones with Christian Bale. He makes such a perfect Batman, and I can't wait for the next movie to come out.
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I'm a Nolanverse fan. Keaton's Batman was just a chunk of 90s-era Grimdark put on screen (seriously, Batman using machine guns? Killing people? It was practically a Frank Miller story, without the whores). I'll grant that the Nolanverse isn't perfect, but it's better than what we've had, and Bale's performance makes sense as a Batman at the very beginning of his career, before he's become the omni-competent master crimefighter everyone is already familiar with.
The Nolanverse is the first version of Batman that really took the concept seriously and not as a cartoon stereotype.
Rather than just throwing the concept out there, Nolan used the domino principle to justify Batman. You can almost imagine Nolan's Batman existing in the real world, where none of the previous versions could function outside of their particular little charicatures of what the director(s) thought a comic book should have been.
I tend to feel that one of the things that defines a good superhero is how close they are to reality. Really, if you go far enough in the other direction, they just turn into sci-fi, fantasy, or a dream sequence. It becomes an ungrounded exercise in wish-fulfillment, rather than a story about a hero pushed to extremes.
The one thing I will give Keaton credit for is cementing the idea that Batman wears armour (because bad guys have guns).
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Quote:I Bat-beg to differ. It depends entirely whether you're throwing on a Bat-movie for laffs (Batman & Robin), sheer spectacle (Batman), or psychological depth (Batman Begins).
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
There really isn't much comparison.
Quote:I can easily see why it's your favourite Bat-movie, but Superman: The Movie will always be my favourite Superhero flick. Iron Man, Batman Begins & Batman come real close, though.
Batman Begins is my favorite all-time Batman movie. Quite possibly my favorite comic hero movie ever.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Nope, sorry Chris, Batman Begins has spectacle and depth and great acting and a great story. Beg to differ all you want, there still isn't any comparison.
Just because something can't be explained doesn't mean it becomes yours.
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Quote:Sorry, no. Not for me. Batman STILL hasn't been done entirely right IMO. Nolan did great, but real world? Nah. Close, but no fat lady singing.
Originally posted by Cybersnark:
The Nolanverse is the first version of Batman that really took the concept seriously and not as a cartoon stereotype.
You can almost imagine Nolan's Batman existing in the real world, where none of the previous versions could function outside of their particular little caricatures
The laughing Chrisisall
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Quote:So, pizza has no comparison to Atlantic Salmon. I did not know that.
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Nope, sorry Chris, Batman Begins has spectacle and depth and great acting and a great story. Beg to differ all you want, there still isn't any comparison.
The laughing Chrisisall
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I'm comparing Batman movies to Batman movies, not pizza and fish. And yeah, pizza with toppings is better than melted cheese on crust 
By the way, Heath Ledger was crazy awesome
Just because something can't be explained doesn't mean it becomes yours.
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Quote:I've liked Batmans, and I've liked Waynes, but they still have never cast an actor that can handle BOTH *perfectly* IMO.
Originally posted by ChaosMandy:
I enjoyed the first Batman movie, but I love the new ones with Christian Bale. He makes such a perfect Batman, and I can't wait for the next movie to come out.
Give me Ryan McPartlin or Josh Brolin OR a NEW face along the lines of a young Christopher Reeve, and I'd be totally happy.
The laughing Chrisisall
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