More 'religion of peace' news

POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Sunday, May 3, 2026 22:51
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You claim that I'M part of the problem ? You're IGNORING the problem is what's making it worse. Not me acknowledging it.

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Nobody's ignoring the problem - we're disagreeing over the main causes of this modern phenomenon of Islamic terrorism.

I'm quite in the middle on this: I think that Islam as a religion has a serious problem, and that it lends itself to violence and political repression more readily and more aggressively than other religions. Having said that, muslims are human beings just like the rest of us, many of them are good and noble and will seek to emphasise the more peaceful and benevolent parts of their faith (which exist in Islam as all the major religions). And looking through history there have been times when these moderate elements have prevailed, and Islamic culture has been quite progressive, civilised and tolerant (e.g Cordoba). In this respect I agree with the socio-economic explanations for Islam's current violent and radical streak - and I see increased prosperity in Muslim countries as one of the hopes for the situation improving (as well as future withdrawals of troops from Muslim countries, a middle east peace agreement, and diffusion of tensions with sustained peace over time).

Meanwhile your solution Auraptor is...? Stoke up fear, suspicion and intolerance... for what? So that the world will 'come around' to your neocon positions of unequivocal support for Israel and hostility towards muslim nations? As if these policies make the situation better?

You have no solution to the problem, Auraptor, and an unwillingness/inability to appreciate the complexities and therefore fully understand the problem yourself - so yes, you and people like you are in my view part of the problem. That's why I argue with your kind most on this issue, even though I'm in the middle.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Coming into this cold since I was lsat here, once again I see the futility of it. No matter what facts are presented, the same arguments are offered again and again "X only did it once; Y has done it many times", "you apologists", name calling and back-and-forthing.

Why don't we just admit there's no getting through to them and move on to more productive things? One thing is very clear:
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Those trying to bring perspective to the discussio have NEVER said they support Muslim terrorism. They have made an effort to understand its roots, show that all religions can be used for evil, and tried to separate "Islam" from "terrorism" with facts and examples. At the same time, not ONCE has anyone "excused" acts of violence or terrorism, and said quite clearly they abhor same.

The anti-Muslims among us, however, never give an inch that Muslims might be human beings in the majority, that Islam is anything but a religion of hate and violence, and have consistently made over-the-top claims about libs and about people being "warm and fuzzy" toward terrorists. No response is given to refutations of claimed "facts" presented, and nowhere is recognition that the vast majority of Muslims aren't terrorists. They speak of little but violence against Muslims and Islam, and violence/hate come easily and quickly to them.
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Does that not paint the entire picture? Aside from a few on the fence, that is the sum total of this "debate", which isn't one anyway because facts have been offered and plainly ignored or rejected, never refuted, or the "tit for tat" has gone on of how much "more" or "less" the two religions have been violent.

Links have been posted; one of which outright lied by saying the Qu'ran preaches that Muslims can lie to gain their end, when in fact, the "lie" they talking about can only be used to hide their faith in the face of persecution. No reply was given whatsoever when I posted that, or refuted anything else which was offered by way of facts.

I know numerous peaceful Muslims; three down at the cigarette store down the road. I've become friends with them, especially the younger nephew of the guy who runs the store; we talk Dari to one another and I ask him the meaning of words in Dari, and he shares some of my political beliefs; we disagree on others. But he HATES what's happened to Islam because of the terrorists and decries their ever actions. So do the other two. I know other Muslims, and not a one have I heard speak in favor of terrorism or show the slightest indication they feel anything but proud to be here and warmth toward OTHER Americans.

I can give MANY examples of moderate Muslims and peaceful Muslims, quote violence in the Bible as well as in the Qu'ran, cite Christian violence all day; it WON'T GET THROUGH. They NEED this belief they hold, for some reason, and will not give it up, no matter the facts. They are INVESTED in this picture, and no amount of perspective will make a chink in that wall.

End of story. Doesn't mean I won't post more here, just means that's the essence of the argument and it will continue this way until people tire of it and move on.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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