'...I'm Batman.'
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 21:48
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Please Nolan, PICK ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are we real or are we fantasy????
Helloooo!!! This is the problem with all current films/tv. You add too much realism, and it spoils the fantasy element. Made this comparison before but it speaks volumes. Batman Begins Batman drops a thug from about 25 feet breaking both his legs. Fine. TDK BAtman, and girl free fall from the top of a 20 story building crash on top of a car flattening it...get up brush themselves off, and walk away. Fantasy or reality. Pick One.
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Originally posted by Storymark:
I can't even take you seriously on the subject now.
Because he has a valid point, or because you don't have an answer?
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Quote:Same here. I own Batman Begins. Hell, I even have a Hot Wheels tumbler.
Originally posted by OPPYH:
Helloooo!!! This is the problem with all current films/tv. You add too much realism, and it spoils the fantasy element.
I liked Batman Begins. TDK was a little hard to swallow for me.
It's just that trying to nail a character like Batman to reality doesn't work perfectly for me (Superman either, for that matter). Burton's take on Batman was to twist it a little, create a reality that can support that kind of near-psychosis. Schumacher achieved this with a(n un)healthy dose of 60's goofballisms. Nolan *sort of* created a supportive working environment, but it all sort of collapses for me when I see things like Wayne almost dying on his way to the secret hidden fortress, yet living after a multiple-story fall (on fire) off a building. That's all I'm sayin', be REAL, or be FANTASY. Fantasy can have real elements to it, but they must be CONSISTENT.
A totally realistic take on Batman would be that he's as much a NUT as any of his arch-villains.
OR, that he remains low key, striking at the criminals from within their conclaves of evil, never quite taking center stage, yet his cumulative effects upon them make their effectiveness crumble like sandcastles in the oncoming high tide.
Fight scenes & roaring car chases? Comic book stuff. And actually, that's the way I like my comic book stuff. All comic-book-y.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Okay, they're both wearing white facepaint. And? Nicholson also wore white facepaint for his role as the Joker, does that mean anything? They're both slightly hunched over in those particular images. And? On film, their body language was very different. Brandon Lee was a rather graceful man, I don't remember him spending a lot of time hunched over. Ledger, I think, did a lot of it, making it far more striking when he moved swiftly and killed people with pencils. I also don't recall Lee being particularly jovial about death. I remember a great deal of angry angst. Perhaps my memory is faulty. It's been some time since I've seen it; can you tell me where he was jovial?
Facts are stubborn things.
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Originally posted by LiLi:
It took you guys this long to not take him seriously on this? Hell, he lost me right off, when he said Ledger was aping Lee.
Nah, I was already long past there on that topic.
I went 'round with Chris on that point before. Calling the performances the same is facile and simplistic at best. I've broken down many of the very diverse characteristics that separate the performances, but to Chris it boils down to "Nuh-uh, their make-up is similar, and they both speak quietly AND raise their voices".
So no, I didn't read past the first post with any seriousness.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by OPPYH:Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
I can't even take you seriously on the subject now.
Because he has a valid point, or because you don't have an answer?
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That'd be option 3 - because I think he's point is so ludicrous it's not worth discussion.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by LiLi:
It's been some time since I've seen it; can you tell me where he was jovial?
The laughing Chrisisall
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Quote:I suddenly feel like I've lost all my credibility....
Originally posted by Storymark:
That'd be option 3 - because I think he's point is so ludicrous it's not worth discussion.
The laughing Chrisisall
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